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*Welcome to the voting thread for the 17th TCM Programming Challenge.*


Any member of the TCM community may vote for their favorite schedule (to follow) as long as they have been a registered member since September 15, 2010 or before. Only one vote per person please. The voting period will commence now and end on 12 Midnight of Sunday, November 28th. I will announce the winner on November 29th. The winner gets to moderate the next Challenge.


This is your chance to give your vote for one of seven fantastic schedules and post comments about your favorite and the other great schedules. If you wish, you may send me a private message. That way, you can vote anonymously. I plan to tally all private message votes mid-week and at the very end. This adds to the surprise and means that all PM votes are truly anonymous.


As moderator, I will not be casting a vote unless there is a tie. I do ask that the voting thread stay positive. All seven schedules are creative, clever and fun. Kudos to Kingrat, Filmlover, Fedya, C. Bogle, Sansfin, Capuchin, and Lonesome Polecat for their hard work.


Here are the original rules to the Challenge. Schedules and notes will follow as soon as I do some reformatting.








All of the previous Challenges and this one are _not_ sponsored by TCM. The first Challenge was created by a message board poster, Path40a. Path40a wanted to find a way to let participants create a week of programming for TCM, incorporating many of the rules and restrictions employed by the real TCM programming staff.


The basic idea is to create a week's schedule for TCM, following the rules and requirements. When the Challenge is over, I will start a new thread, reposting the entrants' schedules and notes. This will be a voting thread and anyone who has registered as a member of the messages boards by September 15, 2010, may vote for his or her favorite schedule. Anyone who registers with TCM, may enter the actual Challenge, regardless of their registration date. I encourage participation from anyone who wants to try it for the first time and from those who've entered previous Challenges. But please: only one schedule per entrant.


The winner of this Challenge gets to host the 18th TCM Programming Challenge. There is no official "prize" for winning this Challenge but, as host, you set the time frame and special requirements. Many of us have been gratified to see some of our suggestions show up on TCM. We know that TCMProgrammr, from the programming staff, looks in occasionally.


Here we go!




This Challenge will run October 15, 2010 to November 21, 2010. All schedules must be posted by Midnight, November 21 PST.


There are two special components to this Challenge. I'll start with those.


Vogue has their Fall Fashion Issue and we have the Fall Fashion Challenge.

Fashion and costume design is a huge, integral element of film. Can you imagine Vivian Leigh without her curtain dress in Gone With The Wind ? Or Rita Hayworth without her strapless black satin gown in Gilda ? Even seemingly modest films are affected/influenced by fashion and costuming and what is appropriate for a character, era, etcetera. Characters that come to mind, for me, are Bette Davis's "Charlotte" in Now Voyager or Clark Gable's "Peter Warne" in It Happened One Night. The costuming helped define the characters. Hollywood films had a tremendous influence on fashion. Paris was no longer the only perpetrator of all major fashion trends. Even the above-mentioned GWTW, created a trend in hair snoods in 1939 and into the 40s.


1) You are to devote at least one evening's (minimum four films) programming to the subject of fashion, style, or fashion accessories (some may argue with me but I do not consider Winchester 73 to constitute a fashion accessory). The programming can encompass many aspects: spotlight on a designer, an era of fashion, great jewelry in film, fashion icons such as Audrey Hepburn, the fashion industry. You choose but remember that it isn't enough to have an item of apparel in the title. Any film you choose must have something to do with fashion or be a plot device. Example: Jean Arthur has a fur coat land on her head in Easy Living. This starts off an entire chain of events. Please make sure to include notes about how you came up with your programming for this part of the Challenge.


We all know that the 2011 TCM Film Festival is being planned right now (April 28-May 1). I expect that we will hear a few details within the duration of this Challenge. During the last Challenge, Kingrat included a wishlist of films in his schedule. I thought it would be fun for participants in this one to create their own "dream" film screenings or panel discussions. You may post an idea that thrills the Festival Programmers and the Head of Talent at TCM. There are many ideas that have already been posted on the Festival threads but here's one more place to post yours.


2) You are to schedule two different films for the Festival. There are no restrictions as to libraries used, as this is not part of your regular week's schedule. List the films, and any guests to be interviewed or any special aspect (ie. appearance of the Water Lillies water ballet troupe at the Neptune's Daughter poolside screening). You might want to explore the Festival link on the TCM website. You may use the following venues for your screenings: Grauman's, Egyptian, two different Mann's theatres or the Hollywood Roosevelt poolside.


