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"Captivating" Dolores Moran


TomJH
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Tom, I can tie The Big Sleep back to Moran and the original point you made.

 

In the book The Big Sleep, Marlow is having an affair with Eddie Mars wife. She has a lot bigger part in the book. Thus again, Bacall knocks another actress out of the film, in that the plot of The Big Sleep was changed to focus on sexual tension between B & B instead of Marlow and Mrs. Mars. As I'm sure you know the original version of The Big Sleep (shown only to US troops overseas), had less B&B scenes. Warner asked Hawks to add more after they got married. So having Mrs. Mars be the only female that doesn't flirt with Marlow makes sense. It was done to get Mrs. Mars out of the room and thus out of the scene so Bacall could rescues Bogie and thus solidified their romance. (in the book Mrs Mars saves Marlow).

 

If Bogie and Bacall didn't hit if off in To Have and Have Not, than maybe the actress that played Mrs Mars would of got a bigger part and that would of help propel her career. But instead she ends up in a similar boat like Dolores Moran. Another actress shot down by Bacall! :)

 

 

 

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Not a bad point there, james. However, here's what I think might also have contributed to Bacall "usurping" the focus of this film away from Moran, and besides the fact of Bacall's "chemistry" with Bogie....the idea that Bacall is and pretty much was always "one of the guys", which is a much rarer phenomenon than just a woman's "pretty face" and "voluputous body", and especially back in the '40s and before the concept of "Women's Liberation" came about in full force a few decades later. Ya see, as beautiful as Dolores Moran was, she was still pretty much a "dime-a-dozen" in this regard, as "Hollywood" has always had an adundance of that.

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I think you're on to something here. Take the ending of To Have and Have Not. It is clear Eddie generally doesn't accept the women Harry falls for because Harry feels threatened. But at the end Bacall says the silly 'been stung by a bee' line and Harry says 'oh, you,,, you're alright'. This is his way of saying she is one of the guys and thus he isn't threatened by the relationship.

 

 

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James, thanks for the update on Eddie Mars' wife in the book, as opposed to the movie. It's been far too long since I read The Big Sleep to recall that the literary version played a bigger role. ( I went through a period of reading all the Chandler novels and short stories that I could find, loving the man's poetry of language and his fabulous tough guy one liners while forgiving him for the plot shortcomings).

 

Peggy Knudsen, who played Mrs. Mars, had only one scene in the film and, as you say, made a fast exit after a dialogue exchange with Marlowe so that Bacall could demonstrate her character's true colours and loyalty to the private eye. Knudsen was usually cast in smallish roles as hard boiled types, with The Big Sleep and Humoresque her best films.

 

It is, in my opinion, Martha Vickers' incredibly sensual turn as thumb sucking Carmen that is one of The Big Sleep's primary sources of erotic appeal. At least she's in the film (unlike Moran in To Have and Have Not, stuck in a colourless part) in a good role. I'm sorry that the makers of the film decided to cut some of Vickers' planned scenes. It would appear that the presentation of Lauren Bacall in both films was of paramount concern to Warners (after all, they were moulding a new personality star property here), unfortunately at the expense of Moran, Vickers and Knudsen.

 

Aside from both being victims of appearing in a film with Lauren Bacall, Moran and Vickers had a number of other similarites in their lives. Both did WWII cheesecake, posing in Yank, the Army Weekly, among other sources, both dated Jimmy Stewart, both appeared in support of Ida Lupino in The Man I Loved at Warners, both would have disappointing careers in which the most famous film of either would be in support of Bogart and Bacall, and both would die of cancer (Vickers, 46, Moran, 58).

 

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Martha inspiring the troops

 

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Vickers on the set with Bogart

 

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Will you take that thumb out of your mouth?

