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I went back and have read quite a bit of the thread "The End Is Near." I can understand how some left as that one got a bit rough. Someone mentioned in that they thought we'd have another discussion by July and here we are still working on the "TCM-RIP" thread. Jack's comment about the one leaving since we keep rehashing the same arguments makes since especially for that topic.

 

I don't really look at other boards as this one is so good and has so many good people. Thanks to all who make it so much fun.

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Hello Everyone,

 

I am pulling this thread up to the top because it is a valuable one on the board and shouldn't be buried. I wish we could anchor some of these threads.

 

Charlie T. -

I do know one can say '****' on the boards but I don't know if one should say it!!!!!! Oh well "poop".........

 

Larry

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Larry,

 

Considering the summer "heat fever" that engulfed so many threads these past few weeks (and have caused some members to either take a break from the boards or just leave), I applaud you bringing this thread back to our attention.

 

Often in the mist of the "heat fever", we tend to forget how damaging words can be not only to others but to ourselves as well.

 

Just because we can say something doesn't always mean we should. There has been a lot of damage done these past few weeks and there are times even I wonder why any of us stay.

 

I love movies and have people in my every day life that I can talk movies with, I keep coming back here because of the posters like you, Mongo, Kyle, Path, Jack and others who are informative, witty and fun to 'talk" to.

 

I'm hoping that this summer "heat fever" runs its course soon and after Labor Day things calm down and we can talk about the thing that brought us here in the first place, movies.

 

Please give Ralph my best and let him know I got that TCM forum he wanted me to start. I miss him and wish him the best.

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Hello Lynn,

 

Thanks for the good words.....

 

The words "Get Over It" have come to mind for several of the posters encountered here but they have been insulted and hurt. So I don't want to enflame and enrage the board even more.

 

Therefore, I say -- we're here to talk movies and movie stars and producers, directors and film studios -- "Let's Get On With It"

 

If you want to know something about the people and events in filmdom, then "Ask Mongo". I know he will do his best to get you the info.

 

Larry

 

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Wow, after 3 and a half hours of reading, all the way back to page 70, and up to 30, when I finally post a reply, I get knocked off the internet. Was it worth it? OH YES!!! Mongo, Thank you for this thread, what a treasure trove of information. Your kniowledge is formidable, and of course Larry's anecdotes are priceless. I have no particular questions now, but now I know where to go for answers.

 

Regarding the summer "heat fever', i tried twice to calm the waters, but found I couldn't, and before I got any deeper in, I stopped reading, I figure I'll go back in a few days, and see if the battle is over.

 

Anyway, thank you again Mongo, and Larry for bringing it back to those of us who never saw it before.

 

Anne

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After thinking about it, I have a couple of comments and one comment/question for you.

First: In one of my favorite all time movies, I never thought to see who played the wonderful Mr. Shunderssan in 'People Will Talk'. It was nice to read and find out that his name was Finlay Currie. Everytime I see him, I say to myself, "that's Mr. Shunderssan".

Secondly: I wish Paul Douglas had been in the original 'Born Yesterday', I never could get warmed up to Broderick Crawford, and I preferred ONLY John Goodman in the remake.

Finally: I don't understand why some people have more than one star in the Walk of Fame. It seems to me that one would be sufficient for any area of entertainment. It seems as if they are giving those stars away rather frivolously these days considering how many '15 minutes of fame' types are receiving them. What is your opinion?

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Hi Anne,

 

Broderick Crawford was given that role because he had just won an Oscar for "All the King's Men" and Columbia wanted to build him up. I don't think it really worked as well as Harry Cohn wanted because a few years later Paul Douglas was the bright light at Columbia, not Crawford any more.

 

You want to catch my thread "Ryan Seacrest vs Marjorie Main" in "Hot Topics" for a debate on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. It about 6 or 7 pages back on that thread.

Enjoy.