OR You may create two different panel discussion groups. Create the topic (related to film) and the guest panelists. Remember that these panel discussions are held in a separate venue that has seating for about 100 people.


Please make sure that all of your guests are living at the time you post your schedule.



Your week starts at 6am ET on Sunday and ends on the following Sunday at 5:59 am ET. This means that your first film programmed begins right at 6 AM Sunday.



Each programming day begins approximately at 6am ET



One night a block of at least four films must be devoted to a Star Of The Month. Be sure the person you select has enough movies to schedule over a four week period.



All other evenings are themes of your choosing. Daytime themes are encouraged. Once you've chosen your week, check what stars were born then. Maybe it's the anniversary of a historical event, or the anniversary of a classic film's release. As programmer, you can decide!



Feature films generally start on the top, quarter, bottom, three-quarters of the hour. Primetime features start at 8pm ET. Please allow enough time on your evening schedule to allow for intros and outtros for each film.



Try not to leave more than 15 minute gaps between the end of one film and the beginning of the next, lest your audience grow bored. You are not required to but feel free to include short films, featurettes, trailers, etc. in your schedule.


If you want, you can include new interviews for Private Screenings or new documentaries from TCM Original Productions.



Please program the regular TCM features in your schedule. "Silent Sunday Nights" begins around midnight Sunday and is followed by "TCM Imports." "TCM Underground" starts about 2am ET on Friday. Those start times can be flexible. Saturday's "The Essentials" must start at 8pm ET.



Please include some notes on your schedule. We are interested to know why you picked a selection and your inspirations. These are always fun to read, and they really allow us a peek at what makes you love movies. We especially will want to know why you scheduled what you did for the "special" requirements.



This challenge will allow for 14 premieres but one may be outside any of the listed libraries.


Remember, films used for Silent Sundays, TCM Imports and TCM Underground don't count towards your premiere even if they haven't appeared on TCM in the past.


A premiere is classified as any movie not available through the core libraries (the original TCM Library- see below) which has also not been previously shown on TCM.



You have unlimited access and use of the titles in the Original Turner Library.

Films from the original TCM Library are all RKO, pre-1948 Warner Brothers, pre-1986 MGM films. They do not count toward your Premieres - even if you can not verify they appeared on TCM in the past.



You may also use films in the Public Domain without counting against your premieres regardless of the studio that released them. Because Wikipedia's Public Domain entry is riddled with inaccuracies, for the purposes of determining what is and isn't in the public domain we will be using the movies and shorts included in the Prelinger Archives, which is devoted to presenting these films free on the internet. (As a bonus, you can watch all of them online to see if they fit your needs). The link is listed with the libraries below. Please mark these films "p/d" on your schedule.


Public Domain list: http://www.archive.org/details/feature_films



The film libraries (with hyperlinks) that make up the original TCM Film Library for use in this Challenge are:


Warner Bros (pre-1948 only): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/


MGM (pre-1986): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0020206/


RKO (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0041421/


The films from these other Studio Libraries can be used if they have previously aired on TCM, otherwise they have to be premieres. I have added British Gaumont to the list of libraries:


Columbia Pictures (all) http://www.imdb.com/company/co0071509/


United Artists (after 1950): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026841/


Samuel Goldwyn (all): http://www.imdb.com/company/co0016710/


J. Arthur Rank Film Distributors gb: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0027356/


Walt Disney (Live Action only): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_live_action_films


20th Century Fox:



Paramount Pictures:



Universal Pictures:



British Gaumont Pictures:




As always, you are free to program any film that has already been presented on TCM regardless of library affiliation. This should be designated with a "p/s" symbol (designating "previously scheduled").


The way to see if a movie has been previously screened is to go to the homepage and search the "Site." If TCM has played the film before, you will find programming listings, notes, or stories. DON'T search "Database" -- that includes all movies. Search "Site."


If you search a title by using the database for this purpose, if the word Articles (on the left-hand side of the column) is in bold that means an article was written either for the website or the "Now Playing" guide and the film has aired on TCM in the past. This method is not 100% accurate, it has a small window for error. So if in doubt, verify using the first method.



You can find running times for your film selections by using IMDB.com or right here on the TCM website. If using TCM.com, go to the homepage and search "Database" for the film title you need.



