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> {quote:title=infinite1 wrote to filmlover:}{quote}

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> But, all I'm really asking for is less repeats during the year and less modern films that ARE shown on other channels. I have yet to read comments from anyone who loves modern films agreeing that those films from the 80s, 90s, and beyond are available on channels other then TCM. I, and others, don't understand why you must have them on TCM. Are they somehow less CLASSIC to you if they are not associated with the TCM BRAND? Do you only get TCM?

 

It?s very simple. They don?t want to watch the modern films on the commercial channels because they are interrupted by commercials. They want them moved over to TCM so they can see them without commercials.

 

However, the big problem is there are many different ?modern movie? types, from anime to awful sci-fi to stupid comedies to vulgar dramas, and ALL these people want THEIR modern films on TCM so they can see them without commercials.

 

These aren?t ?classic? films, these are their ?favorite? films, and they want to see them without commercials, so that?s why they want them on TCM.

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> > But, all I'm really asking for is less repeats during the year and less modern films that ARE shown on other channels. I have yet to read comments from anyone who loves modern films agreeing that those films from the 80s, 90s, and beyond are available on channels other then TCM. I, and others, don't understand why you must have them on TCM. Are they somehow less CLASSIC to you if they are not associated with the TCM BRAND? Do you only get TCM?

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> Its very simple. They dont want to watch the modern films on the commercial channels because they are interrupted by commercials. They want them moved over to TCM so they can see them without commercials.

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> However, the big problem is there are many different modern movie types, from anime to awful sci-fi to stupid comedies to vulgar dramas, and ALL these people want THEIR modern films on TCM so they can see them without commercials.

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> These arent classic films, these are their favorite films, and they want to see them without commercials, so thats why they want them on TCM.

 

The big problem also is, as was explained to me by another poster, TCM's definition of "CLASSIC" is so broad that even modern films that fall under the definition of anime, awful, sci-fi, stupid, vulgar, or just plain crappy fall under the all encompassing umbrella of "CLASSIC". "Something for everybody". Heck, if that's the case I wouldn't mind if TCM even recycled some old CINEMAX soft core porn films. They're classic and they fall under the category of "Something for everybody".

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I think you are missing points that some of us are trying to make.

 

We are NOT advocating that all modern films be allowed to be shown on TCM. On the contrary, I have never said that all films made after 1960 should be shown on TCM. TCM should show "classic" films.

 

Also I have never advocated that more films from the modern era replace more of the Golden Era films. Never. I understand where you all are coming from though.

 

As far as the word "classic" is concerned, and that word is really at the center of this debate...... You take the word "classic" and apply it to films only from a given time period, where as some of us think "classic" and apply it to the films themselves, not the time period.

 

That is the major difference here.

 

Do I have other cable channels? Yes I do. Do I watch them? Yes I do. Do I watch TCM? Yes. Do I wish more films were available to be shown on TCM? Yes, but I understand why some films are shown over and over and why other films are never shown.

 

All I have ever said is that modern films that have either been recognized by the Academy Awards or have otherwise been given high praise by the noted film historians of our era should be allowed to be shown here. And Yes, one of the reasons is that TCM will show the film as it was meant to be shown in theaters, i.e., widescreen with no editing and no commercials.

 

Otherwise I am happy that TCM mainly shows older classic films. The next two months revert back to a more stable, more "pre-1960" schedule. I think one of the reasons Fred gets so upset is that TCM plays more modern films during 31 Days of Oscar. And guess what? We go through these arguments every February. And until TCM decides to discontinue the Oscar month the way it is now, we are ALL stuck with this format.

 

And I am not saying that you all have nothing to complain about. Be my guest, go ahead and complain all you want. Its a free country.

 

Edited by: fxreyman on Feb 17, 2011 9:31 PM

 

Edited by: fxreyman on Feb 17, 2011 9:31 PM

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> I think you are missing points that some of us are trying to make.

 

I?ve explained this before, but you ignore my explanation.

 

You have your own list of ?favorite films? you want shown on TCM.

 

Some other guy has his own separate list of his ?favorite films?, and your two lists don?t match up.

 

A third guy has his separate list of his ?favorite films? and his don?t match up with yours and the second guy?s.

 

And different ladies have their different lists, and teenagers have their different lists, etc, etc, on and on, so we wind up with 1,000 different kinds of lists that don?t have anything at all to do with each other or with old classic films.

