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>C. Bogle wrote:

>I had forgotten the details of the episode about Andy's bad call and that Howard admitted he didn't know a whole lot about sports. I guess it makes a difference if you're not trying to impress the kid brother of a pretty dance hall employee.

 

Or Gomer's girlfriend. :-)

 

>I guess Barney was a bit hyper to fit into a small town, a little bit of TV exaggeration. There were times he seemed to be on a natural form of speed, though he dozed off quite a lot too.

 

What you said earlier about Barney being a goofball--I have seen plenty of those in small towns. It is the hyper part, as you say, that seems a little out of place to me. But it's always funny. It is funny that there were quite a few episodes where Andy caught him napping and played tricks on him, like hiding his shoes, or changing his cap.

 

>They just happened to run the Aunt Bee the Warden episode on the local station last Saturday. She really put the kibosh on Otis, though his pledge to not drink again didn't take. I liked how Barney gave out the work sets--wood working, metal working, leather working and-- a Mr. Potato Head set. Huh? I don't think that was of much help in terms of future employment prospects. Of course they used the metal working set to make a skeleton key and escape. Deputy Fife strikes again.

 

Yeah, I mentioned most of this when we were talking about the episode in which Warren tried to rehabilitate Otis by getting him into painting. Even though Barney's craft kits are directed at the other four prisoners instead of Otis, the two episodes share some similarities, including the fact that craft kits are being used for rehabilitation (Warren gives one to Otis). In the end, neither attempt to rehabilitate Otis stuck, although he had given up the bottle by the time of the TV movie.

 

Otis did not appear at all in the last season. I often wondered why, and someone said maybe someone decided drunks were no longer funny. I know they toned down the drinking on MASH at some point in the show.

 

I like how one of the hardened criminals says with some enthusiasm, "I'll take the Mr. Potato Head set!"

 

An interesting fact--Andy's hand being bandaged in this episode, and in one other episode before or after, was real--Andy had hurt his hand in real life somehow. I read once that he claimed he got to laughing so hard at something that he punched his hand through a wall and that's how he hurt it, but this story seems a little hard to believe.

 

>I don't have the DVD's, but I'll bet the commercials are fun to watch. Are there any cigarette ones? Andy didn't smoke very often, but every once in a while he'd light up. It seems he did it more in the bw episodes than in the color ones.

 

I haven't seen any cigarette commercials yet, but I haven't watched them all. A lot of them are commercials for coffee--Sanka, I believe. They did a lot of coffee drinking on the show--they were all drinking coffee in the barbershop when Barbara Eden got off the bus. Howard had his own coffeepot in his office, there was one in the back of the courthouse--there was coffee all over.

 

You're right, I don't remember him smoking in any of the color episodes.

 

>I saw Sitting Pretty a year or so ago on FMC. I think I recognized Betty Lynn as much by her voice as by her face. I've never caught any of the sequels for whatever reason.

 

TCM aired the Belvedere sequels earlier this year. I recognized Betty Lynn the same way you did once when FMC was airing Mother Was a Freshman -- I was in another room and heard her voice and instantly recognized it, and went into the room where the TV was to see if it really was her (OK, grammarians, "she"), and it was.

 

>It doesn't help that there are now 32 baseball teams. so they're even harder to remember. I was watching the national news last night and they ran the story of the umpire who missed the call at home plate in the Braves Pirates game. This one wasn't as close as Opie's slide into home, so Andy needn't feel too bad, though it was still probably a good idea for Helen and Aunt Bee to destroy the evidence.

 

I always wondered what would have happened if Helen and Aunt Bee had revealed the evidence? Can the results of a game like that be changed if new evidence is revealed days or weeks later? Is there a "statute of limitations" on it? I don't know enough about sports to know whether the ruling is "final" immediately, or if it can be overturned weeks later or not.

 

>I had brain lock on which actress was playing the role of the wife in the episode where Opie meets all the rich kids. Then it hit me that it was probably Joyce Van Patten. I'll have to check it out on imdb just to make sure.

 

You are correct, sir! I looked it up on tv.com and it is Joyce Van Patten. She sure looks a lot like Swoosie Kurtz to me, although I had already checked tv.com several years ago when I saw this episode and found out it was not Swoosie Kurtz. I had forgotten that it was Joyce Van Patten, though.

