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[B]TCM's official definition of "classic"[/B]


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With all this bellowing from the hilltops from a few here once again about what is classic and what does not belong on TCM, it got me searching for TCM's official definition. It was something I knew I posted here back in 2006. When someone argued here in the last day or so that TCM should remove the word "Classic" from their name, I knew it was time to reprint it.

 

This comes directly from a TCM brand notebook of that time:

 

*WHAT'S CLASSIC?*

*Is it old?*

*Can it be new?*

*Often, a classic is the best of its kind.*

*Sometimes, it's the worst.*

*Either way, it stands out.*

*A classic always stands out.*

*Classic can mean different things to different people.*

*Your parents idea of classic is probably different than yours.*

*Your kids idea of classic is probably different, too.*

*Everybody has a classic.*

*Sometimes classic means the original,*

*Or the best-known,*

*Or the first of its kind.*

*Sometimes it means one of a kind.*

*You could argue that classic is extreme:*

*The saddest of the sad,*

*The bravest of the brave,*

*The gosh-darn charmingest of the charming.*

*Of all the things classic is, the one thing it's not is one thing.*

*Classic is too big to be pinned down, too universal to be selfish.*

*Classic belongs to everybody.*

*Everybody has a classic.*

*Is it old? Yes.*

*Can it be new? Yes.*

*So, what's classic?*

*Turner Classic Movies.*

*THAT'S CLASSIC.*

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> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote}

> No, it cannot be new...not on TCM anyway.

Why? Because it has the word "Classic" in its title? You're putting your own judgement on the word again. But as TCM states, classic is of every age. Before you or others state that is not what Turner Classic Movies is about, you now have their official word that it _is_. Much as you may have your own feeling about what Turner Classic Movies should be, this is what they said. I wanted to print it so we can now, once and for all, lay to rest this volatile topic.

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> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote}

> A very obscure old movie that hardly anyone knows wouldn't seem to fit within their definition. Still, most of us welcome it because it enhances our knowledge.

 

If you want to enhance your knowledge, read a book.

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Did you see Franchot Tone in ?The Unguarded Hour? (1936) last month? It was shown at 5 AM my time. I?ve never seen it shown on TCM before. I made a lucky choice to record it. It?s a fine murder mystery with a lot of good and unusual stuff in it. I?ll bet most people missed it because it was on TCM so early.

 

*5:00 AM The Unguarded Hour, (1936)*

 

*A blackmailer tries to stop a woman from revealing evidence that could save a condemned man. Cast: Franchot Tone, Loretta Young, Roland Young. Dir: Sam Wood. BW-87 mins, TV-G, CC*

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?Sometimes classic means the original,

Or the best-known,

Or the first of its kind.?

 

No it doesn?t. The term ?Classic? comes from music, opera, art, and literature, meaning ?the old classics? rather than the new junk.

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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}

> Did you see Franchot Tone in "The Unguarded Hour" (1936) last month? It was shown at 5 AM my time. I?ve never seen it shown on TCM before. I made a lucky choice to record it. It?s a fine murder mystery with a lot of good and unusual stuff in it. I?ll bet most people missed it because it was on TCM so early.

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> *5:00 AM The Unguarded Hour, (1936)*

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> *A blackmailer tries to stop a woman from revealing evidence that could save a condemned man. Cast: Franchot Tone, Loretta Young, Roland Young. Dir: Sam Wood. BW-87 mins, TV-G, CC*

Fred, we are not discussing what time a film is aired. That is not what this thread is about.

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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}

> ?Sometimes classic means the original,

> Or the best-known,

> Or the first of its kind.?

>

> No it doesn't. The term "Classic" comes from music, opera, art, and literature, meaning "the old classics" rather than the new junk.

Says you. Not TCM.

 

My whole purpose for this thread was to lay to rest all this controversery of what "TCM should show" that has been making the threads boil over for years now. It's their network and they will play things from all eras, because classic - according to their definition - doesn't belong to one time period.

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*A very obscure old movie that hardly anyone knows wouldn't seem to fit within their definition*

 

Finance,

 

Sure it does:

 

Sometimes it means one of a kind.

You could argue that classic is extreme:

The saddest of the sad,

The bravest of the brave,

The gosh-darn charmingest of the charming.

Of all the things classic is, the one thing it's not is one thing.

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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}

> My whole purpose for this thread was to lay to rest all this controversery of what "TCM should show"

 

What TCM should show is what I am paying it to show, and what I started out paying it to show in 1994:

 

Classic old movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood.

 

 

That means no ?Night of the Lepus? crap from 1972.

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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}

> What TCM should show is what I am paying it to show, and what I started out paying it to show in 1994: Classic old movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood.

> That means no ?Night of the Lepus? crap from 1972.

 

By _your_ definition. What I am trying to say is that our perception and assumptions are just that, our own. TCM is taking the bigger picture.

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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}

> It's their network

 

No, it?s our network because we are paying for it. Like when we buy a car, it?s our car. If a company sells junky cars, we won?t buy them, and the company goes out of business.

 

What you are looking for is The Yugo Channel.

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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}

> TCM is taking the bigger picture.

 

I?m not paying for ?the bigger picture?. I?m paying for classic films from the Golden Age of Hollywood.

 

If you want a ?bigger picture?, change your channel to AMC.

 

Here?s ?the bigger picture?:

 

http://movies.amctv.com/schedule/index.php

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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}

> what I want are movies from all ages.

 

What you want is some of your favorite modern films with no commercials. I suggest you subscribe to some of the modern film channels and leave TCM alone before you ruin it.

 

You want Yugos and Corvairs on a Rolls Royce channel.

 

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THIS JUST IN:

 

MUBARAK RESIGNS IN EGYPT!

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LOL, Fred, you can be a stubborn ol' cuss. You keep seeing only what you want. This really isn't Fred's Classic Movies.

 

By the way, if it is your network, the staff would like you to give them raises.

 

You have what TCM wrote in the original post. It's for everybody.

 

In the words of Ben Franklin in "1776": " ...So, either learn to live with them, or pack up and go home! In any case, stop acting like a Boston fish wife."

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Anyway, since it is now buried under all this stuff, let me restate what TCM said in its TCM brand notebook and let others see why I created this thread:

 

*WHAT'S CLASSIC?*

*Is it old?*

*Can it be new?*

*Often, a classic is the best of its kind.*

*Sometimes, it's the worst.*

*Either way, it stands out.*

*A classic always stands out.*

*Classic can mean different things to different people.*

*Your parents idea of classic is probably different than yours.*

*Your kids idea of classic is probably different, too.*

*Everybody has a classic.*

*Sometimes classic means the original,*

*Or the best-known,*

*Or the first of its kind.*

*Sometimes it means one of a kind.*

*You could argue that classic is extreme:*

*The saddest of the sad,*

*The bravest of the brave,*

*The gosh-darn charmingest of the charming.*

*Of all the things classic is, the one thing it's not is one thing.*

*Classic is too big to be pinned down, too universal to be selfish.*

*Classic belongs to everybody.*

*Everybody has a classic.*

*Is it old? Yes.*

*Can it be new? Yes.*

*So, what's classic?*

*Turner Classic Movies.*

*THAT'S CLASSIC.*

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