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What Is Politically Correct?


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What is Political Correctness, if not one of the worst forms of CENSORSHIP? I just read a request in the "Request A Movie" section of this site and one viewer (PAMINKAN) requested 'Charlie Chan At The Olympics' from 1937. In the request it was stated that those (Charlie Chan?) movies are not shown because they are deemed Politically Incorrect. This sounds like CENSORSHIP to me. If someone finds something objectionable, let them choose to view something else. If you let them take away 'Charlie Chan' today, they may want to take away 'The Marx Brothers' tomorrow (their MORONIC argument being, Karl Marx is the founder of Communism). We are living in a society where a vast majority of the population is intelligent enough to see beyond such silly stereotypes that some narrow minded individuals consider "Politically Incorrect".

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I personally agree. It's sad that some people have become so small-minded and over-sensitive that they take offense to anything outside of accepted norms. Sense of humor is dead. Imagination is gone. Take a look around and you'll see plenty of frightened people who try to push any and all new or dissenting opinion as far away from themselves as they possibly can. You don't achieve tolerance and understanding by living in a bubble and hiding from reality. You achieve these things through education and enlightenment.

 

The Charlie Chan films would be a perfect example... to show those movies might open a dialogue... between parents and children, between spouses, between messageboard users right here... and in the conversation we could all hear one another's stories and learn the most important lesson: WHY ethnic stereotypes can be harmful, and why we as people should not buy into them or repeat them. That's how prejudice dies.

 

But I guess those movies will sit on the shelf, so we can pretend they never happened, so that contented and respectable people like you and me can feel better about ourselves and feign outrage when some genuine lunatic commits a racial hate crime. It's much easier that way...

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I see a common misunderstanding from the two posters here. Businesses, like TCM, should have the right to show the type of content they wish to show. If one doesn't like it they can go elsewhere.

 

This isn't censorship. It is merely a business practicing their right to show what they wish to show. Censorship would be the government preventing a business from showing what they wish to show. So TCM is being PC but I don't label that censorship.

 

I also wish TCM would show the Chan movies. All users can do is ask. But this topic of the Chan movies has been beaten to death. One can buy the movies.

 

 

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While I'm not a fan of being PC (and sometimes in a public forum my wife wishes I was), I find it interesting that those that complain the most about a PC world typically lean right but at the same time they wish to ban all sorts of behaviors, actions and products. i.e. they hate being PC but love to ban or outlaw things.

 

I just don't get that. I would rather have private companies be PC than have the government pass laws banning or restricting behavior, actions or products. Isn't that ironic?

 

 

 

 

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There are things in the world that are much more trouble than they are worth. I do not believe it is censorship if a person choses to not watch or air movies which might create controversy.

 

There are many venues for controversial movies. They are hosted by people who like to cause a stir. It would be as easy to say they are censoring mainstream movies!

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What Is Politically Correct??

THIS FORUM, as I have found out painfully. One has to walk on pin and needles around here regarding certain individuals. I once posted a satire movie poster of the "Kill Bill" movies and it got deleted because, heaven forbid *anything* be posted, even in a humourous context about Hiliary Clinton.

 

That post was to satire the Bill/Monica affair and nothing political involved but it didn't matter even though the "Kill Bill" types of movies were being discussed.

 

Regarding certain movies, yes people are over sensistive about racism, this is why certain flims will not be showned or be slammed by some if they are. There seems to be offense by some in using the channel selector. For people wanted movies like Charlie Chan one might find it easier to simply buy a DVD and keep it to yourself.

 

Whats next, old westerns not be showned because they offend Native Americans or WWII movies because they might offend the Japanese? Don't be surprised if certain Nazi minded groups wants ALL of them burned on the bonfire. (give it time *they will be!* )

 

I guess some globalist will read this and label me a racist or terrorist for simply using my freedom of speech.

 

Yes, regarding your OP, that is censorship..

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I'd love see two oldies but goodies like Unconquered and Distant Drums with Coop kickin' butt and takin' names.

 

Could be wrong but I think PC might have something to do with not showin' 'em.

 

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> {quote:title=gagman66 wrote:}{quote}The so called Politically Correct mentality is simply put one of the worst things that has ever happened in this Country. it's destroying America. Rather than making it a better place to live.

