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Yes, I have two of the public domain western collections:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-John-Wayne-Collection/dp/B000JCEU8C/ref=sr_1_9?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1296256259&sr=1-9

 

http://www.amazon.com/20-Great-Westerns-Bandits-Wasteland/dp/B00497NW1Y/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1296256322&sr=1-4

 

This last one has the complete 1971 television pilot for the tv series "Bearcats!" with Rod Taylor and Dennis Cole called: "Powderkeg". That is the only reason I bought the set.

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> My Favorite Sensual Films (pre-70s)

>

> You're gonna notice a trend.

>

> 10. Bell, Book and Candle

> 9. The Lady from Shanghai

> 8. Pandora and the Flying Dutchman

> 7. Picnic

> 6. The Woman on the Beach

> 5. Strangers When We Meet

> 4. Ossessione

> 3. Vertigo

> 2. Morocco

> 1. Mogambo

>

 

that's a really good list. i like all the movies on it except *Ossessione*. that one left me unimpressed.

 

are you sure you find the movies sensual or is it just kim novak?

 

> I can't believe it's Ford at the top! Is there no wonder why I rate this film so highly compared to others?

>

 

because it has two sensual actresses and the whole entire vibe is about the assault of the senses.

 

> My Favorite "Other" Films

>

> 10. Forty Guns

> 9. Human Desire

> 8. Gun Crazy

> 7. God's Little Acre

> 6. The Night of the Iguana

> 5. The Seven Year Itch

> 4. Pushover

> 3. The Smiling Lieutenant

> 2. Fallen Angel

> 1. Baby Doll

>

 

What do you mean by "other" films?

 

> What are yours? I'm sure I know some of them.

 

1. The Lover

2. Morocco

3. Mogambo

4. Night of the Iguana

5. The Bitter Tea of General Yen

6. The River

7. The Night Heaven Fell

8. Black Narcissus

9. Out of Africa

10. Et Dieu Crea Femme

11. Un Homme et Une Femme

12. Bolero

13. Indochine

14. Bonjour, Tristesse

15. Pandora and the Flying Dutchman

16. The Rains Came

17. Wild Orchids

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that's a really good list.

 

Uh-oh. I must have screwed up somewhere. :P

 

i like all the movies on it except Ossessione. that one left me unimpressed.

 

Ossessione probably belongs on the "other" list, actually. It's "sweaty."

 

are you sure you find the movies sensual or is it just kim novak?

 

Kim is a huge reason why I find those films sensual, without a doubt. She's the most sensual actress I've encountered. And the other leading ladies on my list are a big reason why I find the films sensual, too. I view Kim as sensual and Marilyn as sexual.

 

Sensual should be silent. Sexual can be spoken. For example, not a single word needs to be uttered in Pandora and the Flying Dutchman for me to feel the sensuality of that one.

 

because it has two sensual actresses and the whole entire vibe is about the assault of the senses.

 

But it's Ford! Mogambo is the most un-Fordian of Ford's films.

 

What do you mean by "other" films?

 

Sexual. I believe there is a slight difference between sensual and sexual. A film like Bell, Book and Candle is very sensual to me more so than sexual. The Smiling Lieutenant is the opposite.

 

1. The Lover

2. Morocco

3. Mogambo

4. Night of the Iguana

5. The Bitter Tea of General Yen

6. The River

7. The Night Heaven Fell

8. Black Narcissus

9. Out of Africa

10. Et Dieu Crea Femme

11. Un Homme et Une Femme

12. Bolero

13. Indochine

14. Bonjour, Tristesse

15. Pandora and the Flying Dutchman

16. The Rains Came

17. Wild Orchids

 

That's quite a list! I don't know The Lover. What is that? Black Narcissus? Interesting. I figured The Bitter Tea of General Yen would make your list. I'm surprised Algiers didn't.

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> Kim is a huge reason why I find those films sensual, without a doubt. She's the most sensual actress I've encountered. And the other leading ladies on my list are a big reason why I find the films sensual, too. I view Kim as sensual and Marilyn as sexual.

>

 

without debating the point, i only respond to the former, though the first movie on my list is sexual as well. those scenes don't do anything for me. it's for the sensual aspects i rate it so highly.

 

> Sensual should be silent. Sexual can be spoken. For example, not a single word needs to be uttered in Pandora and the Flying Dutchman for me to feel the sensuality of that one.

>

 

And i prefer that. it's more cinematic, too, more "visual".