 

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>I had guessed that Mabel was in about half a dozen episodes, but according to imdb it was only four, so she was there for a very specific role, which she was hilarious in. It would have been interesting to see how she interacted with Aunt Bee or Clara. I imagine she would have been as stubborn in other matters as she was with anything concerning her boy Howie. It would have made an interesting what if.

 

Actually she did interact with Clara--Aunt Clara on Bewitched. :-)

 

Well, half a dozen is not very far off from four. :-) I think I would have guessed four, as that seems right to me--I knew she was only in a very small number of episodes. I was actually more surprised to find out from shemp how few times Allan Melvin guest starred on the show--I thought he had been in a lot more than 8 episodes of TAGS.

 

When this thread first started I wondered the same thing about how Mrs. Sprague would have interacted with Bee and Clara. All three could be catty--who would have won? I'm guessing Mrs. Sprague, because Bee and Clara would usually only go so far--there seemed to be a line of courtesy they usually did not cross. It seems to me I remember some B&W episodes in which Bee acquiesced to some difficult people, although I cannot remember any specifically at the moment. Well, actually, Bee often acquiesced to Clara. Clara was less likely to acquiesce to anyone, but even she would only be catty up to a point. Still, it could have made for some great fireworks on the show if all of them had gotten into it. :-)

 

Speaking of difficult TAGS character--this reminds me of one time about ten years ago when there was a web site for guessing a sitcom character--you think of a character, and the web site asks you questions and tries to guess the character. It was basically a database that built up its knowledge by being used--if it didn't guess the correct character, it would add the character using the facts that had been learned by asking the user questions. The site may still be around, although I don't remember the URL anymore. Anyway, I chose what I thought was the relatively obscure Emma Watson from TAGS. I knew it was all over when the web site asked me, "Are you a hypochondriac?" It correctly guessed her, which means someone else had tried earlier and it had "learned" about Emma Watson from that person.

 

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The TAGS episode "Aunt Bee, the Juror" was on TV Land yesterday. This was Jack Nicholson's second appearance on the show, the first being "Opie Finds a Baby."

 

They also showed "The Tape Recorder." Boy, Opie and Arnold sure got into some weird stuff--finding babies, tape recording prisoners. Of course, in the real world the prisoner would have used what Opie and Arnold did to get himself acquitted (or a mistrial, or whatever) due to his rights have been violated. But it did make for a nice sentimental story.

 

And speaking of weird, they also showed "Opie's Group." The turtlenecks make me cringe--bring back the green-and-orange plaid shirt! :-) Actually I noticed in "Opie Steps Up in Class" last week that he had three or four different plaid shirts in that episode, so he didn't always were the green-and-orange one. But I think I like that one best!

 

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More coffee for old Barn--that's all we need. It seems to me that

Andy usually smoked when he had some kind of problem or a tough

decision to make. If I remember correctly, one time he lit up was

when the ex-convict was coming to visit him and he wasn't sure

exactly what it meant, though it all turned out fine in the end.

 

 

 

If Andy's mistaken call had happened today, there probably would have

been about 50 photos and tapes of his call. He was lucky there was

only Aunt Bee's photo. Usually in baseball the call stays, especially

days or weeks after the game, so he didn't have to worry about that

aspect of it.

 

I love the part in the rock band episode when Opie is told his playing

is good, but he needs to work on his image, and then he goes slang

crazy. Hey those are some groovy potato chips, and this onion dip

is so cool. Wow, dig these far out paper napkins. I saw all four episodes

on Sunday and the green and orange shirt didn't turn up in any of them--

that's very unusual, though in one episode Arnold had on a very bright

reddish plaid shirt. Opie's other plaid shirts sort of fade into the background,

they were very muted compared to old faithful.

 

I think Mrs. Sprague would have "won" too. She seemed to have a certain

stubborn determination that the other two ladies didn't, at least most of

the time. Yep, you had to keep an eye on Clara, she could be snippy. They

showed the episode about the explorer who visits Mayberry. Clara has her

eye on him, but he is only interested in Aunt Bee. So at the dinner party she

gets angry and says she has a headache and leaves in a huff. It didn't take

much to get Clara riled up.

 

It took me a while to think of Joyce Van Patten. I knew she looked familiar.

I meant to check it on imdb, but forgot all about it.

