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Shoulda Got The Oscar but Not Even Nominated

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{font:Times New Roman}I still think that Veda Ann Borg’s short but dynamic screen time as Nell Robertson in *The Alamo* was more deserving of a Best Supporting Actress nomination that the Best Supporting Actor one Chill Wills so heavily campaigned for in the same movie. Justice prevailed as it did him little if any good, he lost.{font}



{font:Times New Roman}As for *The Shootist,* I realize Book chose the way he checked out of life but disapproved with how he involved the boy in his death making him an accomplice to it. Other than that I found him appealing and his performance worthy of a nomination. {font}



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Well I am always most annoyed at amazing actors who never got nominated in their lives. Here are some those people and what I think are the films they could have at least been nominated for (purely based on what I think is their best performance, not based on who actually won that year)


MYRNA LOY - Best Years of our Lives

WARD BOND - The Long Voyage Home

JOSEPH COTTEN - Shadow of a Doubt

ERROL FLYNN - Robin Hood, of course! :)

EDWARD G ROBINSON - Double Indemnity (yeah, I no, not a gangster film) or The Whole Town's Talking


FRED MACMURRAY - Double Indemnity or The Apartment

PETER LORRE - Maltese Falcon

MAUREEN O'HARA - The Quiet Man

KIM NOVAK - Vertigo


Okay, some of these people aren't amazing, but plenty of winners have been pretty bad

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Ok, I have one! MARILYN MONROE!!! In Bust Stop and the Prince and the Showgirl, she was amazing, I;'ve read many books on her and am always blown away with the complexity she possesed and that she brought through in her characters, I think those two were great in my opinion!

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You sound like a wee bit obsessed, IMHO ;


No, I have no interest in signing petitions for boxed sets of John Garfield films (I have all the ones I want on DVD) as I reserve signing petitions for things that really matter like world peace, famine, and helping the homeless.


As for how Mr. Garfield died, I wasn't making a judgment. I was stating a well-known fact. Period. End of Sentence.


Here endeth the lesson.

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Lana Turner was not a great actress, but she was a great star. And I'm willing to bet you that her performances in THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE and IMITATION OF LIFE will be remembered long after Joanne Woodward's film work is forgotten.

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Filmgoddess you stated a well known piece of gossip that is all and in a rather distasteful way.Unless someone taped the minute Mr.Garfield died I don't know how you can say it is a well known fact.


Did you think I was serious in asking you to sign my petition? LOL Thanks I needed a good laugh today.



Oh, thanks for the lesson, and for making the reading and posting on these threads such a nice way to get to know other classic movie fans.



I am going to end it now because I don't want to have this thread stopped because of our on-going friendly posts to each other.



You can respond again to me if you want I won't respond back I promise. You may have the last word if you wish.





Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 18, 2012 1:24 PM


Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 18, 2012 1:27 PM

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*The Winslow Boy* is an excellent adaptation of Rattigan's play, and Donat is terrific as Sir Robert Morton. Last year was Rattigan's centennial -- I don't remember whether TCM celebrated it. There are so many excellent films of his plays.


Has Donat ever been SOTM? Despite his relatively few films, there are some I've never seen. For Love or Money, That Night in London, Men of Tomorrow being three that are unknown to me.


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> {quote:title=TomJH wrote:}{quote}*John Wayne in The Shootist.*


> I think that Wayne brought a greater depth of feeling to this, his last screen role as a dying gunfighter, than any other role in his career.

I agree with that....his role in True Grit is fun, but The Shootist is far better.


As much as I absolutely LOVE Martin Landau's winning performance for Supporting Actor (portraying Bela Lugosi) in 1994's ED WOOD, I still think to this day that Terence Stamp as transsexual Bernadette in THE ADVENTURES OF PRISCILLA, QUEEN OF THE DESERT was deserving of a nomination and a win. It's a funny and heartfelt, very emotional performance.



