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Friday is Irene Dunne Day on TCM...

But not too happy to see "Show Boat" schedule for 2:15 a.m. Saturday!

This is the wonderful version with Paul Robeson as Joe, Charles Winninger as Cap'n Andy, Helen Westley as his wife, Hattie McDaniel as Queenie, and Dunne as Magnolia...

It's regarded by film critics and historians as one of the best musicals ever and was chosen by the US Library of Congress as one of those movies that are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" and to be preserved in the US National Film Registry.

 

I've seen it before on TCM but would not mind seeing it again... But 2:15 a.m.??

I don't often burn the candle that late anymore...

 

Anyway, the Wiki article on "Show Boat" states that this 1936 version was out of circulation for a very long time (for various reasons) until: "In 1983 it made its debut on [cable television|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television|Cable television], and a few years later, on [PBS|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS|PBS]. It was subsequently shown on [TNT|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Network_Television|Turner Network Television] and now turns up from time to time on [TCM|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Classic_Movies|Turner Classic Movies]."

 

I guess one of the "time to time" showings is this late Friday night... Oy!!

 

Oh well... I'll see what I can do...

 

Wiki article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Boat_%281936_film%29

 

Back to my book...

 

 

 

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The '36 *Show Boat* is my favorite musical, partly because of the actors/singers; partly because of the incredible score; and partly because it was shot by a director who knew how to use the camera -- James Whale. Look at the scene of Paul Robeson singing Old Man RIver, nothing can touch it for artistry, in any musical.

 

 

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It's too bad the less shown films are scheduled for the daytime or overnight hours. I LOVE the Awful Truth, but do they need to show it in primetime AGAIN??? I'll pass..........Wish they'd get working on When Tomorrow Comes (with Boyer). They've never shown that one. Silver Cord is another (but I think that has rights issues...)

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}The '36 *Show Boat* is my favorite musical, partly because of the actors/singers; partly because of the incredible score; and partly because it was shot by a director who knew how to use the camera -- James Whale. Look at the scene of Paul Robeson singing Old Man RIver, nothing can touch it for artistry, in any musical.

 

Read another thread about controversy related to "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers."

 

*Detour Alert!* I've seen "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" and it's not one of my favourite musicals...

But it is fluff. You can't take it seriously. And the men in the family are chased by a posse, and the mother of the family does let the men know she disapproves. If that's any defence.

And you know, I think what's portrayed in the film, women being "forced" into relationships and then coming to "love" the man later, was pretty common in the past. Marriage for love is a fairly recent phenomenon, after all. Anyway, I'm sure you could find libraries of books on the subject of how men treated women in the past...

TCM even aired the Swedish/Danish film classic "Häxan" not too long ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4xan

 

*Detour Over...*

 

Back to "Show Boat," there is a controversy about this fim as well. It disappeared fror many years because Paul Robeson was in it... And it really wasn't until after Robeson's death in 1976, that this film began to be shown again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

 

You know, anything can be controversial. People have as many differing views about things as there are snowflakes. And people can be offended by anything under the sun.

However, rather than simply, and rudely, dismissing concerns as "political correctness," I think it's very important to keep an open mind - tough as that can be, eh - and try to understand the other person's point of view. (I ain't perfect and sometimes need a period of quiet reflection to understand a diiferent perspective)

 

Many films made in the past are controversial for various reasons. I think it's very important to know what the controversy is and also to keep in mind that times change.

For example, how African-Americans are portrayed in films in the past would not "fly" today.

But instead of banning those films, it's better to understand the history of the times when the films were made. The same with any film. Controversy leads to discussion and that hopefully leads to people learning something...

 

Anyway, later this year, for another example, Quentin Tarantino has a new film coming out that deals with American history. I'm referring to "Django Unchained" that comes out in theatres in December.

In an interview published in "The Telegraph," Tarantino said:

"I want to explore something that really hasn't been done," he says. "I want to do movies that deal with America's horrible past with slavery and stuff but do them like spaghetti westerns, not like big issue movies. I want to do them like they're genre films, but they deal with everything that America has never dealt with because it's ashamed of it, and other countries don't really deal with because they don't feel they have the right to." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/starsandstories/3664742/Quentin-Tarantino-Im-proud-of-my-flop.html)

 

I'm sure this new film will be controversial in America... Be interesting to see how critics and others react to it... Could be fireworks, maybe not??

Trailer here:

http://unchainedmovie.com/

 

Sermon over... Can I have an "Amen"... And don't forget the collection plate before you go...

 

BTW, I like Dunne in "Show Boat"!

 

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{quote:title=RMeingast wrote:}{quote}Friday is Irene Dunne Day on TCM...not too happy to see "Show Boat" scheduled for 2:15 a.m. Saturday!... Oy!!

 

Ditto on the "oy", and another "Amen" for you.

 

 

I know I've beaten the dead horse about this, but here's one more thwack! for the heck of it: many of the prime time (8-10pm) selections for this and many past SUTS's have been bad.