 

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Dolores Moran in Yank

 

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Moran, on the To Have and Have Not set with Hawks, Bogart and Brennan

 

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Moran, with Bogart in the film

 

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Okay, so Moran and Vickers weren't the only ones to pose in Yank

 

Edited by: TomJH on Jul 21, 2012 4:34 PM

 

Edited by: TomJH on Jul 21, 2012 6:45 PM

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*Dargo wrote: Bacall is and pretty much was always "one of the guys", which is a much rarer phenomenon than just a woman's "pretty face" and "voluputous body", and especially back in the '40s and before the concept of "Women's Liberation" came about in full force a few decades later. Ya see, as beautiful as Dolores Moran was, she was still pretty much a "dime-a-dozen" in this regard, as "Hollywood" has always had an adundance of that.*

 

Your point is well taken, Dargo. Aside from whatever one might think of Lauren Bacall's limitations as an actress, she came across as an individual in To Have and Have Not, her "I've been-around-the-block-and-seen-it-all" cynicism seeming to match that of Bogart. They were highly appealing, a sophisticated couple who managed to mingle their general despair with the world with a deep romanticism. Whatever else was going on in "this crazy mixed up world," as Rick in Casablanca would say, you just knew they would stick by one another.

 

It was a few years later, when Bacall was united with Bogart for the last time in Key Largo, playing a far different type from the one who appeared in To Have and Have Not, and almost seeming to disappear on the screen before our eyes. By this time, though, I think that Warners believed that Bacall's "star" was reasonably well established. Rather than reducing the impact of female co-stars as they had done with her first two films with Bogie, they threw her into a high powered cast this time where she had to more or less fend for herself. (And I don't think the lady fared all that well, not compared to the likes of scene stealers like Edward G. Robinson and Claire Trevor).

 

One of my favourite Bacall performances, however, is in the Bogart film that doesn't get as much attention as the other three, Dark Passage. I think she is most appealing in this one, almost acting like a mother hen trying to protect Bogart who, unlike his first two films with her, is NOT playing a character in control of the situation. The film's ending, in which the two are reunited in a Peruvian cafe, she with an almost shy little girl smile on her face as she crosses the room towards him, is irresistible with its romantic happy ending. It's a film that Bogart fans may not like as much as some others he made because he's hidden from view for much of the action and not playing Mr. Super Cool. With that ending, though, all seems to be well again.

 

Edited by: TomJH on Jul 21, 2012 6:53 PM

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{font:Times New Roman}And what was last night's “Essential?” {font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}The introduction was done way before that and this thread only began Thursday so they did not have our comments to draw on. All of the major cast members were mentioned but Dolores Moran so perhaps those of you who do not find her talented or of no particular appeal are not far off. {font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}Since I spoke up in her defense I paid attention to her time on screen. I still think she was capable as the patriot’s wife and with her sultry voice and face find it hard to believe she was only a teen-ager. In those costumes she looked more slender than Lauren “Slim” Bacall and a good deal taller-and Bacall is not a “junior petite”. Plenty of other women might have been just as good but she registered with me. I wish she were still around to see that even her brief career was worthy of discussion. {font}

 

 

 

 

 

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I noticed that Moran actually got fourth billing in To Have and Have Not, right after Bogart, Walter Brennan and Lauren Bacall (in that order). That reasonably high billing (in what turned out to be a limited role) is reflective of the film's trailer, which also places a fairly high emphasis upon her character.

 

There's an unknown behind-the-scenes story as to why her part was reduced, and it hurt Moran. Unfortunately, she would never have a shot at any film role of real substance again.

 

Thanks, wouldbestar, for acknowledging the actress, as well as anyone else who participated in this thread, as well, with a special mention to musicalnovelty, a fan of the lady.

 

Lets' face it, this thread is probably one of the few times in which Dolores Moran has even been mentioned by anyone, regarding To Have and Have Not. There certainly wasn't even a reference to her name in passing by either host of The Essentials last night which, to be honest, was not a surprise.

 

 

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> {quote:title=wouldbestar wrote:}{quote}And what was last night's "Essential?"

 

 

I must admit that I wouldn't have tuned in last night were it not for this thread.

 

I tuned in to actually focus on Dolores, something I've never done when watching the film.