 

> But it's Ford! Mogambo is the most un-Fordian of Ford's films.

>

 

because it's an MGM remake of *red dust*, not his own creation. and the only actor in it from

his world is the man who played the priest.

 

*The Quiet Man* and *Rio Grande* would make my list of films with the most sensual scenes in them.

 

> What do you mean by "other" films?

>

> Sexual. I believe there is a slight difference between sensual and sexual. A film like Bell, Book and Candle is very sensual to me more so than sexual. The Smiling Lieutenant is the opposite.

>

 

I see.

 

> That's quite a list! I don't know The Lover. What is that?

 

a british- european movie from the 90s set in colonial vietnam. i don't recommend it to anyone because it's full of really terribly explicit scenes and stars one of the worst actresses ever. but the direction and exploitation of the setting is the most sensual i've seen. i like tropical settings.

 

Black Narcissus? Interesting.

 

amazing than English film would make my list. but it's not set in England (though it was filmed there...amazingly good job at fooling us into thinking it's Asia).

 

> I figured The Bitter Tea of General Yen would make your list. I'm surprised Algiers didn't.

 

oh, darn it. i knew i was forgetting one.

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without debating the point, i only respond to the former, though the first movie on my list is sexual as well. those scenes don't do anything for me. it's for the sensual aspects i rate it so highly.

 

I'm sure you are in the majority. I respond to both.

 

And i prefer that. it's more cinematic, too, more "visual".

 

Visual fuels the senses.

 

because it's an MGM remake of red dust, not his own creation. and the only actor in it from

his world is the man who played the priest.

 

MGM did something good!

 

The Quiet Man and Rio Grande would make my list of films with the most sensual scenes in them.

 

Of Ford's "Ford" films, those are probably the most sensual. Ford is usually about tender and loving more so than sensual.

 

a british- european movie from the 90s set in colonial vietnam. i don't recommend it to anyone because it's full of really terribly explicit scenes and stars one of the worst actresses ever. but the direction and exploitation of the setting is the most sensual i've seen. i like tropical settings.

 

That doesn't sound like you at all!

 

amazing than English film would make my list.

 

Excellent point.

 

but it's not set in England (though it was filmed there...amazingly good job at fooling us into thinking it's Asia).

 

Repression makes for good sensuality with me.

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> I'm sure you are in the majority. I respond to both.

>

 

among women, perhaps. men respond to the more obvious.

 

> Of Ford's "Ford" films, those are probably the most sensual. Ford is usually about tender and loving more so than sensual.

>

 

i actually think foreign directors are better at the sensual than anglos or americans. though david lean does introduce sensuality in some of his films.

 

> a british- european movie from the 90s set in colonial vietnam. i don't recommend it to anyone because it's full of really terribly explicit scenes and stars one of the worst actresses ever. but the direction and exploitation of the setting is the most sensual i've seen. i like tropical settings.

>

> That doesn't sound like you at all!

>

 

it's a horrible movie but i just love the setting, the cinematography and the music. it all combines to take me out of horrible, wintry Manrattan. *Indochine* is from the same time period, and a better film but it's just the setting that I find sensual. Same with *black Narcissus*.

 

> amazing than English film would make my list.

>

> Excellent point.

>

> but it's not set in England (though it was filmed there...amazingly good job at fooling us into thinking it's Asia).

>

> Repression makes for good sensuality with me.

 

*Black Narcissus* is sensual to me because of the ambience. the spirit of the place is one of intense sensuality and how it affects the different nuns there is what it's all about. I never saw Deborah so severe as she is in this movie. She's almost scary in some moments. Talk about repressed.

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among women, perhaps. men respond to the more obvious.

 

This obvious man does!

 

i actually think foreign directors are better at the sensual than anglos or americans. though david lean does introduce sensuality in some of his films.

 

I agree. Although, I haven't seen many foreign-language films to quantify it.

 

it's a horrible movie

 

That sounds like you! :P

 

but i just love the setting, the cinematography and the music. it all combines to take me out of horrible, wintry Manrattan.

 

Why am I not surprised to see you mention music? :) Yeah, that's part of the sensual.

 

Black Narcissus is sensual to me because of the ambience. the spirit of the place is one of intense sensuality and how it affects the different nuns there is what it's all about. I never saw Deborah so severe as she is in this movie. She's almost scary in some moments. Talk about repressed.

 

A severe Deborah? All right! She played quite a few repressed ladies in her day.

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> I agree. Although, I haven't seen many foreign-language films to quantify it.