 

Here are some requests that have been posted on this board during the past few years:

 

joefilmone Posted: Feb 12, 2008 10:32 PM

?A salute to Latino stars in Hollywood would be a good choice for a month long series.?

 

ccmiller1492 Posted: Oct 17, 2009 6:46 PM

?I would also like to see some more recent films from Bollywood, especially from the last 8-10 years. They have really changed, as much as India's economy and culture have changed.?

 

teckid1991 Posted: Jul 10, 2006 12:53 PM

?Im not saying TCM should take out the classic moives that you love so much. Im just saying they should add in more modern classics. We dont want to wait for 2106 for them to start showing movies that are considered classics during this time period.?

 

Goalieboy82 Posted: Aug 16, 2010 10:56 AM

?there should be an anime day (or month). maybe next year when the new live action Akira (that is when it should be coming out) maybe TCM can show anime movies on tuesdays and thursdays.?

 

landolphe Posted: Oct 6, 2009 4:12 PM

?I hereby cast a vote for TCM to show more foreign language films. A night devoted to, say, French New Wave or Italian Neo-realism, or post-war Swedish works would be fantastic.?

 

VonFrankenhausen Posted: Feb 21, 2008 5:56 AM

?Bring K. Gordon Murray`s mexican horror classics to TCM?

 

atcmviewer Posted: Dec 23, 2010 2:16 PM

?Any possibility of a festival on German films during 1933?1945?

 

ccmiller1492 Posted: Sep 30, 2007 4:49 PM

?Would anyone like to see more of the neglected 6o's dubbed Italian epics?

1. I, Semiramis with John Ericson, Yvonne Furneaux

2. The Venus of Cheronea aka Goddess of Love, with Massimo Girotti, Belinda Lee

3. Nights of Lucretia Borgia with Jacques Sernas, Belinda Lee?

 

Orlygr Posted: Nov 18, 2005 9:54 AM

?MORE Westerns Please

Alright i'm getting a little tired of all this lovie dovie, pansie wansie programming you guys have been doing lately. I need some good westerns now!!!?

 

osmondfan05 Posted: May 30, 2005 9:36 PM

?Dear Tcm

there are alot of osmond fans out there who want their old movies on TCM so we here by bring these movie on TCM

Goin Coconuts

I Married Wyatt Earp

wild Women of chasty Gulch?

 

MetalunaByMoonlight Posted: May 3, 2006 11:17 AM

?I'm a faithful viewer, and I get the TCM magazine each month. And each month, I look at the featured artists, films, etc. for that month...and I wonder, "Why not a month devoted to science fiction???

 

otterhere Posted: Apr 18, 2008 12:15 PM

?A month of foreign films on TCM...

Double... Triple... And quadruple AMEN to that!!!

Now, on to Documentary Month...?

 

 

Ok, so you want your favorite modern films on TCM? First you have to watch all the Osmond films every year, the dubbed Italian epics annually, the Anime series, the Bollywood classics, the Latino Stars series, the Black History Month package (every year), months of foreign films, plenty of Westerns, science fiction month every year, and my favorite of all ? Mexican Horror Classics!

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As I wrote, we have a difference of an opinion. You and some others here believe applying the word "classic" means a certain time period. In other words, Any film made before 1960 falls into the "classic" definition.

 

What I am saying along with others is that we do not apply the "classic" label to a time period. We apply the label to a film, any film. The film could be from the 1930's or the 1990's. Makes no difference to us.

 

I know you are trying to make a point by listing all of these other requests from others on what they want to have shown here on TCM, but this is not why this thread was started.

 

If you recall this is how this thread started from Engleman:

 

*I really do not like the direction I see TCM going. Let me say that I have been a TCM fan for years. I love movies from the 30's,40's, and 50's. I love 'film noir", action adventure, drama,comedy,war, detective,and, in general, most movies from the time periods mentioned. I DO NOT want to see movies from the 70's,80's. and 90's. These are NOT CLASSIC movies. Aside from the fact that they haven't earned it yet, they can also be seen on dozens of other channels. The movies from the early years can only be seen on TCM. More and more of these "garbage" movies are appearing in the TCM line-up. There hasn't been a "BOGIE", or Mitchum, or Charlie Chan, etc.,etc., movie in quite a while...*

 

So really he started this thread to complain about the direction that TCM is going. In his opinion TCM shows way too many newer films. And you and several others agree with him.

 

He may have only seen the schedule for the 31 Days of Oscar, that is when many newer films are shown. Not a typical month on TCM. Maybe that is why he does not like the direction TCM is going based on what he sees on the schedule for 31 Days.