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Well, here's my complete list of should have got the oscar but not even nominated:


James Murray, The Crowd

Maria Falconetti, The Passion of Joan of Arc

Buster Keaton, Steamboat Bill, Jr.,

Louise Brooks, Pandora’s Box

Emil Jannings, The Blue Angel

Louise Brooks, The Diary of a Lost Girl

Peter Lorrre, +M+

Maurice Chevalier, Love Me Tonight

Jeannette MacDonald, Love Me Tonight

Groucho Marx, Duck Soup

Miriam Hopkins, Trouble in Paradise

William Powell, The Thin Man

Fred Astaire, Top Hat

Ginger Rogers, Top Hat

Charles Chaplin, Modern Times

Jean Gabin, Pepe le Moko

Marlene Dietrich, Angel

Jean Gabin, Grand Illusion

Katharine Hepburn, Bringing up Baby

Marcel Diallo, The Rules of the Game

Cary Grant, His Girl Friday

Humphrey Bogart, The Maltese Falcon

Claudette Colbert, The Palm Beach Story

Lisbeth Movin, Day of Wrath

Nikolai Cherkasov, Ivan the Terrible, Part One

Lauren Bacall, To Have and to Hold

Jean-Louis Barrault, Children of Paradise

Arletty, Children of Paradise

Charles Chaplin, Monsieur Verdoux

Deborah Kerr, Black Narcissus

Anton Walbrook, The Red Shoes

Rita Hayworth, The Lady from Shanghai

Ralph Richardson, The Fallen Idol

Setsuko Hara, Late Spring

Robert Walker, Strangers on a Train

Gene Kelly, Singin’ in the Rain

Simone Signoret, Casque D’Or

Jacques Tati, Mr. Hulot’s Holiday

Ingrid Bergman, Voyage in Italy

Supporting Actress: Nanette Fabray, The Band Wagon

Takashi Shimura, The Seven Samurai

Supporting Actor: Toshiro Mifune, The Seven Samurai

Uma Das Gupta, Pather Panchali

David Niven, Around the World in 80 Days

Karuna Bannerjee, Aparajito

Henry Fonda, Twelve Angry Men

Giulietta Masina, Nights of Cabiria

Supporting Actress: Isuzu Yamada, Throne of Blood

James Stewart, Vertigo

Kim Novak, Vertigo

Supporting Actor: Orson Welles, Touch of Evil

Supporting Actress: Barbara Bel Geddes, Vertigo

Cary Grant, North by Northwest

Marilyn Monroe, Some Like it Hot

Supriya Choudhury, Cloud Capped Star

Jeanne Moreau, Jules et Jim

Jolanta Umecka, Knife in the Water

Supporting Actress: Shelly Winters, Lolita

Burt Lancaster, The Leopard

Delphine Seyrig, Muriel

Supporting Actor: Alain Delon, The Leopard

Supporting Actress: Claudia Cardinale, The Leopard

Nina Pens Rode, Gertrud

Supporting Actor: George C. Scott, Dr. Strangelove or How I stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bomb

Jean-Pierre Belmondo, Pierrot le Fou

Madhabi Mukherjee, Charulata

Supporting Actor: Leo McKern, Help!

Liv Ullmann, Persona

Supporting Actor: Leo McKern, A Man for all Seasons

Albert Finney, Two for the Road

Audrey Hepburn, Two for the Road

Supporting Actress: Francoise Dorleac, The Young Girls of Rochefort

Douglas Rain, 2001: A Space Odyssey

Liv Ullmann, Shame

Yves Montand, The Confession

Catherine Deneuve, Tristana

Malcolm McDowell, A Clockwork Orange

Juliet Berto, Out 1

Jean-Pierre Leaud, The Mother and the ****

Ana Torrent, The Spirit of the Beehive

Dominique Labourier, Celine and Julie Go Boating

Supporting Actor: John Cazale, The Conversation, The Godfather Part II

Michael Caine, The Man who Would Be King

Delphine Seyrig, Jeanne Dielman, 2300 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

Supporting Actor: Michael Palin, Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Ana Torrent, Cria Cuervos

Supporting Actor: Dirk Bogarde, Providence

Peter Ustinov, Death on the Nile

Liv Ullmann, Autumn Sonata

Natassja Kinski, Tess

Karen Allen, Raiders of the Lost Ark

Bertil Guive, Fanny and Alexander

Supporting Actress: Grun Wallgreen, Fanny and Alexander

Tom Hanks, Splash

Daryl Hannah, Splash

Jonathan Pryce, Brazil

Norma Aleandro, The Official Story

Supporting Actor, Michael Palin, Brazil

Erland Josephson, The Sacrifice

Babek Ahmed Poor, Where is the Friend’s Home?