>

 

the french are really good at capturing this. i haven't seen to many Indian movies, but I have the feeling they are good at that, too.

 

> A severe Deborah? All right! She played quite a few repressed ladies in her day.

 

she looks almost like she's about to kill someone in a couple of scenes. she seems crazier than the crazy lady.

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> she looks almost like she's about to kill someone in a couple of scenes. she seems crazier than the crazy lady.

>

> You're in that movie, too, Marie?!

 

Go jerk yourself a soda! :P

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Go jerk yourself a soda!

 

:D Oh, Marie.

 

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My favorite comedies (pre-70s):

 

1. His Girl Friday

2. Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein

3. Mr. Lucky (drama)

4. The Shop Around the Corner (drama)

5. Unfaithfully Yours

6. Batman

7. The Smiling Lieutenant

8. Bell, Book and Candle (drama)

9. The More the Merrier

10. Cluny Brown

11. Meet John Doe (drama)

12. The Thin Man (mystery)

13. Love Me Tonight

14. It Happened One Night

15. Mr. and Mrs. Smith

16. Christmas in July

17. Harvey (drama)

18. The Quiet Man (drama)

19. Holiday

20. The Man Who Came to Dinner

21. The Odd Couple (drama)

22. Dr. Strangelove

23. My Favorite Blonde

24. The Lady Eve

25. The Philadelphia Story

26. My Man Godfrey

27. The Awful Truth

28. Test Pilot (drama)

29. Stage Door

30. Libeled Lady

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> 1. His Girl Friday

> 2. Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein

> 3. Mr. Lucky (drama)

> 4. The Shop Around the Corner (drama)

> 5. Unfaithfully Yours

> 6. Batman

> 7. The Smiling Lieutenant

> 8. Bell, Book and Candle (drama)

> 9. The More the Merrier

> 10. Cluny Brown

> 11. Meet John Doe (drama)

> 12. The Thin Man (mystery)

> 13. Love Me Tonight

> 14. It Happened One Night

> 15. Mr. and Mrs. Smith

> 16. Christmas in July

> 17. Harvey (drama)

> 18. The Quiet Man (drama)

> 19. Holiday

> 20. The Man Who Came to Dinner

> 21. The Odd Couple (drama)

> 22. Dr. Strangelove

> 23. My Favorite Blonde

> 24. The Lady Eve

> 25. The Philadelphia Story

> 26. My Man Godfrey

> 27. The Awful Truth

> 28. Test Pilot (drama)

> 29. Stage Door

> 30. Libeled Lady

 

I like most of those...but is *Batman* really a comedy? you have several that are a mix of drama and comedy. that is usually a good combination if the director really knows how to balance to the two. I only have one of those on my list (Penny Serenade).

 

1. My Man Godfrey

2. Cluny Brown

3. You Can't Take it With You

4. It Happened One Night

5. Duck Soup

6. The Ghost Breakers

7. The Lemon Drop Kid

8. Mr. and Mrs. Smith

9. Hide Out

10. Trouble in Paradise

11. To Be or Not to Be

12. Teacher's Pet

13. Lover, Come Back!

14. Barefoot in the Park

15. Petticoat Fever

16. Penny Serenade

17. Libeled Lady

18. The Man Who Came to Dinner

19. The Awful Truth

20. Bringing Up Baby

21. House Boat

22. Father Goose

23. Penelope

24. Holiday.

25. Indiscreet

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I like most of those...but is Batman really a comedy?

 

Oh, definitely. It's played over-the-top.

 

you have several that are a mix of drama and comedy. that is usually a good combination if the director really knows how to balance to the two.

 

Generally, I prefer dramas with comedy more so than straight comedy. It's really difficult to classify some films. For example, I like the romance of The Shop Around the Corner more than the comedy, but I do like the comedy, too.

 

I still have to see:

 

3. You Can't Take it With You

5. Duck Soup

6. The Ghost Breakers

7. The Lemon Drop Kid

12. Teacher's Pet

13. Lover, Come Back!

14. Barefoot in the Park

16. Penny Serenade

21. House Boat

22. Father Goose

23. Penelope

25. Indiscreet

 

I've at least seen more than half. I'm getting there. :)

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> I like most of those...but is Batman really a comedy?

>

> Oh, definitely. It's played over-the-top.

>

 

it's not a kid's film?

 

> Generally, I prefer dramas with comedy more so than straight comedy. It's really difficult to classify some films. For example, I like the romance of The Shop Around the Corner more than the comedy, but I do like the comedy, too.