 

His opinion is that "classic" films are from a certain time period than the more recent fare that is shown during 31 Days of Oscar. So be it. That is where this argument is now.

 

Two camps:

 

One camp says that "classic" films were made before 1960.

 

The other camp places no time periods on any movie. A movie can be considered a "classic" solely based on the movie itself with no adherence to any time period.

 

The other thing to consider.......... You are right about one thing:

 

Everyone has their own favorite lists.

 

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> {quote:title=fxreyman wrote:}{quote}

> You are right about one thing:

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> Everyone has their own favorite lists.

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Right, and that?s becoming a bigger problem all the time. Here are some more groups:

 

tim10cc Posted: May 19, 2010 11:36 AM

?With Pride month coming up in June it would be good show some titles:

Norman is that you

Some of my best friends are?

 

palaugh4 Posted on: Mar 26, 2005 4:52 PM

?I would like for TCM to pay a month long tribute to Elvis Presley.?

 

Goalieboy82 Posted on: Mar 30, 2010 9:11 AM

?i think tcm should have an Amateur film month (show movies made by hobby film makers on tuesday and thursday nights).?

 

Goalieboy82 Posted on: May 12, 2010 8:20 AM

?i think tcm should have a aussie and kiwi (australia and new zealand) film month sometime.?

 

DeMilleBuff32 Posted on: Jul 15, 2006 11:04 AM

?How about a month of Comic/Superhero films?

 

pirishelli Posted on: Apr 9, 2004 5:40 PM

?it would be fascinating if TCM hosted a month of remakes.?

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*"But, all I'm really asking for is less repeats during the year and less modern films that ARE shown on other channels."*

 

OK. I thought the reason behind this "repeat" business was pretty well understood by know but I guess not.

 

TCM has a single satellite feed for the whole country. What is seen at 8pm on the East Coast is being shown at 5pm on the West Coast. This difference in the time of day when a film is seen on TCM (convenient for some, inconvenient for just as many) is an issue that TCM addresses by showing some films more than once and at different hours of the day or even on different days of the week. It is a long-standing practice for TCM to repeat many popular or important films in order that the audience has access to them at an hour convenient to most persons regardless of where they happen to reside.

 

Contrary to what others have written, TCM seldom repeats films at 8pmEST/5pmPST with great regularity. But, occassionally, it does happen. For the past few years, *Gone With The Wind* has consistently been shown beginning at 8pm EST. (With a four-hour running time, there really aren't many "slots" for it on the daily schedule.) Now that 8pm time is fine for persons on the East Coast and even in the Midwest. But few working people out West are really able to be home in time to catch it from the start. And I have voiced frustration about that scheduling decision in these Forums more than once. Finally, this month TCM scheduled the film to start at 7pm out West and all of us just finishing our dinners could actually see the film from the beginning. "Thanks TCM. I knew you could it!"

 

Whether it happened because I kept carping about the hour or if we Left-Coasters just got lucky this time because TCM made the decision to schedule "Best Picture" winners to be seen at 10pm/7pm every night for the duration of the "31 Days..." event is unknown to me. But it makes no difference. All that matters is that *Gone With The Wind* started a little later in the evening for once.

 

*"I have yet to read comments from anyone who loves modern films agreeing that those films from the 80s, 90s, and beyond are available on channels other then TCM. I, and others, don't understand why you must have them on TCM. Are they somehow less CLASSIC to you if they are not associated with the TCM BRAND? Do you only get TCM?"*

 

Of course they are available on other channels. No one denys that they aren't. But on other non-subscription channels, they aren't "uncut or commercial-free". I hope you won't deny that seeing a film on TNT, TBS, AMC or FX is not the same as seeing it on TCM. With TCM you get all the benefits of seeing a film on a premium channel like HBO or Starz without the additional cost associated with adding those channels to one's cable/satellite bill. So in that sense, "Yes." For many of the viewers, TCM is the only movie channel they get.

 

(I would find it interesting to learn how many more people watch *The Lord Of The Rings* on TNT this month rather than watch it on TCM and if those folks knew they could also see it on TCM - letterboxed, uncut and commercial-free - during "31 Days Of Oscar.")

 

*"Frankly it's fascinating to me how you (a general "you" to encompass all that feel this way) can stomach so many repeats on TCM..."*

 

TCM presents over 300 different movies every month. Do any other movie channels even come close to that number? There's 30 premieres during "31 Days Of Oscar" in 2011. A "new" film for (nearly) every day of this event is a pretty good deal - even if one watches TCM 24/7.