Holly Hunter, Raising Arizona

John Cleese, A Fish Called Wanda

Isabelle Huppert, The Story of Women

Julie Bataille, C’est la Vie

Michel Piccoli, La Belle Noiseuse

Supporting Actress: Christina Ricci, The Addams Family

Jack Lemmon, Glengarry Glen Ross

Bill Murray, Groundhog Day

Tilda Swinton, Orlando

Donald Sutherland, The Puppet Masters

Sandra Bullock, Speed

Morgan Freeman, Se7en

Mara Wilson, Matilda

Kevin Spacey, L.A. Confidential

Mira Sorvino, Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion

Steve Martin, The Spanish Prisoner

Cameron Diaz, There’s Something about Mary

Marcello Mazzarella, Time Regained

Supporting Actor: John Malkovich, Time Regained, Being John Malkovich

Supporting Actress: Melora Walters, Magnolia

John Cusack, High Fidelity

Joel Haley Osment, A.I.

Naomi Watts, Mulholland Drive

Mania Akbari, Ten

Mathieu Amalric, Kings & Queen

Robert Downey Jr., Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Q’orianka Kilcher, The New World

Francois Cluzet, Tell No One

Anamaria Marinca, 4 Months, 3 weeks and 2 Days

Phillip Seymour Hoffmann, Synecdoche, New York

Sally Hawkins, Happy-go-Lucky

George Clooney, Fantastic Mr. Fox

Juliette Binoche, Certified Copy

Peyman Mooadi, A Separation

Kristin Dunst, Melancholia

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*James Murray, The Crowd*

*Louise Brooks, Pandora’s Box*


Two great picks, skimpole, both of them naturalistic, instinctive performers. Brooks still has a cult following, of course. Poor James Murray, what a tragic actor, his own personal trip into oblivion even more profound that what happened to his character in The Crowd. It's a shame that King Vidor's script, The Actor, based on Murray's life, never made it to film.


Edited by: TomJH on Jun 18, 2012 6:13 PM

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I so agree with you about Q’orianka Kilcher, who should have been nominated and should have won for The New World. An exquisite performance in a stunning movie.



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> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote}Kim Novak for VERTIGO? I've always been a fan of Kim, but...........?

yeah, big ditto here.


but on the same note: George Sanders Best Supporting Actor winner for Rebecca? J'adore George, and he's very good in the film (he seems to be the only one in the whole affair who is having any fun (as usual), and he really helps the picture get over the third act slump) but ...he's not as good as he is in Foreign Correspondent from the same year and not as good as James Stephenson and the unnominated Herbert Marshall in The Letter. (Why Albert Basserman got nominated for his blinkandyoumissit turn in Correspondent is something of a mystery to me though.) And for the record, Walter Brennan, one of the most maligned Oscar winners on the books, is actually pretty solid in The Westerner. Of his three winnings perfs, that's the one I get.

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Kim Novak for VERTIGO? I've always been a fan of Kim, but...........?


Well who would you suggest for best actress of 1958? Susan Hayward is OK in I Want to Live, but she's not brilliant. Shirley Maclaine in Some Came Running is more a supporting role, and Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on a Hot Tin roof is more the Academy's idea of a great performance in a great play, rather than actually being one. Admittedly, I haven't seen Separate Tables or Auntie Mame, but is there another female performance as memorable?

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*I'm glad you mentioned SEPARATE TABLES. Kerr was great, but I believe she was nominated. Rita Hayworth was also great (her best performnace ever, IMHO), and was NOT nominated.*


I agree that Rita should have been nominated along with Kerr. I also think Rita should have been nominated for the following year's THE STORY ON PAGE ONE, MY favorite for her best perfomance.


And how about Gloria Grahame for IN A LONELY PLACE, and Bogie for his best IMHO.

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