 

 

I don't want to presume (although you'll note that doesn't stop me), but it seems like there's not a lot of thought going into it; either that or they're trying to encourage us to invest in DVRS. (To that last bit, I say: "c'mon you guys, you cater to a niche of people who pride themselves on being old-fashioned. Some of us are practically Luddites when it comes to technology, and the rest of us can barely afford the cable bill.")

 

 

And that's not to say there weren't some good choices along the way, Bus Stop on MM's night was good, Night Flight on Barrymore night was a treat *although it should've aired at 8:00 instead of You Can't Take it With You for the kajillionth effin' time.* The choices on Kay Francis's night were good too. Elvis on Tour was the only watchable moment of that day.

 

 

But really, I know we're living in a world where the communal experience of everyone in the country sitting down at 8:00pm to watch something is on the wane, if not altogether dead, but I still think the hours of eight to eleven are important.

 

 

I've spent waaaaaaaaaaaay too long on this and I am worried I am going to derail the thread, so I'm just going to stop.

 

Edited by: AddisonDeWitless on Aug 24, 2012 3:04 PM to also include the fact that, THE PROGRAMMING HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH IN THE PAST EIGHTEEN MONTHS. Don't think I'm not grateful as all get-out for it.

 

Edited by: AddisonDeWitless on Aug 24, 2012 3:07 PM (and typos)

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TCM is targeting new viewers rather than the old guard represented by people on these boards. So what's a better introduction to Irene Dunne than THE AWFUL TRUTH? They know that we are going to keep watching anyway, but the new viewer may be lost forever with an 8:00 PM film that he or she doesn't like.

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>TCM is targeting new viewers rather than the old guard represented by people on these boards. So what's a better introduction to Irene Dunne than THE AWFUL TRUTH? They know that we are going to keep watching anyway, but the new viewer may be lost forever with an 8:00 PM film that he or she doesn't like.

 

If so, then the message that is being given is that there are a limited number of classics that have appeal to modern audiences, and consequently should be run and rerun ad nauseum. Do the programmers lack faith in lesser-known classics, or in audiences that are viewing during primetime...?

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IS TCM really getting that many new viewers for their programming to really matter? I know for myslef, I just stumbled onto TCM and was like "ohh a movie I didn't see and it's in black and white...cool" then the rest was history.

 

I highly doubt a new viewer is expressly tuning in tonight because the awful truth is on.

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> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote}So what's a better introduction to Irene Dunne than THE AWFUL TRUTH?

I don't think there's a better one, but I don't think it's too "out there" to say that Show Boat, Anna and the King of Siam, The Age of Innocence, and Love Affair are titles that would ring familiar enough to modern film buffs that they'd want to check out the original and they're pretty good introes to the work of Miss Dunne.

 

Also also, Penny Serenade, which is in the public domain even and is available in a colorized version (clutch the pearls, I know) is one of her *very best* performances and is a *great intro to the work of Cary Grant.*

 

Also also also, if they wanted to toss us film freaks a bone, I'd love to be able to see Irene's final film It Grows on Trees, a fantasy from 1952. I don't think it's aired on TCM...um, ever?

 

They're following The Awful Truth, which I'll probably watch for the 36th time (I own it on DVD too) because it is a damn watchable movie. However, they're following it with A Guy Named Joe, which just isn't that great and shows up on the schedule more than I like to see.

 

But, *this thread is s'posed to be about Irene,* and it's my fault it's taken a sharp left towards Kvetchtown. I suggest we take up this topic in the SUTS Actor/Actress Frequency thread started by Mr. Blandings, should anyone be inn-terested in doing so.

 

All apologies to Miss Dunne.

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I don't think there's a better one,

 

Quite right.

 

Charles Boyer gives me the willies, and she was a little too compliant with Douglas (maybe she got better later, but I had turned it off), and the others were zeroes, but she SHONE with Grant in The Awful Truth and My Favorite Wife.

 

They were perfect.

 

Penny Serenade...is one of her *very best *performances and is a *great intro to the work of Cary Grant.*

 

Yes, yes, and yes. Beautiful movie, sans color of course. She wasn't bad with Lowell Sherman, and he had some very nice reactions - although he wore a little too much eye makeup and VERY sadly, he died at age 49 - but with Grant, she was perfection. As to Grant, I've adored him since he was Mae West's (blech) boy toy.

 

Also also also, if they wanted to toss us film freaks a bone, I'd love to be able to see Irene's final film It Grows on Trees, a fantasy from 1952. I don't think it's aired on TCM...um, ever?

 

A fantasy? Sounds interesting. TCM, what say you?

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*Show Boat* (1936) was withdrawn for a while because of the 1951 remake. It (the 1936 version) was regularly shown around NYC in the late 1960s/early 1970s, particularly at the old Theater 80 St. Marks, often on a double bill with Cimarron. Whether theaters elsewhere in the country (or television) didn't show it was their own call.