 

But I don't watch TCM 24/7 nor does TCM expect their viewers to watch it 24/7. There _are_ other options on the television dial. (Be it "American Experience" or "American Idol".) And there _are_ things happening in the world besides what TCM is showing on any given day or night. I spent many evenings this month catching up with the events in Egypt and other places in the Middle East. Now THAT was must-see TV. There was a big sporting event the first weekend of the month and a big awards show upcoming on the last weekend of this month. TCM understands that most viewers do have other interests in entertainment and programs accordingly. I bet that is why *Joan Of Arc* is premiering _early_ on the 27th so as not to compete with the Academy Awards ceremony that evening - while familiar favorites *Mildred Pierce* and *Annie Hall* are being shown opposite the Oscars telecast. And that is likely why *The House On 92nd St.* premiered late in the evening of Super Bowl Sunday. (Fun movie. It was like an episode of "This Is Your FBI" come to life.)

 

Now, if only I could get TCM to run *The Exorcist* again. Maybe next "31 Days Of Oscar."

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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This is one thing I do not understand about you Fred......

 

I went out of my way to explain what "classic" means to those of us who like to call any film from any time period a "classic". And I also tried to explain what "classic" means to you and others here.

 

I have tried to explain what differences there are between those of you who define "classic" the way you do and the way we choose to define "classic".

 

I have to assume that either you are just plain pig headed about this conversation or you would rather not engage me in any kind of thoughtful way.

 

But all I get from you is a continuation of the response from others what they want to see on TCM.

 

I don't get it. Maybe you can explain?

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I definitely would like to see more modern classics on TCM. Perhaps TCM could find a creative way to program them. Some of these films might be aired on other channels, but here's the catch: TCM is the ONLY channel that plays its films, with a few exceptions, in full letterbox and in stereophonic sound if possible. All other channels are lazy. Even the ones which profess to care about movies still show FULL SCREEN (1.33:1) or the wider full screen for modern televisions (approx. 1.75:1) which doesn't work when the original theatrical ratio is 2.35:1. Personally, I won't watch quality films unless they're letterboxed. Living in Canada, I have another problem, though. I might not get to see some of these modern classics anyway, because TCM blocks some movies from airing in Canada. Anyway, that's a separate issue.

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> Actually, for me it was only films prior to 1960. But, I'm willing to compromise by allowing films from the 1960s and 1970s. But, all I'm really asking for is less repeats during the year and less modern films that ARE shown on other channels. I have yet to read comments from anyone who loves modern films agreeing that those films from the 80s, 90s, and beyond are available on channels other then TCM. I, and others, don't understand why you must have them on TCM. Are they somehow less CLASSIC to you if they are not associated with the TCM BRAND? Do you only get TCM?

 

The thing is, a lot of the 70s, 80s, and 90s (and the scant 2000s) films shown on TCM actually are NOT on other movie channels.

 

Examples from the current slate of schedules or my memory:

Five Easy Pieces

Ryan's Daughter

Red

The Last Emperor

Most foreign language films of this era

Most of the Miyazaki/Takahata/Studio Ghibli animated films on in January 2006

Killer of Sheep

Several films used for the various Race and Hollywood series

Almost all of the TCM Underground films

A Room With a View (I know Howard's End and Remains of the Day have been on Starz/Encore but I don't believe I've seen this scheduled outside of TCM in the last several years.)

Amadeus

Ginger and Fred

Alex in Wonderland

Italianamerican

Jeanne Dielman

Hotel Monterey

Wise Blood

Under the Volcano

Scenes From a Marriage

Gates of Heaven (and other recent documentaries like Hearts and Minds.)

 

In fact, it seems that about 75% of the "newer" movies shown on TCM aren't going to be seen on other movie channels. Clint Eastwood films, Woody Allen films, Forrest Gump, Lord of the Rings - those do show up on other channels (although only the first two appear on TCM with regular fidelity and I'm not going to argue against Woody Allen; 31 Days of Oscar shouldn't even count, TCM doesn't show a lot of that stuff year round.)

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Fred what you don't seem to understand is all those things are suggestions. No one is saying that TCM has to or should play any of those type of films. But I don't see anything wrong with people making suggestions. Maybe TCM does get an idea from those suggestions, maybe they don't.