>

 

i know what you mean. i feel that way quite often about romance. i like dramas with romance more than straight romances sometimes.

 

> I still have to see:

>

> 3. You Can't Take it With You

> 5. Duck Soup

> 6. The Ghost Breakers

> 7. The Lemon Drop Kid

> 12. Teacher's Pet

> 13. Lover, Come Back!

> 14. Barefoot in the Park

> 16. Penny Serenade

> 21. House Boat

> 22. Father Goose

> 23. Penelope

> 25. Indiscreet

>

> I've at least seen more than half. I'm getting there. :)

 

I'm still amazed you like the Lubitsch musical comedies!

 

Of the above, I can only see you liking the Hope movies, *Penny Serenade* (maybe) and You Can't Take it With You.

 

Even though I know you love Ingrid and Cary, I don't think *Indiscreet* is your type of comedy. You may like Ingrid's tantrums, though, they are quite funny.

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it's not a kid's film?

 

It's for both. When I was a kid, I loved Batman the television show because I like superheroes and supervillains. I took the show seriously. I couldn't wait to watch it after school. It wasn't until I was in my late-teens that I actually realized it was a comedy show. It's the definition of "camp."

 

i know what you mean. i feel that way quite often about romance. i like dramas with romance more than straight romances sometimes.

 

I'm the same with that. A straight romance can sometimes be too much for me.

 

I'm still amazed you like the Lubitsch musical comedies!

 

I've only seen one! The other one is Lubitsch-like. The Smiling Lieutenant plays "masculine" because it's highly sexual. It actually reminded me of a Mel Brooks film. What has shocked me is that I like Maurice Chevalier. He's terrific.

 

Of the above, I can only see you liking the Hope movies, Penny Serenade (maybe) and You Can't Take it With You.

 

That sounds like a challenge! I'll have to watch the Capra film.

 

Here are my Capra rankings:

 

1. It's a Wonderful Life

2. Meet John Doe

3. It Happened One Night

4. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

5. The Bitter Tea of General Yen

6. Mr. Deeds Goes to Town

 

Even though I know you love Ingrid and Cary, I don't think Indiscreet is your type of comedy. You may like Ingrid's tantrums, though, they are quite funny.

 

But I'm someone who adores Ingrid's emotions. Her emotions are my very favorite of all actresses.

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> I'm the same with that. A straight romance can sometimes be too much for me.

>

 

there are several i love, though i have many favorite love stories in westerns.

 

> I've only seen one! The other one is Lubitsch-like. The Smiling Lieutenant plays "masculine" because it's highly sexual. It actually reminded me of a Mel Brooks film. What has shocked me is that I like Maurice Chevalier. He's terrific.

>

 

that is pretty amazing. he's as gallic as you can get.

 

>

> But I'm someone who adores Ingrid's emotions. Her emotions are my very favorite of all actresses.

 

Well, she's very emotional in *Indiscreet*.

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there are several i love, though i have many favorite love stories in westerns.

 

There's a list! Let's see that one!

 

that is pretty amazing. he's as gallic as you can get.

 

He's very expressive but in a wonderfully comedic way. He's on the hammy side.

 

Well, she's very emotional in Indiscreet.

 

That's a huge plus for me.

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> there are several i love, though i have many favorite love stories in westerns.

>

> There's a list! Let's see that one!

>

 

favorite westerns or favorite western love stories?

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Favorite western love stories. I struggled with that. It seems like the love in westerns that appeals to me is the unrealized.

 

10. Hondo (John Wayne) and Angie (Geraldine Page) in Hondo

9. James (Gregory Peck) and Julie (Jean Simmons) in The Big Country

8. Marlowe (John Wayne) and Hannah (Constance Towers) in The Horse Soldiers

7. Matt (John Wayne) and Sammy (Betty Field) in The Shepherd of the Hills

6. Ringo Kid (John Wayne) and Dallas (Claire Trevor) in Stagecoach

5. John T. (John Wayne) and Feathers (Angie Dickinson) in Rio Bravo

4. Will (Gary Cooper) and Amy (Grace Kelly) in High Noon

3. Quirt (John Wayne) and Penny (Gail Russell) in Angel and the Badman

2. Kirby (John Wayne) and Kathleen (Maureen O'Hara) in Rio Grande

1. Marty (Jeffrey Hunter) and Laurie (Vera Miles) in The Searchers

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The unrealized:

 

10. Logan (Dana Andrews) and Caroline (Patricia Roc) in Canyon Passage

9. Harmonica (Charles Bronson) and Jill (Claudia Cardinale) in Once Upon a Time in the West

8. Bull (Tom Santschi) and Lee (Olive Borden) in 3 Bad Men

7. Wyatt (Henry Fonda) and Clementine (Cathy Downs) in My Darling Clementine

6. Link (Gary Cooper) and Billie (Julie London) in Man of the West

5. Ben (Randolph Scott) and Annie (Gail Russell) in 7 Men from Now

4. Jeff (James Stewart) and Renee (Corinne Calvet) in The Far Country

3. Tom (James Stewart) and Frenchy (Marlene Dietrich) in Destry Rides Again

2. Shane (Alan Ladd) and Marian (Jean Arthur) in Shane

1. Will (James Stewart) and Barbara (Cathy O'Donnell) in The Man from Laramie

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> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Favorite western love stories. I struggled with that. It seems like the love in westerns that appeals to me is the unrealized.

>

> 10. Hondo (John Wayne) and Angie (Geraldine Page) in Hondo

> 9. James (Gregory Peck) and Julie (Jean Simmons) in The Big Country

> 8. Marlowe (John Wayne) and Hannah (Constance Towers) in The Horse Soldiers

> 7. Matt (John Wayne) and Sammy (Betty Field) in The Shepherd of the Hills

> 6. Ringo Kid (John Wayne) and Dallas (Claire Trevor) in Stagecoach

> 5. John T. (John Wayne) and Feathers (Angie Dickinson) in Rio Bravo

> 4. Will (Gary Cooper) and Amy (Grace Kelly) in High Noon

> 3. Quirt (John Wayne) and Penny (Gail Russell) in Angel and the Badman

> 2. Kirby (John Wayne) and Kathleen (Maureen O'Hara) in Rio Grande

> 1. Marty (Jeffrey Hunter) and Laurie (Vera Miles) in The Searchers

> {quote:title=FrankGrimes wrote:}{quote}

> Favorite western love stories. I struggled with that. It seems like the love in westerns that appeals to me is the unrealized.

>

> 10. Hondo (John Wayne) and Angie (Geraldine Page) in Hondo

> 9. James (Gregory Peck) and Julie (Jean Simmons) in The Big Country

> 8. Marlowe (John Wayne) and Hannah (Constance Towers) in The Horse Soldiers

> 7. Matt (John Wayne) and Sammy (Betty Field) in The Shepherd of the Hills

> 6. Ringo Kid (John Wayne) and Dallas (Claire Trevor) in Stagecoach

> 5. John T. (John Wayne) and Feathers (Angie Dickinson) in Rio Bravo

> 4. Will (Gary Cooper) and Amy (Grace Kelly) in High Noon

> 3. Quirt (John Wayne) and Penny (Gail Russell) in Angel and the Badman

> 2. Kirby (John Wayne) and Kathleen (Maureen O'Hara) in Rio Grande

> 1. Marty (Jeffrey Hunter) and Laurie (Vera Miles) in The Searchers

 

I like that list! No one thinks of the love stories in westerns, or they don't care much for them, but it's often what draws me to the genre. Too often they are rather straightforward, which is too bad because I think the stripped down setting is ideal for all variations of love story.

 

1. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (Wayne & Vera Miles)

2. The Searchers (Wayne & Dorothy Jordan)

3. Shane (Ladd & Jean Arthur)

4. Rio Grande (Wayne & Maureen O'Hara)

5. The Wonderful Country (Robert Mitchum and Julie London)

6. Angel and the Bad Man (Wayne & Gail Russell)

7. Hondo (Wayne & Geraldine Page)

8. The Proud Rebel (Ladd & Olivia de Havilland)

9. Invitation to a Gunfighter (Yul Brynner & Janice Rule)

10. Stagecoach (Wayne & Claire Trevor)

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I like that list!

 

I'm striking out tonight!

 

No one thinks of the love stories in westerns, or they don't care much for them, but it's often what draws me to the genre. Too often they are rather straightforward, which is too bad because I think the stripped down setting is ideal for all variations of love story.

 

I pretty much like love stories within a story. I agree with you, I believe westerns are very conducive to love stories. Traditional love stories.

 

1. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (Wayne & Vera Miles)

 

Don't you mean Ranse? :P

 

I haven't seen a few of the westerns on your list. I need to keep chipping away.

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