 

 

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>More coffee for old Barn--that's all we need. It seems to me that Andy usually smoked when he had some kind of problem or a tough decision to make. If I remember correctly, one time he lit up was when the ex-convict was coming to visit him and he wasn't sure exactly what it meant, though it all turned out fine in the end.

 

Yeah, I can picture Andy standing on the front porch all alone, smoking, mulling something over. Seems to me he did something like that before deciding to go down to the courthouse to see the female prisoner (Susan Oliver) again, and catching her escaping right as he arrived.

 

>If Andy's mistaken call had happened today, there probably would have been about 50 photos and tapes of his call. He was lucky there was only Aunt Bee's photo. Usually in baseball the call stays, especially days or weeks after the game, so he didn't have to worry about that aspect of it.

 

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Does it vary from sport to sport? Like, I thought I heard once that after a bad call in a soccer game for the World Cup, something was done to adjust the outcome days afterward, and someone commented that would never happen in baseball.

 

>I love the part in the rock band episode when Opie is told his playing is good, but he needs to work on his image, and then he goes slang crazy. Hey those are some groovy potato chips, and this onion dip is so cool. Wow, dig these far out paper napkins. I saw all four episodes on Sunday and the green and orange shirt didn't turn up in any of them--that's very unusual, though in one episode Arnold had on a very bright reddish plaid shirt. Opie's other plaid shirts sort of fade into the background, they were very muted compared to old faithful.

 

Aunt Bee must have been washing the shirt on Sunday :-)

 

One episode TV Land showed on Saturday which they did not show on Sunday was "Howard's Main Event." This was the one in which Howard "dukes it out" with Millie's ex-boyfriend, played by Allan Melvin.

 

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With a sexy prisoner like Susan Oliver, I'm surprised he didn't

smoke a whole pack of cigarettes.

 

Yes, that one wasn't on Sunday. As already mentioned, the

fist into the palm thing worked the first time for Howard, but

not the second. Bam.

 

Maybe Aunt Bee was washing it--it probably needed it after

all the wear and tear it got.

 

I'm not very familiar with soccer, so I don't know the rules.

Football has a replay system to look at disputed calls and

baseball has a restrictive replay that can only look at home

runs during the playoffs, at least I think that's the way it works.

Of course back in the mid and late 1960s there were no replays

and you were stuck with the officials' call. And naturally there

wouldn't be anything in Little League. Andy dodged a bullet

on that one, at least after the good citizens settled down after

reading Howard's column.

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>I'm not very familiar with soccer, so I don't know the rules. Football has a replay system to look at disputed calls and baseball has a restrictive replay that can only look at home runs during the playoffs, at least I think that's the way it works. Of course back in the mid and late 1960s there were no replays and you were stuck with the officials' call. And naturally there wouldn't be anything in Little League. Andy dodged a bullet on that one, at least after the good citizens settled down after reading Howard's column.

 

I seem to remember something last year about an adjustment being made days after a World Cup game due to a bad call, and a commentator saying that would never happen in baseball, and it sparked a brief discussion about the differences in the sports. I seem to remember someone saying in football they can replay immediately to determine the accuracy of the call, but not so in baseball. I always wondered why there is so much difference in the use of technology to determine accuracy between the different sports. As you can see, I wasn't kidding when I said I am definitely a "Howard" when it comes to sports, although I probably do know the rules of baseball better than he does since I did play Little League as a child. I just don't know much about the national teams. I do know some of the teams, like the Dodgers (and I know they used to be the Brooklyn Dodgers), the Mets, the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Cubs, the Orioles, etc., but I couldn't name them all.

 

I noticed one of the "good citizens" of the town in The Wild One on TCM last night with Marlon Brando was Will Wright--the first (and best) Ben Weaver from The Andy Griffith Show. He was the first one to get in an auto accident with one of the bikers. He seemed to be playing the same ornery character he did on TAGS. Wonder how Andy and Barney would have handled that gang coming through Mayberry?

 

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Haven't seen The Wild One in a while and forgot he was in it,

but I can certainly picture him as a cranky solid citizen who

has no use for motorcycle punks.

 

I don't think Andy and Barney would stand much of a chance

against a horde of tough guy motorcyclists, especially if they

came to Mayberry while Barney was tooling around in his own

sickle. That would be the end of Checkpoint Chickie. And imagine

what they'd do to the diner. Ouch. This is no time for a sheriff

without a gun. You need a sheriff with an AK-47.