 

I never support when people complain that TCM doesn't show enough of these films. I think that is wrong. But I also think it is wrong to say that people cannot make suggestions of types of films they would like to see on the channel. Those long list of suggestions you posted do show that there are many different types of fans who watch TCM but it doesn't mean TCM has to honor every suggestion. Of course it would be impossible for TCM to satisfy everyone all the time.

 

There is also difference between saying it would be nice if TCM plays more Westerns (fine) to TCM sucks because it doesn't play Westerns every Tuesday.

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*"There is difference between saying it would be nice if TCM plays more Westerns (fine) to TCM sucks because it doesn't play Westerns every Tuesday also."* - kinokima

 

Boy howdy. Are you correct about that.

 

It is one thing to request a specific film, genre or theme be shown and quite another to ask TCM _not_ to show certain films because it violates a self-created definition of what is "classic."

 

Kyle In Hollywood

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> {quote:title=JonasEB wrote:}{quote}

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> The thing is, a lot of the 70s, 80s, and 90s (and the scant 2000s) films shown on TCM actually are NOT on other movie channels.

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Agreed. And other channels show them in pan & scan and edited versions. Many other channels also still use time-compression, which just makes my heart hurt. Encore and Starz use some really hideous prints that look like they came from a vhs tape.

 

If the mix stays safely at about 80/20 (pre-69 vs post-69), I'll keep my shirt on.

 

March is loaded with 1930s movies (have a look at Tues March 15th, and Friday the 18th)...I have more circled movies in that Now Playing guide than in any one I've had for months. Should just about fill my DVR.

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> *"But, all I'm really asking for is less repeats during the year and less modern films that ARE shown on other channels."*

>

> OK. I thought the reason behind this "repeat" business was pretty well understood by know but I guess not.

>

> TCM has a single satellite feed for the whole country. What is seen at 8pm on the East Coast is being shown at 5pm on the West Coast. This difference in the time of day when a film is seen on TCM (convenient for some, inconvenient for just as many) is an issue that TCM addresses by showing some films more than once and at different hours of the day or even on different days of the week. It is a long-standing practice for TCM to repeat many popular or important films in order that the audience has access to them at an hour convenient to most persons regardless of where they happen to reside.

>

> Contrary to what others have written, TCM seldom repeats films at 8pmEST/5pmPST with great regularity. But, occassionally, it does happen. For the past few years, *Gone With The Wind* has consistently been shown beginning at 8pm EST. (With a four-hour running time, there really aren't many "slots" for it on the daily schedule.) Now that 8pm time is fine for persons on the East Coast and even in the Midwest. But few working people out West are really able to be home in time to catch it from the start. And I have voiced frustration about that scheduling decision in these Forums more than once. Finally, this month TCM scheduled the film to start at 7pm out West and all of us just finishing our dinners could actually see the film from the beginning. "Thanks TCM. I knew you could it!"

>

> Whether it happened because I kept carping about the hour or if we Left-Coasters just got lucky this time because TCM made the decision to schedule "Best Picture" winners to be seen at 10pm/7pm every night for the duration of the "31 Days..." event is unknown to me. But it makes no difference. All that matters is that *Gone With The Wind* started a little later in the evening for once.

>

> *"I have yet to read comments from anyone who loves modern films agreeing that those films from the 80s, 90s, and beyond are available on channels other then TCM. I, and others, don't understand why you must have them on TCM. Are they somehow less CLASSIC to you if they are not associated with the TCM BRAND? Do you only get TCM?"*

>

> Of course they are available on other channels. No one denys that they aren't. But on other non-subscription channels, they aren't "uncut or commercial-free". I hope you won't deny that seeing a film on TNT, TBS, AMC or FX is not the same as seeing it on TCM. With TCM you get all the benefits of seeing a film on a premium channel like HBO or Starz without the additional cost associated with adding those channels to one's cable/satellite bill. So in that sense, "Yes." For many of the viewers, TCM is the only movie channel they get.

>

> (I would find it interesting to learn how many more people watch *The Lord Of The Rings* on TNT this month rather than watch it on TCM and if those folks knew they could also see it on TCM - letterboxed, uncut and commercial-free - during "31 Days Of Oscar.")

>

> *"Frankly it's fascinating to me how you (a general "you" to encompass all that feel this way) can stomach so many repeats on TCM..."*

>

> TCM presents over 300 different movies every month. Do any other movie channels even come close to that number? There's 30 premieres during "31 Days Of Oscar" in 2011. A "new" film for (nearly) every day of this event is a pretty good deal - even if one watches TCM 24/7.