 

Larry

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Goof reading, sounds like somebody put a little thinking into where some of the names/stars should go, like Gable and Fields. I like the way the jazz walk of fame is set up in Las Vegas, starting at the Barbary coast and going down the block to Bourbon Street, but the way they keep tearing up Las Vegas, its days are probably numbered as they are both older casinos, and probably due for the salling block soon.

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Larry, first of all I want to thank you for reviving this thread.

To be honest with you it sort of slipped my mind since I've been busy with the Happy Birthday thread. It'll be fun to get back into the thick of things once again. We all had some good rapport here.

 

Lynn, I understand where your coming from about those threads that get heated up. I was involved in a few at one time, until my little grandson said "Grandpa, why even bother yourself with that stuff". And he was right. So I did an about face.

Also thanks for your kind words.

 

Anne, I'm glad that you enjoyed viewing the thread and I appreciate your kudos.

Finley Currie was indeed a grand character actor. And I agree with you about Paul Douglas not playing the part in "Born Yesterday", although Broderick Crawford sort of grew on me. My father use to call him 'Blubberhead".

 

I also wondered why some celebrities have multiple stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Believe it or not Gene Autry has 5 of them. 2 for Motion Pictures, 2 for Recording and 1 for Radio. If you ask me he should just have 3 (he was a fine singer).

Yet, there are still some greats that don't even have one, especially some of the character actors.. Go figure.

 

Feel free to ask questions at any time and I will do my best to oblige.

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Believe it or not Gene Autry has 5 of them. 2 for Motion Pictures, 2 for Recording and 1 for Radio. If you ask me he should just have 3 (he was a fine singer).>>

 

Mongo,

 

I think Gene got his Star for Radio because he bought a radio station early on here in Hollywood and parlayed that into the Golden West Broadcasting Network which made him a Radio Pioneer here in Southern California if I am remembering my history correctly.

 

On a side note, he wrote and had a big hit "Here Comes Santa Claus" which he wrote about the annual Hollywood Christmas Parade that used to go down Hollywood Blvd back in the day. Still does today but back then it was a real parade. In fact, stayed a real parade through most of the 1980s. Then progress stepped in.

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As long as you're here Mr. Mongo, I wonder if you (or any other readers) know how June Havoc is these days? I understand she's living in Wilton, Connecticut. It seems that someone should be interviewing her, or including her on the audio commentary of Gypsy or something...

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June Haver had an affair with Georgie Jessel (mid-1940's), quit Hollywood and became a nun (early 1950's), left convent and married Fred MacMurray (mid-1950's). Don't we lead dull lives? Anyway, she passed away last year.

 

June Havoc was the sister of Gypsy Rose Lee. The musical Gypsy portrays Gypsy's mother as the ultimate stage mother in pushing Baby June to stardom. "Baby June" = June Havoc. I guess she hated Gypsy and the book on which it was based. But she was in a lot of movies: My Sister Eileen, Gentlemen's Agreement, When My Baby Smiles at Me, even Can't Stop the Music.

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Thanks, Jack

 

I know the difference between them, including that Havoc was Baby June, its just that when I talk about either of them, I can't remember which was Mrs. Mac. Maybe now I will. HA! ! ! (Senior, senior brain)

 

BTW, Somewhere I recall someone mentioning Dolores Hart going into the convent, maybe in the Audrey Hepburn thread in connection with 'The Nun'. Anyway, she did enter the convent, but she came out again after about 15 to 20 years.

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TV Alert

 

Lovely Dolores Hart, who became and remained a nun, will appear on the CBS Sunday Morning show between 9 and 10:30 am. from her monastery.

I saw a preview last week, and although not in the best of health, she looks fine.

Enjoy.

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TCM had a good, hour-long documentary on this a few years ago. I have it on tape somewhere. Anyway, there are five categories that someone can get nominated for having a star on the Walk of Fame. They are Film, Television, Radio (Broadcast), Sound Recording and Live Acting (Theater). I don't remember the exact process, but I think each person must be nominated, voted on by a committee, and then funded by the nominators (or whoever else wants to foot the bill). I haven't seen that documentary on in a while, but it explains the whole process thoroughly.