 

Of course there are limitations on the number of football replays

and the team loses a timeout if the decision on the replay goes

against them. Baseball seems to keep to its traditions more than

most other sports, maybe that's why they have been more hesitant

to adopt the new technologies.

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>Haven't seen The Wild One in a while and forgot he was in it, but I can certainly picture him as a cranky solid citizen who has no use for motorcycle punks.

 

I also saw Will Wright playing an ornery judge in a movie on the Encore Westerns channel last night: The Iron Sheriff. And I remember he played an ornery sheriff in Tennessee Ernie Ford's hometown as the Ricardos went across country to Hollywood on I Love Lucy, as well as having played an ornery locksmith on I Love Lucy. The question was asked whether Mabel Albertson ever played a pleasant character, and I have to wonder the same about Will Wright.

 

>I don't think Andy and Barney would stand much of a chance against a horde of tough guy motorcyclists, especially if they came to Mayberry while Barney was tooling around in his own sickle. That would be the end of Checkpoint Chickie. And imagine what they'd do to the diner. Ouch. This is no time for a sheriff without a gun. You need a sheriff with an AK-47.

 

It didn't seem that the lawman in charge in The Wild One was doing much better of a job handling them than Andy and Barney would have. Now, if Mrs. Sprague had been around, that might have been a different story... :-) I loved Checkpoint Chickie in "Barney's Sidecar"! That was hilarious. At first he was tossing the term around tentatively to Andy, but after riding roughshod over the first truck driver he got more confident and as he pulled the next truck driver over, it was "Welcome to Checkpoint Chickie!"

 

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The question was asked whether Mabel Albertson ever played a pleasant character, and I have to wonder the same about Will Wright.

 

It's been a while since I've seen it, but wasn't Will Wright the man who was giving Frankie a shot at being employed in THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM. Only Frankie blew it by getting high before the audition.

 

His casino owner in THE LAS VEGAS STORY was a decent guy and he has a bit as an investigator questioning Robert Cummings in Hitchcock's SABOTEUR.

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Checkpoint Chickie is one of those phrases that is just so funny you laugh

as soon as you hear it, sort of like Barney's "the rock." I guess actors like

Will Wright and Mabel Albertson played some nicer parts, but their bread

and butter roles were of the crusty, crotchety type. Might as well go with the

flow. I had forgotten that Will Wright played the nosy old house detective

in The Blue Dahlia. And at the end he turned out to have done much worse

things than old Ben Weaver ever thought of.

 

Maybe Mrs. Sprague would have been the only person left standing between

Mayberry and the cyclists from hell.

 

Anybody seen Ken Osmond's commercial for St. Joseph's aspirin? It plays off

the Eddie Haskell character and is pretty clever. Yep, he's still got it.

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Some interesting episodes of The Andy Griffith Show aired today (Saturday) on TV Land:

 

Mabel Albertson's brother Jack ( Chico and the Man, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory ) guest starred as "Aunt Bee's Cousin." Clara was her usual persnickety self.

 

Maudie Prickett played Mrs. Larch, one of Andy's laundromat customers, in "The Investment." Ken Lynch appeared as the head of the SBI in this episode. He played a similar role in the second episode of the series, "Manhunt," in which he was the head of the state police unit that descended on Mayberry, only to have Andy show them up by tricking the convict into taking his leaky rowboat. Lynch also played a state police officer in "Jailbreak" and an FBI agent in "A Black Day for Mayberry."

 

Howard barely pries open his wallet in "Howard and Millie."

 

>Andy: You know what I might have? The special--fish cakes. Might just hit the spot.

>Howard: You know something, Andy? I had my eye on that baby, too.

>Andy: Did you really?

>Howard: Yeah. You know what I like about fish is it combines a high nutritional value with flavor at a modest price.

>Andy: Can't ask anything more of a fish than that, can you?

>Howard: Anything to start with?

>Andy: Oh, I don't know. Maybe a roll.

>Howard: Well, we certainly have the same tastes. I'm a roll man myself.

 

I still like C. Bogle's line about Howard springing for pats of butter. Again, where was Mrs. Sprague? The episode in which she gets married and moves away ("The Wedding") comes 14 episodes later.