Format your listing by showing the time it shows, name of the film, year it was produced, star(s), and/or director, studio, running time, premiere or previously scheduled. I recommend but do not require that the title of each film be put in bold as it makes it easier for posters to read.


The most important thing is:

PLEASE POST YOUR SCHEDULES AND NOTES IN A SIMPLE TEXT FORMAT DOCUMENT OR COPY YOUR SCHEDULE FROM ONE. Please refrain from using smilies, emoticons or triple exclamation points IN YOUR SCHEDULES AND NOTES. The use of three exclamation points together for some unknown reason causes Jive Software that runs this message board to try and post in an image. The use of emoticons in long posts such as the schedules and notes really confuses the Jive Software when it comes to opening this thread and the Vote thread.



Here are links to previous Challenges and schedules:


Challenge#16 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=153156&start=0&tstart=0

Challenge#15 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=150344&tstart=450

Challenge #14


Challenge #13


Challenge #12 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=139071&start=150&tstart=0

Challenge #11 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=8155190?

Challenge #10 ( http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=127551&start=30&tstart=495&messageID=8088572#8088572 )

Challenge #9 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8046284#8046284)

Challenge #8 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=8013984#8013984)

Challenge #7 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7973260#7973260)

Challenge #6 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7934043#7934043)

Challenge #5 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7877675#7877675)

Challenge #4 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7847611#7847611)

Challenge #3 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7827881#7827881)

Challenge #2 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7794350#7794350)

or the original from the immortal Path40a

Challenge #1 (http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/message.jspa?messageID=7781430#7781430)

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Great challenge, countessdelave!


And a great group of schedules to pick from! What I like most about each --


Fedya -- Bizarro is the perfect word for your themes! A lot of fun. *Ambush Bay* and *Five Weeks in a Balloon* definitely need to be shown on TCM.


Filmlover -- Great Michael Caine tribute. I like every movie in your Rio evening. *One Million Years B.C.* as fashion that made a star is fun, and so true!


C. Bogle -- Really too much to comment on -- it's all great! The Eisenstein imports are a great choice. James Mason as SOTM is great. Bookwork Cinema is all great. The mini-tribute to Vera Clouzot would be nice to see. The Frances Bavier movies are great, but you're right -- her roles were a bit thin. Love the gay deceivers, although I doubt they were really fooling anyone!


Capuchin -- A bit extreme! Still, I'd like to see these remakes/revisions side by side, especially Baldpate, Hunchback, Zenda, and Cleo as well as Raffles, Svengali, Zorro, and Hamlet.


Kingrat -- Your Claude Chabrol tribute is perfect. Love the actors directing and directors acting themes! Paulette Goddard is a great choice for SOTM. Let's hope TCM is paying attention.


Lonesome Polecat -- *Goodbye, Charlie* deserves to be on TCM. Dean Martin as SOTM is long overdue. Love the anniversaries, and you picked great films for them. Your Saturday of young deaths is definitely a must-see day!


They are all great schedules, and you're all to be congratulated!


My one vote, however, goes to *SansFin.*


I know some of you will think it's nepotism, since our relationship is now public, but her choices just resonated with me a bit more than anyone else's did. *Beauty And The Beast, The Red Balloon, The Virgin Queen, Heaven Can Wait, The Bishop's Wife,* and *Our Miss Brooks* in the same week is something I can only wish for. Laraine Day would be a great SOTM! Saturday's holiday movies are all great. What can I say about the Vole day? It's as bizzare as I've ever seen, and there's a lot of guilty pleasures in there for me as well as some valid classics.


And a special thanks goes to countessdelave for running a great challenge!

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Miss Wonderly,


The voting will end on *Sunday, November 28th at Midnight PST*. I'll announce the winner on the 29th. This will give you and other voters a chance to digest the seven schedules AND Thanksgiving meals.


Filmlover, Sansfin, Capuchin: thanks for your kind words.

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Just a note and a reminder - we are not going to be shy about stealing some of these ideas. It's so impressive to look through the entries. A lot of the them we've considered in the past or are even planning to do already, and so many others are just great and fun but had never been contemplated. It's free consulting for us, I guess, so don't be surprised to see some of the themes show up in future months.

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Tcmprogrammr, thank you for the kind words. I think all of us who've tried our hands at the programming challenge appreciate the hard work it takes to put together a real TCM schedule, and we don't have to be concerned about a budget. Let's hope you can use a lot of these ideas.