 

Edited by: ginnyfan on Jul 22, 2012 7:14 PM

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*Ya see, as beautiful as Dolores Moran was, she was still pretty much a "dime-a-dozen" in this regard, as "Hollywood" has always had an adundance of that.*

 

And the thing is, the history of ALL of the Hollywood studios during the classic era are littered with the Dolores Morans and Martha Vickers, beautiful sexy girls that flirted with stardom but never made it. The reasons can be many, but suffice to say the studio system offered many girls a standard contract, with six month options; it was always at the discretion of the studios whether or not the option would be exercised. The vast majority of the girls were used for cheesecake shots, and maybe, as an extra or bit player. Some got featured and supporting roles, as the studio sized up their potential. But in the end, most were dropped at the time of their first option.

 

20th Century Fox was a studio that often gave newcomers a lead role in a movie. Sometimes this would be followed by other leads, but usually she was quickly demoted to supporting roles (possibly with leads in B movies). The list of those that got early leads, only to slide back down, included Nancy Kelly, Arleen Whelan, Marjorie Weaver, and Brenda Joyce (and these were just in the late 30s-beginning of 40s). Occasionally, one would fare better: Linda Darnell, Gene Tierney and Betty Grable for the same approximate time frame. Later in the 40s, the same dynamic applied at the studio: actresses given important roles early, not able to sustain them: Sheila Ryan,Faye Marlowe, Peggy Downs, Nancy Guild, Colleen Gray, Helen Westcott; while others were more successful: Jeanne Crain, June Haver, Jean Peters.

 

Perhaps the most tortuous trajectory was probably that of Marilyn Monroe. She was dropped by Fox after a year of extras and bits (sometimes left on cutting room floor); picked up by Columbia and given a lead in a B musical; dropped after six months; a couple of years of independent scrambling for bits wherever she could get them, culminating in two featured roles in important pictures; new contract at Fox, which led to stardom a couple years hence. At any point, she could have ended up with a movie career not nearly as substantial as Dolores Moran, Phyllis Brooks, Helene Reynolds, Randy Brooks, Marion Marshall, etc. etc. etc.....

 

Edited by: Arturo on Jul 23, 2012 5:24 PM

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Fans of Dolores Moran, Hollywood Starlet circa late 40s=

 

The son of Dolores Moran, Brett Bogeaus, has put up for sale 3 lots of items fans of this actress might be interested in purchasing=

 

[1] a full length painting of Dolores in her pomp by the 'society' painter Paul Clemens. No other painting of her exists, as far as her family knows.

 

[2] A vast pile of [Warner Brothers] studio photos of Dolores, newspaper clippings from that time, and other more intimate family photos.

 

[3] A small pile of jewelry belonging to Dolores, including one very gaudy [of its era] piece with gold and diamonds, a pendant, but rings as well.

 

The auction of the paintings is set for 19 May, a Sunday, at A.N. Abell Auctioners, in LA, California. Their phone= 1-323-724-8102. Or, email the person running the auction= Joe Baratta, whose email address is= joe@abell.com The date for the auction of the jewelry has not been set yet, but should be end of March or some time in April. The Dolores Moran memorabilia is with Brett Bogeaus; phone him on= 1-818, 567, 1823.

 

 

 

 

 

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Fans of Dolores Moran, Hollywood Starlet circa late 40s=

 

The son of Dolores Moran, Brett Bogeaus, has put up for sale 3 lots of items fans of this actress might be interested in purchasing=

 

[1] a full length painting of Dolores in her pomp by the 'society' painter Paul Clemens. No other painting of her exists, as far as her family knows.

 

[2] A vast pile of [Warner Brothers|http://forums.tcm.com/] studio photos of Dolores, newspaper clippings from that time, and other more intimate family photos.

 

[3] A small pile of jewelry belonging to Dolores, including one very gaudy [of its era|http://forums.tcm.com/] piece with gold and diamonds, a pendant, but rings as well.