 

Charles Thompson steps up from bank guard and veterinarian to become the people doctor, Doc Roberts, in "Suppose Andy Gets Sick?" Interestingly, his character's name in "Goodbye Dolly" was also Dr. Roberts, although supposedly he was a veterinarian in that episode. Maybe Mayberry is not just a one-sheriff town, as Goober calls it (of course, what town isn't a one-sheriff town? A town usually has one sheriff even if it has multiple deputies), but also a one-doctor town: one doctor for both the people and the animals.

 

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Andy wasn't on TV Land this Sunday. They had a Hot In

Cleveland marathon on instead. Thanks, but no thanks.

It worked out well because I wanted to watch Mutiny

on the Bounty on TCM which I haven't seen in a long time.

 

Yes, it looked like Clara was about to spill the dirt on Cousin

Bradford, but he was able to pull one more con on her. This

time the city mouse won.

 

The Howard and Millie episode is one of the funniest of the

color ones, again due to the comic character of Howard.

This time it was his cheapness and that silly hat he wore.

Didn't he want to go to some cave for the honeymoon trip?

That's Howard. Millie got a huge break when they decided to

call the whole thing off. My theory is that Mrs. Sprague was

so traumatized by the idea that her boy would get married

(and to a bakery salesgirl!!) that she had to take to her bed.

 

 

The dialog about what to order for dinner is hilarious, and

then Millie comes in and blows Howie's budget out of the

water. Yes, it's going to be a bumpy train ride.

 

 

I remember one of the early manhunt episodes where Andy

got a kick out of the little magnetized cars the big city types

had.

 

 

This weekend the local station ran the episode where Barney's

cousin Virgil from New Jersey visits and he is even more clumsy

than Barney. Michael J. Pollard played the cousin. When he has

to be left alone to get Otis out of the cell Andy retreats to the

back room...and smokes a cigarette.

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>Andy wasn't on TV Land this Sunday. They had a Hot In Cleveland marathon on instead. Thanks, but no thanks. It worked out well because I wanted to watch Mutiny on the Bounty on TCM which I haven't seen in a long time.

 

That's why I try to catch it on Saturday now since you never can tell about Sunday. I'm really glad I caught the "Howard and Millie" episode.

 

>Yes, it looked like Clara was about to spill the dirt on Cousin Bradford, but he was able to pull one more con on her. This time the city mouse won.

 

Clara was her usual persnickety self all the way throughout. It's neat seeing Mabel Albertson's brother in this episode.

 

>The Howard and Millie episode is one of the funniest of the color ones, again due to the comic character of Howard. This time it was his cheapness and that silly hat he wore. Didn't he want to go to some cave for the honeymoon trip? That's Howard. Millie got a huge break when they decided to call the whole thing off. My theory is that Mrs. Sprague was so traumatized by the idea that her boy would get married (and to a bakery salesgirl!!) that she had to take to her bed.

 

Regarding the hat--he looked like he was ready to climb the Swiss Alps. Maybe he was going to climb a mountain in West Virginia. I noticed Millie was ordering a porterhouse steak, shrimp cocktail, and possibly a fancy dessert as well--"we'll see." :-)

 

Mrs. Sprague having taken to her bed--that's a good one!

 

>I remember one of the early manhunt episodes where Andy got a kick out of the little magnetized cars the big city types had.

 

That's in the "Manhunt" episode with Ken Lynch I was talking about.

 

>This weekend the local station ran the episode where Barney's cousin Virgil from New Jersey visits and he is even more clumsy than Barney. Michael J. Pollard played the cousin. When he has to be left alone to get Otis out of the cell Andy retreats to the back room...and smokes a cigarette.

 

My first notice of Pollard was as the leader of the "onlies" in the Star Trek episode "Miri." It was hard to believe they could create a character clumsier than Barney, but they did. Although Barney once broke the glass in the bookcase as well with Opie's slingshot, and in the end of the episode he tears down the back wall of Otis' jail cell, so who's really the clumsier one? :-) In the tag for the episode, as he talks to Andy about Virgil being clumsy, he steps out into traffic and almost gets run over.

 

Our local station showed "Barney's First Car" on Saturday. Gotta love Grandma Esther Walton (Ellen Corby) as the ringleader of the car theft gang...

 

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I'm usually not around to catch the Saturday ones, so sometimes

I get stuck. If one took things seriously, you'd have to say Clara

isn't much of a friend. She can't wait to see if there's something

fishy about her best friend's cousin and then blab it to everyone.