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We do have the advantage of not having to worry about the money end of the whole

enterprise, so one can be free of that concern. I hope I have the time to look over all the

schedules again. They were all good, with intriguing themes, marvelous individual

movies, and the combination of both. And it would be great if TCM can show some

of the schedule choices in the future.


Countessdelave has been a most gracious hostess. Her fashion theme did throw me for

a temporary loop because that's not exactly my interest, but it turned out all right in

the end.

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I have had an unusually difficult time making up my mind this challenge season.

There have been so many hours spent organizing ideas, creating schedules,

listing premieres, and adding suggestions for the Film Festival.

And I've mentioned some of my favorites on the original thread.


I know I need to vote now because I will be travelling, and I

won't have time to vote after this evening.


Because of the premieres, fashion choices, themes, and

Private Screenings choice of DORIS DAY, I choose:




I wish I could have voted for everyone. There were

many aspects of all schedules that I know I would

enjoy seeing, and hope that TCM Programmers

feel free to steal from the Challenge!


And I truly hope Kingrat gets his Film Fesitval Wish

with a great discussion panel concerning...KINGRAT!

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We have a bit more than 48 hours left for voting. We end the voting at Midnight on Sunday PST and I'll announce the winner on Monday. I hope to see a few more votes and comments about these seven wonderful schedules.


Here is the tally of votes, to-date:






Lonesome Polecat-2

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It's always hard to decide between schedules. I left my comments about each a few days ago on the original thread, but seeing them here altogether makes it so much harder. I mean, come on, everyone has some star points that I would love to combine into one perfect schedule for showing on TCM (oh, to be the tcmprogrammer and do just that). (By the way, I was really happy to see him post about the schedules. Always feels great when he drops in to let us know he likes the ideas!)


Anyway, this time around, I kept coming back to three different schedules that I wanted to see on the air, but ended up with the one that brought me the most enjoyment with the headers and overall theme, so my vote is for *SansFin*.

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And still another wonderful selection of schedules which makes it always hard to choose a favorite.

One in particular did catch my fancy with a variety of films that was right up my alley.

Congratulations, Kingrat, on a job well done.

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Congratulations on running your first Challenge, CountessDelave! Very nicely done!


My decision always comes down to two things: movies I'd watch and creativity... in that order. Two schedules were the most watchable for me. Those were crafted by C.Bogle and Fedya.


I found many films to my liking in C.Bogle's sked. Films such as The Last Laugh, Among the Living, Blue Velvet, L'Age d'Or, Viridiana, and The Testament of Dr. Mabuse. I'd say the majority of the films on their schedule appealed to me. I also liked James Mason as "Star of the Month." That was my favorite of all the skeds.


I say it every single time, because it's always the case: Fedya kills me. Nobody creates more hilarious, intelligent themes than they. The themes on their schedule this time were exceptional. Phenomenal. I loved "Found Weekend," "A Star is Not Born," "Where the Boys Aren't," "State Unfair," "Off the Beach," and "Some Didn't Come Running." And then to select the corresponding films to those themes is genius.


My vote goes to Fedya, because their themes and film selections were the best for my taste.


Capuchin - I liked your "Go Green" theme. I especially liked "Reducing Testosterone." That was funny.


SansFin - You received ten points just for mentioning my name and programming Scarlet Street. I liked that you scheduled City Without Men, The Red House, Ride the Pink Horse, and WarGames. I liked your "Independence Day" film selection. Very good! I also enjoyed seeing Laraine Day as "Star of the Month."


Lonesome Polecat - I really liked your "When Directors Try New Things" theme. I also loved seeing The Muppet Movie on the schedule. Wonderful.


Kingrat - Forever Amber! I wish! Loved your spotlights on John Brahm and Claude Chabrol. And "Violent is the Word for the Curly"! Nice!


FilmLover - I enjoyed your themes; very creative. I laughed at "John Wayne Liked Boy Singers" and "A Matter of Wife and Death."

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filmlover - Thank you very much for your vote. In your comment in the original thread you said my Vole day left your head spinning. That was my hope. It is said that if you cannot dazzle voters with your brilliance you must blind them with ... audacity.


Fedya - Thank you very much for your vote. I feel as if I am waiting for the other shoe to drop to show this is a Bizarro World way of showing your support for all the other schedules.


It is truly an honor to receive votes from such worthy competitors who have themselves created wonderful schedules in this Challenge and many past Challenges.

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