>

> But I don't watch TCM 24/7 nor does TCM expect their viewers to watch it 24/7. There _are_ other options on the television dial. (Be it "American Experience" or "American Idol".) And there _are_ things happening in the world besides what TCM is showing on any given day or night. I spent many evenings this month catching up with the events in Egypt and other places in the Middle East. Now THAT was must-see TV. There was a big sporting event the first weekend of the month and a big awards show upcoming on the last weekend of this month. TCM understands that most viewers do have other interests in entertainment and programs accordingly. I bet that is why *Joan Of Arc* is premiering _early_ on the 27th so as not to compete with the Academy Awards ceremony that evening - while familiar favorites *Mildred Pierce* and *Annie Hall* are being shown opposite the Oscars telecast. And that is likely why *The House On 92nd St.* premiered late in the evening of Super Bowl Sunday. (Fun movie. It was like an episode of "This Is Your FBI" come to life.)

>

> Now, if only I could get TCM to run *The Exorcist* again. Maybe next "31 Days Of Oscar."

>

> Kyle In Hollywood

 

Kyle,

 

I appreciate your response, but in today's day and age of DVR's, recordable DVDs, VHS, whatever else is out there, there is no reason for anyone to miss anything that is shown on TCM, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR at the most. If anyone does miss something, TOUGH $$%@#$, it is their own fault. This is not a valid excuse for TCM to air so many repeats during the course of a year. As I said, you want your 31 days of OSCAR every year, fine. You want your SUMMER UNDER THE STARS, fine. But dedicate those films for those two months and leave the rest of the year free from repeats. As a film lover, you should want to see a different lineup for each of the ten remaining months of the year. Is that too much to ask? And I'm not asking for more documentaries, tv playhouse dramas, or other filler stuff, which is all it is.

 

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You sure do make a broad assumption on what everyone does when watching TCM.

 

You are assuming that everyone tapes, or records movies on DVDRs or other technology. I would bet that less than half of those watching TCM never tapes any of the programs.

 

I used to tape all the time. Never do any more. Why? Just do not want to. Plus if I really want a film on tape or a DVD, and it is available I will buy the DVD of the film.

 

If it is not on DVD, then I will wait until it is available on DVD.

 

As far as repeats are concerned, I think there are several reasons for this:

 

1. TCM rents films to be shown. They probably have to show the film more than once to satisfy the rental agreement. I am not sure about this but it would make sense. Kyle and or Lynn would know more about this.

 

2. When a repeat is aired, the original listing for the film may have been too late in the evening for anyone who does not have the ability to record a chance to see it at a better time.

 

3. If most people are like me, they are going to have a repeat viewing of the film anyway, especially if it is a favorites of theirs.

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*"I appreciate your response, but in today's day and age of DVR's, recordable DVDs, VHS, whatever else is out there, there is no reason for anyone to miss anything that is shown on TCM, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR at the most. If anyone does miss something, TOUGH $$%@#$, it is their own fault. This is not a valid excuse for TCM to air so many repeats during the course of a year."* - infinite1

 

TIme-Shifting should not be a pre-requisite to enjoying all that TCM offers. That was my big beef with the scheduling of Hal Roach month. Recording the materials was necessary to see them all. It was not convenient - even for those with recording devices - to watch at the time they were shown or to record for viewing later. If TCM approached every day of the year that way, I would interpret that as a disregard for the audience and a refusal to acknowledge that most viewers do have interests beyond TCM, let alone other demands on their time.

 

And, as Rey pointed out, multiple showings are standard business procedures in rental agreements. It drives the price of film rental down and gives TCM much more flexiblity with scheduling.

 

If I was TCM, the last thing I would ever do is say "TOUGH" to my viewers because they don't don't know how to time-shift, do not have the appropriate equipment to record one channel while watching a second channel or experience any one of a number malfunctions that can foul-up a recording.

 

*"As a film lover, you should want to see a different lineup for each of the ten remaining months of the year. Is that too much to ask?."*

 

That's completely unreasonable. It is a pipe dream to expect TCM to provide 3500 - 4000 different titles over a ten month period. It is cost prohibitive. Besides, name me any movie channel that doesn't repeat films. I think it is quite the achievement that TCM rarely repeats titles in the same month. Most are repeating them in the same week and even on the same day. And viewers are paying a premium for those channels.