Being a comedy, and already knowing Clara's personality, it's easier

to take.

 

 

Remember the game in The Price Is Right where the little hiker would

go up the mountain? I think he wore that same type of headgear. Oh

Millie, you don't know how lucky you were.

 

 

 

 

 

I thought that was probably the Manhunt episode you mentioned, but

I wasn't sure. In the end the wiseguy captain is shown up by Andy.

 

 

 

The one where Barney buys the car is a good one, with the harpsichord

music when Ellen Corby is there, and the steering wheel rising up along

with the "swami" music. Didn't Allan Melvin play one of her associates?

 

 

 

 

 

The glass in that bookcase should took a lot of punishment over the

years. I've always wondered why they kept the keys to the cells right

in the middle wall between the cells. Why not move them over to the other

side of the office? Of course if they did that, a number of plots would

be lost.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, I haven't seen Star Trek in years. I vaguely remember that episode.

Didn't Kim Darby play the title character?

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Those green hats are called Tyrolean hats. I found out when I went to Octoberfest in Helen, Georgia.

 

I remember Michael J Pollard from early on when he was on The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis--I think he was Maynard G. Krebs' cousin or something and caused problems. It's been a while so it's hard to remember exactly. Did you know he once was married to Beth Howland, who played Vera on the tv show Alice?

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>I'm usually not around to catch the Saturday ones, so sometimes I get stuck.

 

Well, we all got stuck last weekend. No Andy on TV Land Saturday or Sunday. At least our local channel showed it on Saturday.

 

>Remember the game in The Price Is Right where the little hiker would go up the mountain? I think he wore that same type of headgear. Oh Millie, you don't know how lucky you were.

 

She really dodged a bullet on that one.

 

>The one where Barney buys the car is a good one, with the harpsichord music when Ellen Corby is there, and the steering wheel rising up along with the "swami" music. Didn't Allan Melvin play one of her associates?

 

He sure did--in fact, he was the driver waiting in the other car for her after she sold the lemon to Barney. He played a lot of bad guys on TAGS. I was surprised to learn from shemp that he only appeared in 8 episodes on TAGS--it sure seemed like a lot more. He only occasionally played a non-bad guy, like the recruiter who rejected Ernest T. Bass.

 

Ellen Corby was great in that role because it really does seem like she couldn't be a bad person, and the harpsichord music is perfect to support that. When the steering column starts coming up, Andy very calmly said something like, "I don't believe I've ever seen that before." What an understatement!

 

Corby played the leader of a gang of liquor store robbers in an episode of Gomer Pyle, USMC, and a pickpocket in another episode. They really knew how to use her to play against type.

 

>Wow, I haven't seen Star Trek in years. I vaguely remember that episode. Didn't Kim Darby play the title character?

 

She did. The episode was a little frightening when the kids were beating Kirk while it showed one very little girl smiling--a Lord of the Flies thing seemed to be happening.

 

Of course everyone knows her movie role with John Wayne, but Kim Darby was also in a low-budget TV movie called Don't Be Afraid of the Dark which I now see has been remade as a motion picture. (Does Hollywood have any original material left? All the movies are remakes of earlier movies like Planet of the Apes or True Grit or TV shows like Charlie's Angels, or based on existing characters like comic book heroes. Many TV shows are remakes of earlier TV shows now, like 90210 and even a new TV version of Charlie's Angels. I hear new TV show versions of Dallas and Wonder Woman are in the works.) Anyway, the trailers for the new motion picture have been appearing on TV. The TV movie was low-budget but it still scared me a lot as a kid. William Demarest (Uncle Charley, My Three Sons ) was in the TV movie as well. Hopefully the motion picture will be better.

 

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>helenbaby wrote:

>I remember Michael J Pollard from early on when he was on The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis--I think he was Maynard G. Krebs' cousin or something and caused problems. It's been a while so it's hard to remember exactly. Did you know he once was married to Beth Howland, who played Vera on the tv show Alice?

 

I saw him in a episode of Dobie Gillis on MeTV not too long ago, so maybe that was the one. I didn't know he was married to Beth Howland--that's interesting. Hmm, he can break the windows in bookcases and she can spill straws all over the floor. Their home must have been a mess. :-)

 

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And speaking of Dobie Gillis...I noticed the movie Rally 'Round the Flag, Boys! which aired on TCM on Tuesday as part of the Joanne Woodward SUTS day was based on a book by Max Shulman, who created the character of Dobie Gillis in short stories and also created and wrote for the TV show The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.