I agree 100% with that. PC'ness is overdone in the extreme...one has to be careful not to offend almost ANYONE with un-PCness.

 

I recall a time when the term "politically correct" didn't even exist.

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Your "expose"(sorry, but I don't know how to put one o' those accent marks over that word) about the HYPOCRISY involved in some peoples' constant lament about all this "PC" stuff was SOOOOOO freakin' ON TARGET here James, that ya know WHAT...I'm gonna post it AGAIN!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> {quote:title=jamesjazzguitar wrote:}{quote}

> While I'm not a fan of being PC (and sometimes in a public forum my wife wishes I was), I find it interesting that those that complain the most about a PC world typically lean right but at the same time they wish to ban all sorts of behaviors, actions and products. i.e. they hate being PC but love to ban or outlaw things.

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> I just don't get that. I would rather have private companies be PC than have the government pass laws banning or restricting behavior, actions or products. Isn't that ironic?

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Yep, if there's one thing I see ALL the freakin' time TOO, it suuuure is a whole lot of those same folks who bellyache all the time about how much they hate "Political Correctness", and then later are the VERY FIRST freakin' people who'll say they "want a law against what 'those other people' do" come every freakin' election!!!

 

(...oh, and about Charlie Chan?...I say, SHOW the freakin' films...though I never thought they were all that good!)

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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}~~^~~^~~

Yep VX, you're absolutely right! :^0

 

(...well, at least I know this thread got THIS HERE shark in a proverbial "feeding frenzy" here, huh!)

 

:^0

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My wife, who is Mexican, chuckles every time I say my favorite Mexican actor is Eli Wallach. But she understands that is how Hollywood worked "back in the day". A real Mexican actor like Anthony Quinn gets often cast as Italian or Greek, or as head of the Sanhedrin. I understand that early in his career, he was told he didn't LOOK Mexican enough to pull of a role he auditioned for! So he was cast as an Arab in a Hope/Crosby "road" picture.

 

I also saw an old Bob Steele serial where Steele was fighting an indian chief, and when the headdress was knocked off, the chief turned out to be Don DeFore!!

 

I imagine it's left up to individuals...I already mentioned a friend who didn't mind being called blind. I knew a "little person" who was OK with being called a midget. My wife even freely calls herself "short". It's singular that the same society that presses for people to be honest can raise a stink when people call a spade a spade( no racist pun intended). Just can't figure folks out, I guess.

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Good post, Sepiatone. And, to supply a possible allegorical little answer to this little social conumdrum you site here:

 

 

 

> {quote:title=Sepiatone wrote:}{quote}...It's singular that the same society that presses for people to be honest can raise a stink when people call a spade a spade( no racist pun intended). Just can't figure folks out, I guess.

> Sepiatone

Well, once again, I think it all boils down to a hypocritical mindset exemplified by THIS classic little nugget here: "I can call MY kid dumb, but boy, YOU better not!"

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Anytime I hear the anti-PC brigade coming I roll my eyes...

 

I encountered a user review on amazon.com calling WB's disclaimers about insenstive content on Popeye or Looney Tunes DVDs "Stalinist tactics" - never mind that these are beautifully restored DVDs offering uncut original editions of the films for the first time in decades, putting a plain disclaimer on a disc is apparently going too far.

 

It's a mind like that, a mind that can't see the obvious cracks in their logic, that is diminishing this country.

 

Furthermore, people who go on and on about political correctness seem to think there was some magical time when everyone could say anything they wanted to - this is absolutely laughable! It NEVER existed! Societies always dictate prevailing norms whether they are democracies or dictatorships. There are always faux-pas, there are always things that "aren't done," there are always boundaries. Any rational person can see that we are in fact more free to discuss these things today than we ever were 50 years ago on.

 

The anti-PC thing is mostly a way for mainstream society to feel they are being victimized by the groups they used to victimize. It's a joke. You might get sent to HR for calling someone a **** at work - 70 years ago a homosexual individual could lose their livelihood by being exposed. There's a HUGE difference.

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> And if the media is around you can pretty much count on some storm.

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And dark...very true, VERY true! And I think we all know why the media is all over these little issues, don't we?

 

Why, of course it's because the Media know that there's a whole lot more people out there who will find these little tempest-in-a-teapot "sh*tstroms" a more "fascinating" topic for social rumination, than there are people who might desire their news sources to do comprehensive reporting on the weightier issues which really affect people's lives.