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}*Show Boat* (1936) was withdrawn for a while because of the 1951 remake. It (the 1936 version) was regularly shown around NYC in the late 1960s/early 1970s, particularly at the old Theater 80 St. Marks, often on a double bill with Cimarron. Whether theaters elsewhere in the country (or television) didn't show it was their own call.

 

 

 

Think the 1936 "Show Boat" was withdrawn in the 1940s after MGM bought the rights (sorta same thing happened to "Pennies from Heaven" (1981) where MGM controlled rights from BBC and then banned showing of the original TV series the film was based on for 10 years). Also withdrawn because Paul Robeson was blacklisted as a communist in 1950:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

 

The Wiki article states:

 

*Temporary withdrawal from circulation*

 

Show Boat was successful at the box office, but was withdrawn from circulation in the 1940s, after MGM bought the rights so that they could film their own [Technicolor|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technicolor|Technicolor] [remake|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Boat_(1951_film)|Show Boat (1951 film)]; however, MGM's version did not begin filming until 1950, and was released in the summer of 1951. The fact that Paul Robeson, who played Joe in the 1936 version, was [blacklisted|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist|Hollywood blacklist] in 1950 further assured that the 1936 film would not be seen for a long time, and it was not widely seen again until after Robeson's death in 1976. In 1983 it made its debut on [cable television|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television|Cable television], and a few years later, on [PBS|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS|PBS]. It was subsequently shown on [TNT|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Network_Television|Turner Network Television] and now turns up from time to time on [TCM|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Classic_Movies|Turner Classic Movies]. It was made available on [VHS|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS|VHS] beginning in 1990, but it has yet to be released on an authorized [DVD|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD|DVD], although a Brazilian company, Classicline, released a DVD version in 2003. For several years, Warner Brothers, through which Turner now releases its official DVDs, has been promising a comprehensive set of all three Show Boat films, but as of August 2012, this has still not come to pass, though there is a great demand for an official DVD release.

 

 

The Voyager Company, under its [Criterion Collection|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criterion_Collection|Criterion Collection] Label, released two versions on [laserdisc|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc|Laserdisc] in 1989 of the 1936 version. One was a special edition with extras that included the history of show boats in general and its stage and film history, and the other was a movie only version. MGM/UA Home Video released the 1929, 1936 and 1951 versions, as well as the Show Boat sequence from [Till the Clouds Roll By|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_the_Clouds_Roll_By|Till the Clouds Roll By], as The Complete Show Boat collection on [laserdisc|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc|Laserdisc] in 1995. The 1929 version was restored and this release is the most complete version available. The transfer for the 1936 version is the same as the [Criterion Collection|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criterion_Collection|Criterion Collection] and the 1951 was from the restored stereo release MGM had done earlier. Although an analog format, the [laserdisc|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc|Laserdisc] release is the only digital version of the 1929 and 1936 versions and is out of print. ^[[9]|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Boat_(1936_film)#cite_note-8]^

 

 

In 2006 the 1936 Show Boat ranked #24 on the [American Film Institute|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Film_Institute|American Film Institute]'s

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Today, [Turner Entertainment|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Entertainment|Turner Entertainment] owns the film as part of the pre-1986 MGM library, with fellow [Time Warner|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner|Time Warner] division [Warner Bros.|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros.|Warner Bros.] handling distribution.

 

 

Anyway, the fact you saw it in New York City in the late 1960/early 1970s probably says more about the theatre owners who ran it than anything else... But that's good for NYC...

Glad people could see it then...

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We also had a print of it where I worked, so I continue to think that the anti-Robeson campaign may have been an individual thing (how accurate is Wiki anyhow?), whereas the contractual withdrawal because of the remake was formal. There were plenty of movies shown, on television and elsewhere, that featured stars who were blacklisted.

 

I guess the words "widely seen" in the Wiki article may be the key, but many of the early films were not widely seen in those pre-video; pre-revival house days. How many old Universal films are we still waiting for TCM to show -- Prince Saliano provides us with lists regularly.

 

 

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}We also had a print of it where I worked, so I continue to think that the anti-Robeson campaign may have been an individual thing (how accurate is Wiki anyhow?), whereas the contractual withdrawal because of the remake was formal. There were plenty of movies shown, on television and elsewhere, that featured stars who were blacklisted.

Yep, you right about that. Many got around the "blacklisting" and kudos to them but many actions were taken against Robeson at the time (passport withheld, TV appearances on NBC cancelled, J. Edgar Hoover and FBI harrassing him, called before the House Committee on Un-American Activities, etc...) and it would have been publicized in the media...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Congressional_Hearings'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Congressional_Hearings'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Congressional_Hearings'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Congressional_Hearings

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

 

 

And I use Wiki as a quick reference rather than citing long academic sources.

Wiki articles generally contain sources and anyway, you can judge for yourself...

 

 

 

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