 

The movie Rally 'Round the Flag, Boys! also featured two prominent Dobie Gillis actors, Dwayne Hickman (Dobie) and Tuesday Weld (Thalia), with Hickman pursuing Weld just as he did on the Dobie Gillis TV show.

 

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>C. Bogle wrote:

>I didn't realize that Andy wasn't on last Saturday either. I know he hasn't been on on Sundays for the last two weeks. Hope that's just temporary. I'm also surprised that Allan Melvin was in only 8 episodes. It certainly did seem like many more. Look out, Grandma Walton's on another crime spree. I haven't watched that show in years, but she could be very persnickety, though nothing that would spill over into illegality.

 

I've seen quite a bit of The Waltons this year. It's running on at least three channels I get--INSP, GMC, and Hallmark.

 

>In a way I can understand the little girl smiling while Kirk was getting beaten up. Sometimes he could be a pain in the neck. Of course we all know JTK will be back, unscathed, in the next episode.

 

Sometimes Kirk he could be a pain in the neck, but he can't rival Helen Crump. ;-) "Miri" was one of the episodes in which he gets his shirt torn and is showing blood. He was famous for getting his shirt ripped and blood on the corner of his mouth in many episodes of Star Trek. Can't remember if the blood in "Miri" was on his lip or not--it certainly was in "The Naked Time."

 

Still I found "Miri" more frightening than the usual conflicts in Star Trek because it really did seem plausible the kids might kill him, and it was being done by kids, rather than aliens (although technically the kids were aliens, even if inhabiting a world that was almost an exact parallel of Earth, following "Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development"). It was creepy a la Lord of the Flies.

 

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>I didn't realize that she was a porn actress, though when I recall her look, it's not surprising. Going boldly where many men have gone before. I know that Grace Lee Whitney had a very rough life for a time after she left the program. I might have this mixed up, but I recall two green women, one played by Susan Oliver and the other by Yvonne Craig.

 

I think I read Pettijohn was a porn actress in The Star Trek Compendium.

 

I know Grace Lee Whitney hit the bottle pretty hard after Star Trek.

 

You're right, I forgot about Yvonne Craig. She played Marta in the episode "Whom Gods Destroy," and Kirk did interact with her. Susan Oliver was the Orion slave I previously mentioned. Oliver also appeared on The Andy Griffith Show as a prisoner.

 

>I do remember that episode of The Wonder Years, though not the details. I'll bet Paul was the Spock character.

 

Of course Paul was Spock--what else? :-)

 

>I had to laugh when Howard said to Andy Time to put the feedbag on. I think feedcup would have been more appropriate. I noticed there was a very brief explanation of what happened to Floyd in one of the episodes. They were talking about things in Emmett's shop and Andy said something like Floyd saved his money and retired and then Emmett took over Floyd's space.

 

I had to laugh when Howard didn't put up much of an argument when Andy offered to pay for dinner on the train ride back. Yes, I mentioned that Floyd retired previously in this thread. As shemp pointed out, in one episode they said Emmett moved his shop from Mount Pilot to Mayberry, but in another episode they said he ran the shop out of his home before moving into Floyd's barbershop.

 

Did Emmett lease the shop from Howard? Remember, in an earlier episode Howard bought the shop and became Floyd's landlord, which started a big fight. In this case, Floyd was the cheapskate, because the agent had told Howard that the rent would need to be raised because of rising costs. Frankly I think Floyd was a bigger cheapskate than Howard.

 

Also, in "Sam for Town Council," Howard says he doesn't have time to run for town council. But isn't he already on the council? In "Politics Begins at Home," he ran against Bee for town council and she conceded to him.

 

>Yes, it was the episode where Archie wanted to feel young again and Arlene was willing to help him along for a fee, just as she did with Archie's buddy Brad, played by Larry Storch. Hey, it's not easy making a good living on what a bakery salesgirl earns. I enjoyed watching the All in the Family primetime reruns on TV Land. Looks like they've moved on to M*A*S*H. Yeah, the way TV Land is run, you have to watch them while you can, cause who knows when they'll be on again.

 

Arlene moved on to M*A*S*H* as well, playing Nurse Edwina (Eddie).