 

(...in fact, I think there's a movie about to be broadcast tonight on TCM which pretty much describes this very phenomenon...*Network* !...and boy, things suuuuure haven't changed much since 1976 and when that film was first released, have they?!)

 

Edited by: Dargo on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 PM

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I agree with you, Ham Radio... and the TCM messageboards is a perfect example of political correctness taken to its absurd extreme.

 

One would hope that true film fans could use the boards to discuss classic film: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, The Hilarious and Everything In Between. Sadly, the place is a semi-conscious graveyard for blowhards and control freaks, intent on eliminating the human spirit from any and all discussions. It's death by PC... And it's not the fault of the Moderator... he's Alive, he Understands, but he is forced to kowtow to the prickly, humorless drones who want to drain the blood and color from every conversation. It's not fair to him either.

 

I've been on and off the board for years with my various e-mail addresses... each time I've re-joined I've witnessed the condescension and mistrust directed at the "new" people, myself included, who couldn't possibly know anything about movies, and whose contrasting opinions were by definition incorrect. TCM attracts an audience of the most intelligent, most culturally-enlightened, wealthiest people on the planet... but I can only describe the messageboards as a wasteland.

 

Art, like life, like people, is a living breathing thing... people have their own reactions, their own interpretations, and when you prevent them from speaking their mind the passion dies. It's one thing to delete a thread or a post when it's SPAM... but when you delete an original, funny, offbeat opinion just for being different you are killing the conversation. The joy is in the conversation. That's why- in my opinion- TCM still hasn't broken through culturally- in spite of the fact that it's the greatest network in TV history. That's why the forum remains stuck in mid-90's technology and thought... that's why the messageboard users are afraid to express their own outrageous opinions and feel they're much safer nodding along and agreeing that everything is simply "good."

 

Personally, I don't care how many movies someone has seen or if they have any expertise in the field... I don't care if they're 9 or 89... I just want to know what movies they LOVED or HATED, what actors they LIKE or DESPISE... their PERSONAL stories of movies are ten times more exciting than ancient industry gossip... It's a shame. Political correctness has taken the cocktails from the cocktail party, and what we're left with isn't a party I'd want to attend.

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> {quote:title=Bolesroor wrote:}{quote}The Charlie Chan films would be a perfect example... to show those movies might open a dialogue... between parents and children, between spouses, between messageboard users right here... and in the conversation we could all hear one another's stories and learn the most important lesson: WHY ethnic stereotypes can be harmful, and why we as people should not buy into them or repeat them. That's how prejudice dies.

Come around here when TCM does their next "Race in Hollywood" series - TCM doing exactly what you suggested get's the silliy anti-PC people riled up like nothing else.

 

By this example, the anti-PC people are the ones who are attempting to stifle discussion.

 

The term "Politically Correct" is a construct made to try to pathologize conventional societal tendencies and push them on to a single group to make them appear unfavorable. It's political bull and elides real issues of censorship.

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The PC issue can get a bit muddled when the mission of a channel is to show classic films. Old movies are historical/cultural relics, reflective of their time. Public tastes and sensibilities change over time, as do perceptions of what is culturally acceptable, or "PC". Watching old films bears this out. To select or not select an old film, just because it does not reflect contemporary PC concerns, is ahistorical and a cultural disservice, both to the films themselves and the viewers.

 

The *Chan* movies are a good case in point. Showing them can be instructive in how popular attitudes have changed. (These films couldn't be made today) Should we deprive people of that lesson? PC should concern itself with the present. You can't use it to erase history, or to consign historical artifacts into oblivion.

 

The PC issue has crossed my mind more than once in the course of my *Vintage Exploitation Film* project! I'm surprised that so far no one has attacked some of my choices, which have included *Triumph Of The Will (1934), Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! and Mondo Topless*! I appreciate the indulgence of both the moderators and the community! Had someone made PC objections, my argument would have been that we are dealing with history here; these are old films reflective of their times- and the forum and channel are devoted to historical film. Mine is a curatorial function. As a curator, I would resist the removal of an exhibit every bit as much as any museum curator would.

 

Save the PC filters for films in current production if you like. You don't apply them retroactively 80 years after the fact. To do so is an attempt at rewriting history by willful omission and withholding of evidence.

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