 

At the making of the doc., Gene Autry was the only person to have all five stars. Three people had four: Bob Hope, Mickey Rooney and Tony Martin. And, several people had three stars, including Abbott & Costello. I believe anyone can nominate anybody, but if that person is chosen by the committee, then it's up to the nominators to pay for the star. My memory is a little sketchy as to the exact details of the process, but that's the gist of it. The five categories are distinct, so Gene is not being a hog. He just got nominated and voted in for all of them as he achieved some semblance of success in all areas.

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I'm going to have to watch that,because I know I saw her picture in either the newpaper or a magazine with a whole article covering her short career and the fact that she had already been released from her vows. I must have seen some kind of early form of paparrazi-ism, where a mild rumor is blown up to portray fact.

Thanks Mongo, she always seemed so sweet.

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I loved her in Where The Boys Are she was very beautiful . I think her character's name was Merritt. I will have to watch it on Sunday as there is always some good stories on there and good interviews. I am sure it will be quite interesting to see her . Thank you Mongo for the info and I am glad I caught this

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Mongo:

 

Will you skip down to the Gilbert Roland thread, and check it out? My question is; what happened to Norma Talmadge and the talkies? Did she have a bad accent or just a badly pitched voice or what?

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Anne,

 

Here are a few segments from the Norma Talmadge website, regarding Gilbert Roland and her first talkie.

 

Joseph Schenck had moved over to head United Artists in 1924, but Norma still had a distribution contract with First National. Her last film under this arrangement was Camille, during which time she fell in love with leading man Gilbert Roland. She asked Schenck for a divorce, but he wasn't ready to grant it. Nor, despite his personal feelings, was he going to break up a money-making team, and continued co-starring Roland in her next three films released by United Artists. Unfortunately, UA had distribution problems, and her first film for them, "The Dove", was weak. By the time her next film, "Woman Disputed" was released, the talking film revolution had begun, and Norma began taking voice lessons in preparation.

 

Her first talkie, "New York Nights", showed that she could speak and act acceptably in talkies, but the world was moving on and in the excitement of discovering new favorites, the public was letting go of the old stars. Norma tried a big, important film next, "DuBarry, Woman of Passion", but between incompetent direction and Talmadge's inexperience at a role requiring very demanding vocal acting, it was a dismal failure. She still had two more films on her United Artists contract. Sam Goldwyn announced he had bought "The Greeks Had a Word for It" for her in late 1930, and she reportedly did some stage rehearsals for it in New York, but within a few months she asked to be released from her contract. The role as the cynical golddigger in that film would have been quite a departure for her, and one wonders about her reason for abandoning the effort. She claimed to be searching for the right story, but apparently she never found anything she really wanted to take on, and Du Barry turned out to be her final role.

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Anne,

 

Norma Talmadge died in Las Vegas in the mid -1950s. She had moved there and lived in a house across from Southern Nevada Hospital, now the Medical Center best known for where Roy Horn was taken after being attacked by the white lion, Montecore, a few years back.

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Watched the CBS Sunday Morning show, and Dolores Hart was just a delight, and she makes a lovely nun.

It was a revelation to see this once promising actress, at peace with herself with the choice she made at the Abbey in Connecticut.

It was also interesting to see her visit to Hollywood and the stars that came out to see her, including Patricia Neal.

And her former fiancee, who devoted himself to her and never married. She calls

him a prince of a man.

God bless Mother Dolores.

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G*d D*mn It!!!!

 

I didn't figure on the time zone difference, and I watched that stupid kirk Douglas movie waiting for 9:00 CENTRAL, so when I did, I got Face the Nation. Will there be any excerpts on any other shows, later tonight?

 

Anne

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