 

And I don't want my television viewing habits determined solely by what TCM is showing on every single day of the week - let alone for ten months of the year - because the films shown won't be offered again. As a West-Coaster, I consider it a great service that TCM repeats films at various hours and on different days of the week. Every day on TCM should not have to be "must-see TV." Nor should it be the only channel that fulfills any one person's entertainment needs every hour of every day. That's what an unlimited Netflix subscrition is for.

 

Kyle (Watching The Amazing Race Premiere Tonight) In Hollywood

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Regardless of who might be defining it, a "classic" film is simply a matter of opinion. Not fact. I think all films should be seen, and if you enjoy some and not others, so be it. The decade a film is made has absolutely no bearing on its quality or worth over any other film, from any other decade. I do, however, like it when TCM shows films you aren't likely to see on every other channel. The year they're made is completely immaterial to my enjoyment of them.

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> {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote}

> , but in today's day and age of DVR's, recordable DVDs, VHS, whatever else is out there, there is no reason for anyone to miss anything that is shown on TCM, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR at the most. If anyone does miss something, TOUGH $$%@#$, *it is their own fault.*

 

Sadly, this is just not true. I have two Comcast Motorola 250GB DVRs, and two 160GB DVDRs. I sometimes program two recordings, one on TCM SD, and one on TCMHD. Even so, I'd say that about once a month, there is a screwup that is NOT my fault. With the newer DVRs, there is a DVR history function. One can check that, and find multiple reasons why what they programmed failed to record, due to errors of the DVR, not the human programming it. Also, there are other things that screw up recordings. Sometimes the cable program guide has incorrect scheduling. Sometimes TCM runs over so much that even though I always pad recording times, I may miss a few minutes of the end, or beginning. Sometimes TCM didn't have the OAR on the first showing. Then, there are the cable co.'s weekly Emergency Broadcast Tests. :(

 

I have literally hundreds of films recorded from TCM that I haven't had time to watch yet, and I do watch a lot. I would like it if TCM repeated some of their premiers, and rarely shown films more. Yes, there are a few things that seem to crop up repeatedly that I could do without. But, there are some things that bear a few repeats!

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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}

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> TIme-Shifting should not be a pre-requisite to enjoying all that TCM offers. That was my big beef with the scheduling of Hal Roach month. Recording the materials was necessary to see them all. It was not convenient -

 

I liked the several 24 hours series of shorts in January, because I got to record them all in a row. 6 hours of VHS, then 6 hours of DVD, then I change tapes and DVD for 6 more hours each. I eventually dubbed them all to master DVDs and removed all the commercials.

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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}

> One can check that, and find multiple reasons why what they programmed failed to record, due to errors of the DVR, not the human programming it.

 

Sometimes these machines do crazy things. Last week I set my VHS timer to record ?Street Angel?. When the recording started, I noticed it was the DVD side that was recording it, and I had only 26 minutes left on the DVD. This machine won?t let me program a long movie on the DVD side if the DVD doesn?t have enough time to record the full film. So something went wrong inside the electronics of the machine.

 

It took me about 20 minutes to figure out what to do. I waited for a long segment, with the boyfriend walking home, I stoped the DVD at about 24 minutes, I switched over to the VHS and started it, and I only missed about 10 seconds of his walk. The next day I dubbed the DVD portion to DVD and the VHS portion at the end of that, so I have the whole movie.

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> {quote:title=fxreyman wrote:}{quote}

> You sure do make a broad assumption on what everyone does when watching TCM.

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> You are assuming that everyone tapes, or records movies on DVDRs or other technology. I would bet that less than half of those watching TCM never tapes any of the programs.

 

That is your assumption, based on what? I base mine on the amount of recordable options that are available.

 

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> I used to tape all the time. Never do any more. Why? Just do not want to. Plus if I really want a film on tape or a DVD, and it is available I will buy the DVD of the film.

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> If it is not on DVD, then I will wait until it is available on DVD.

 

You are assuming that every film you want will eventually be available on DVD? Considering the state of the economy, that's wishful thinking on your part.

 

>

> As far as repeats are concerned, I think there are several reasons for this:

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> 1. TCM rents films to be shown. They probably have to show the film more than once to satisfy the rental agreement. I am not sure about this but it would make sense. Kyle and or Lynn would know more about this.

 

So why is this not the policy with every film that TCM shows, yet some fims are shown only once, then disapear for a number of months or years?

 

>

> 2. When a repeat is aired, the original listing for the film may have been too late in the evening for anyone who does not have the ability to record a chance to see it at a better time.

 

So, TCM is all of a sudden concerned about viewers that don't have any recordable media. If that was the case they wouldn't be a 24/7 channel. I don't know of anyone without a recorder of some kind that stays up the whole night to watch TCM. So why have any programming on after hours at all?