 

The auction of the paintings is set for 19 May, a Sunday, at A.N. Abell Auctioners, in LA, California. Their phone= 1-323-724-8102. Or, email the person running the auction= Joe Baratta, whose email address is= joe@abell.com The date for the auction of the jewelry has not been set yet, but should be end of March or some time in April. The Dolores Moran memorabilia is with Brett Bogeaus; phone him on= 1-818, 567, 1823.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7/20/2012 at 4:32 AM, TomJH said:

Musicalnovelty, it's nice to correspond with someone who calls himself a fan of an actress who never received many opportunities in the movies.

 

As much as I love old movies and many of its stars, I always wonder about the unknown tales of the ambitious, eager players who, for whatever reason, failed to make it in the industry. Luck and connections would have played as large a role in their success, I'm sure, as any talent they possessed.

 

Think of the decision (by William Wellman) to reverse the roles originally scheduled to be played by the stiff Edward Woods in the lead and James Cagney in support in The Public Enemy, with Cagney becoming an overnight star as a result. Think, too, of Robert Donat turning down the role of Captain Blood, and the fact that Jack Warner, after testing some stars like George Brent and others, settled upon an unknown Tasmanian newly arrived in Hollywood, one Errol Flynn.

 

Who knows if the role of the "other" woman as originally envisioned by the screenwriters of To Have and Have Not might not have been Dolores Moran's big break. But, for whatever reason or combination of them (1. Bacall's on screen rapport with Bogart, 2. Bacall's affair with Bogart, 3. Moran's affair with Hawks, possibly turning sour) it didn't happen, and the role was changed and largely written out of the film. The trailer, however, gives an indication of the original greater plans for Moran in the production.

 

Moran, if memory serves me correctly, had a sizeable role in Bette Davis' Old Acquaintance the year before, as well as small parts in The Horn Blows at Midnight and The Man I Love. I don't believe that Warners did much more with her than that, however.

 

Moran was one of the film industry's "failures" and, unless someone does an in-depth study of this little known actress, we will never know the reason why. I suspect, however, that To Have and Have Not was, in retrospect, the big opportunity of her career which never came to fruition.

 

I created this post to acknowledge the lady. That, along with the hope that while fans watch the film and are still dazzled by Bacall's interplay with Bogart (along with the great "You know how to whistle, don't you?" dialogue that she was supplied), they might also give a thought to the other actress in the film. Yes, she's blown off the screen in a bland role, but who knows what the results might have been if this same performer, who clearly had sex appeal, had been given an opportunity similar to the one handed on a platter to Bacall on that occasion.

 

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The scene in the trailer edited from To Have and Have Not

 

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Edited by: TomJH on Jul 20, 2012 7:39 AM

Dolores Moran is my 2nd cousin ,,,She was only 16 years old they all used her,,,as for bogey and bacall

her role was reduced because of her ,,,,in too have and have not

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9 minutes ago, Leslie De Vito said:

Dolores Moran is my 2nd cousin ,,,She was only 16 years old they all used her,,,as for bogey and bacall

her role was reduced because of her ,,,,in too have and have not

Unlike many young actors  Moran was signed to a 7 year contract.   Many young beautiful actresses were signed to much more limited contracts.   E.g. Martha Vickers,  who was in The Big Sleep along with Bogie and Bacall.  Note that some of Vickers scenes were cut as well and replaced by more Bogie \ Bacall scenes since the couple was married and this was used to promote the film.   Vickers made 3 more films for WB but was then released.

Note that WB had a lot of these young beautiful actresses on the lot and it is hard to say why some 'made it' while others didn't.     E.g. Alexis Smith was signed around the same time and she got some great roles in many "A" pictures playing the love interest of actors like Errol Flynn.   

There was just a lot of competition and since WB was a male dominated studio (with the exception of Bette Davis of course),   all the other actresses were fighting for parts,  even Ida Lupino and Olivia DeHavilland (whose best work while under contract at WB was done on loan-out, in films like Hold Back the Dawn and of course Gone With The Wind).

 

 

 

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