 

TV Land still shows two episodes of All in the Family from (roughly) 7 to 8 p.m. EDT. That works better for me as I am usually watching something else (like TCM) at 8 p.m. TV Land also shows repeats of All in the Family in the daytime at 8 a.m. and 11 a.m. Frankly, I'm glad they cut the evening showings back to just two episodes because three episodes was too much for me to watch at one time.

 

Apparently there's no Andy on TV Land this weekend. Hot in Cleveland marathon all weekend. :-(

 

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I just happened to remember that by chance. I haven't seen Star Trek

in years. The episodes must be stored up somewhere in my memory

banks. Susan Oliver was sexy in green, but she's still better in plain

old black and white.

 

In the recent episode they had Emmett moving into Floyd's old space

from his house. I'll bet Martha was glad to see that. No doubt all the

continuity problems about Howard being Floyd's landlord and already

being on the town council were things they didn't care too much about

and just let pass, if they even thought about them. Howard had a briefcase

full of facts and figures that overwhelmed Aunt Bee's populist message

'Let the people decide.' Even she knew she was beaten.

 

I think Floyd was probably a bit more of a cheapskate than Howard, but it

would have been close. I wouldn't want to be a waitress at the diner depending

on tips from those two.

 

I remember Arlene as Edwina, the klutzy nurse. I'll bet she appeared in a lot

of TV shows during that time. One hour of All in the Family was enough for me

and I think they ran through them at least once. It was fun to see them again.

 

Maybe they'll be back to normal next weekend with both Beaver and Andy on

Sundays. Just when you start to get used to something, they switch things

around. :(

 

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>I just happened to remember that by chance. I haven't seen Star Trek in years. The episodes must be stored up somewhere in my memory banks. Susan Oliver was sexy in green, but she's still better in plain old black and white.

 

What would you and Ruk do without your memory banks? :-) "Yes, it was so long ago... I had forgotten. The old ones here. The ones who made us. Yes, it is still in my memory banks." I agree, Susan Oliver looked better in blank and white.

 

>In the recent episode they had Emmett moving into Floyd's old space from his house. I'll bet Martha was glad to see that. No doubt all the continuity problems about Howard being Floyd's landlord and already being on the town council were things they didn't care too much about and just let pass, if they even thought about them. Howard had a briefcase full of facts and figures that overwhelmed Aunt Bee's populist message 'Let the people decide.' Even she knew she was beaten.

 

For many years...perhaps until Floyd left...to the left of his barbershop was a TV Repair shop. It was to the right of the grocery store, which had a sign with something like "Meats & Produce" (can't remember exactly), which was sometimes Foley's grocery store. And Floyd's was to the left of the courthouse. So from left to right, it went something like (1) Meats and Produce, (2) TV Repair, (3) Floyd's Barbershop, and (4) Courthouse. I always wondered why they didn't just develop the Emmett character as working in the "TV Repair" shop the way they introduced Howard as having been county clerk for some time.

 

>I think Floyd was probably a bit more of a cheapskate than Howard, but it would have been close. I wouldn't want to be a waitress at the diner depending on tips from those two.

 

I wouldn't either. Barney could be pretty cheap too--remember the episode when Ernest T. Bass wanted to join the Army, in which by accident Barney and Andy both tipped the waitress at the diner (the real threadbare diner, not the fancy one that looked more like Morrelli's)? Was the waitress named Olive? Remember Barney wanted to go back and get one of the tips back? Andy chided him, reminding him that she was a widow with four children.

 

And Barney always going dutch with Thelma Lou when they went out once a week, and the rest of the time he was over at her house mooching on her cooking? I seem to remember an episode in which Thelma Lou was complaining that they never did anything special. At the end Barney promised her an "upgraded meal" in the future but it didn't sound much fancier. "From now on, nothing but the steak sandwich special" or something like that. I wish I could remember it better. Which episode was that?

 

>I remember Arlene as Edwina, the klutzy nurse. I'll bet she appeared in a lot of TV shows during that time. One hour of All in the Family was enough for me and I think they ran through them at least once. It was fun to see them again.

 

They've run through the show a couple of times. I've gotten a little tired of it, but it sure was good to see it again for a while.

 

>Maybe they'll be back to normal next weekend with both Beaver and Andy on Sundays. Just when you start to get used to something, they switch things around. :(

 

Let's hope it's back to Beaver and Andy next weekend!

 

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