 

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> 3. If most people are like me, they are going to have a repeat viewing of the film anyway, especially if it is a favorites of theirs.

 

How many repeat viewings of a "favorite" film in a close proximity of time, lets say, once or twice a month, would it take to make you turn off the film? Two months, three months?

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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}

> *"I appreciate your response, but in today's day and age of DVR's, recordable DVDs, VHS, whatever else is out there, there is no reason for anyone to miss anything that is shown on TCM, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR at the most. If anyone does miss something, TOUGH $$%@#$, it is their own fault. This is not a valid excuse for TCM to air so many repeats during the course of a year."* - infinite1

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> TIme-Shifting should not be a pre-requisite to enjoying all that TCM offers. That was my big beef with the scheduling of Hal Roach month.

 

YOU MEAN YOU ACTUALLY HAD A BEEF WITH TCM?????? I'M SHOCKED.

 

>Recording the materials was necessary to see them all. It was not convenient - even for those with recording devices - to watch at the time they were shown or to record for viewing later. If TCM approached every day of the year that way, I would interpret that as a disregard for the audience and a refusal to acknowledge that most viewers do have interests beyond TCM, let alone other demands on their time.

 

Technically TCM does approach every day of the year that way by programming 24/7.

 

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> And, as Rey pointed out, multiple showings are standard business procedures in rental agreements. It drives the price of film rental down and gives TCM much more flexiblity with scheduling.

 

Only for certain movies. Some films are shown only once then vanish for months or years. Funny that it's the usual films like AMERICAN IN PARIS, that most people know backwards and forwards, that get the repeat treatment.

 

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> If I was TCM, the last thing I would ever do is say "TOUGH" to my viewers because they don't don't know how to time-shift, do not have the appropriate equipment to record one channel while watching a second channel or experience any one of a number malfunctions that can foul-up a recording.

 

Well, I'm not TCM, so I can say it. I would never expect TCM to say it, why would they? They are doing what they want anyway. Your HAL ROACH "beef" is an excellent example.

 

>

> *"As a film lover, you should want to see a different lineup for each of the ten remaining months of the year. Is that too much to ask?."*

>

> That's completely unreasonable. It is a pipe dream to expect TCM to provide 3500 - 4000 different titles over a ten month period. It is cost prohibitive. Besides, name me any movie channel that doesn't repeat films. I think it is quite the achievement that TCM rarely repeats titles in the same month. Most are repeating them in the same week and even on the same day. And viewers are paying a premium for those channels.

 

Completely unreasonable? Yes and no. If I accept your 3500-4000 numbers as accurate. Yes, if TCM was completely autonomous, but as was stated in another post, TCM has TIME-WARNER's money backing them up. Also, wouldn't it make more sense to leave a few months between repeats, not to shoot them out in three or four month blocks? At least then it would give the illusion of a more varied line-up. But, yes, unfortunately your are right about pay movie channels. I guess it's wrong of me to hold TCM to a higher level of performance, after all they're just another run of the mill movie channel.

 

>

> And I don't want my television viewing habits determined solely by what TCM is showing on every single day of the week - let alone for ten months of the year - because the films shown won't be offered again. As a West-Coaster, I consider it a great service that TCM repeats films at various hours and on different days of the week. Every day on TCM should not have to be "must-see TV." Nor should it be the only channel that fulfills any one person's entertainment needs every hour of every day. That's what an unlimited Netflix subscrition is for.

 

I do not limit my TV viewing to TCM only. However, If there is something I want to watch on TCM at the same time that I am surfing between MSNBC or FOX NEWS, I will either record or miss it. If I have to miss it and it is not one of the usual suspects that will garner an automatic repeat, so be it. I don't cry over it. I'll turn on ENCORE WESTERN and watch a repeat of McLintock or is that AMC, oh, I forgot it's both, sometimes at the same time.

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> Kyle (Watching The Amazing Race Premiere Tonight) In Hollywood

Thought you had better taste then that.

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*"YOU MEAN YOU ACTUALLY HAD A BEEF WITH TCM?????? I'M SHOCKED."* - infinite1

 

See. There's a _lot_ you don't know.

 

*"Thought you had better taste then that."*

 

And I thought you could discuss a subject without being rude or --demeaning-- condescending.

 

Kyle In Hollywood

 

Edited by: hlywdkjk on Feb 23, 2011 7:36 AM

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