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I must be the only person who understands this plot on these boards ? Although I had to watch it several times, and a 70's remake with Robert Mitchum but, I got it finally.

 

Problem is there are themes or pornography, homosexuality and drug use that are important to the story that they couldn't portray in the 40's. Once you understand those, the movie actually makes sense.

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Rats. Too late for me. I don't understand it, but Bogey with his hat askew was hilarious.

 

Meanwhile, having the Cortez Maltese Falcon to compare against the Bogey version, sorry Bogey, but the latter comes up wanting. Mary Astor, you pale next to Bebe Daniels. No matter, you were glorious in Dodsworth.

 

And Born To Kill? Awful stuff, just awful.

 

That's okay, The Kennel Murder Case is on now, with the guy dead in the room now so familiar to me. BTW, Bill Powell pronounces his a's differently than anyone I've heard. Or is it just because I live in New Yawk?

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Once all the guys start getting bumped off it even gets stranger, then did anyone believe she won all that money at the roulette wheel? There must have been a ton of consistent suckers back in the day, I once went to an empty casino in Panama that took all our money what little we had in a matter of minutes, so know how it feels, lol. Yes Bogie in the hat at the start was very funny, too bad he didn't use that bit in other movies, and the ending everyone seemed happy. One sister who couldn't add 2 and 2 somehow murdered Geiger, and Mars was connected to Geiger somehow, who now owned the house that he was killed in. Who owns it now is anyone's guess.

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Maybe you can explain some things to us.

 

Seems that we have multiple plots in this film.

 

The main plot, the one we think the most about in the beginning, is the blackmailing of the wayward young daughter, Carmen Sternwood, regarding the personal and private photos of her, her drug addiction, and also problems with her gambling debts. There is some hint that the gambling debts bills sent to her father, Mr. Sternwood, might actually be bills for the blackmail regarding the photos. These problems involve the crooks Arthur Gwynn Geiger and Joe Brody.

 

A secondary plot quickly develops concerning the whereabouts of the missing Sternwood assistant, Sean Regan. Sternwoods other daughter, Vivian Sternwood, seems to have some interest in him and his relationship with her younger sister.

 

Then next, the owner of a gambling house, Eddie Mars, becomes involved with the story. Vivian Sternwood is somehow involved with him, mainly through her gambling habit. But I'm not sure why he is in the film or what he has to do with the plot. Why is Eddie Mars wife hiding out, and why is Vivien helping her hide out?

 

Why does Eddie Mars want Philip Marlowe to stop investigating the Carmen Sternwood case?

 

And then the Sternwood chauffer becomes involved, by getting killed in the Packard off the end of Lido Pier. He was supposed to be interested in the young Carmen Sternwood.

 

In the beginning, Vivien Sternwood is called Mrs. Rutledge. So who is Mr. Rutledge?

 

There seems to be some hint at the end that Carmen killed Sean Regan. Is that correct?

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You know, I must've seen this film 20 times and I still cant keep it all straight. They have Bogie doing a lot of explaining at the end, but I still cant follow it all. By the time I watch it the next time, I'm still confused............

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I don't think Albert Einstein could have followed this movie. Way too fast with too many people and many angles, and Bogie keeps the plot to himself.

 

As to Mr. Rutledge, maybe he was bumped off before the movie started so they didn't want to bother us with the details, lol.

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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}Maybe you can explain some things to us.

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> Seems that we have multiple plots in this film.

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> The main plot, the one we think the most about in the beginning, is the blackmailing of the wayward young daughter, Carmen Sternwood, regarding the personal and private photos of her, her drug addiction, and also problems with her gambling debts. There is some hint that the gambling debts bills sent to her father, Mr. Sternwood, might actually be bills for the blackmail regarding the photos. These problems involve the crooks Arthur Gwynn Geiger and Joe Brody.

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> A secondary plot quickly develops concerning the whereabouts of the missing Sternwood assistant, Sean Regan. Sternwoods other daughter, Vivian Sternwood, seems to have some interest in him and his relationship with her younger sister.

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> Then next, the owner of a gambling house, Eddie Mars, becomes involved with the story. Vivian Sternwood is somehow involved with him, mainly through her gambling habit. But I'm not sure why he is in the film or what he has to do with the plot. Why is Eddie Mars wife hiding out, and why is Vivien helping her hide out?

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> Why does Eddie Mars want Philip Marlowe to stop investigating the Carmen Sternwood case?

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> And then the Sternwood chauffer becomes involved, by getting killed in the Packard off the end of Lido Pier. He was supposed to be interested in the young Carmen Sternwood.

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> In the beginning, Vivien Sternwood is called Mrs. Rutledge. So who is Mr. Rutledge?

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> There seems to be some hint at the end that Carmen killed Sean Regan. Is that correct?

Ok, I'll do the best I can. I will tell the actually story then what the movie did with it.

 

The original reason Marlowe is hired is that Carmen is getting high and risque photos are taken of her. And those photos are being used to blackmail the General. This has been done before because as you can see Carmen is an addict and maybe bi polar too. Geiger and Brody were the blackmailers.

 

When Geiger's body was found and then moved, it was Geiger's "driver" who moved it. He was also his gay lover but, they couldn't show that. I guess that's why he was wearing that shiny leather outfit. That's why later the "driver" shot Brody thinking he shot Geiger, which was not true.Do you remember when Carmen came charging into the room demanding her photos ? She had her own gun. That is to show she owns her own gun.

 

Vivien was once married that is why she had two names in the film. She has a gambling problem. Eddie Mars runs the local gambling hall so she goes there often and loses often hence the gambling debts. Mars also is the local mafioso or whatever you would call him.

 

Sean Reagan was the friend of the General. Remember when Marlowe first arrived at the Sternwood home and Carmen was flirting with him ? She also flirted with Sean Reagan. Now Sean Reagan is missing and no one seems to care. The rumor is that he went away with Mars' wife because she is missing also. That's why they constantly ask Marlowe if he is looking for him. They ask so often, Marlowe becomes interested.

 

Now, here's what really happened: Carmen flirted with Sean Reagan and Sean wasn't interested in her. Carmen shot and killed Reagan. Vivian didn't know what to do so she went to the only person she knew who might know what to do. She went to Eddie Mars. Mars gave her a very expensive deal. He would dispose of the body and invent a story. The General is very sick but, very wealthy. Vivivan agreed that for his services, she would give Mars a large sum of money upon the death of the General.

 

The story Mars invented was that Reagan and his own wife ran away together. He kept his wife in a house in the country just outside of town. She would stay there until the General died. The reward was in the millions so they felt it was worth it to wait it out.

 

One mistake. The little guy and his brunette wife. They saw a woman in a car that looked just like Mars' wife and thought that information was worth money. And wanted to sell that info to Marlowe. One of Mars' men saw the little guy following Marlowe and grabbed him and poisoned him. As you know Marlowe ended up paying his wife for the info. Then she took the money and left town for a new life. That is when Marlowe had it all figured out.

 

Problem with that plot is that if Carmen is the murderer, that makes Vivian an accomplice. Another rule of the Hay's code is crime can never win and Vivian would have to go to prison.They wanted Bacall and Bogey to go off together so they made Mars the murderer.

 

There's other minor stuff even I couldn't get but, that's the gist of it.

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I 've always assumed that Bogart's wife, Mayo Methot, was just off camera and trying to shoot her husband, but she was a poor shot and kept hitting the wrong target. And that was the inspiration for the Peter Sellers' film "A Shot In The Dark" , his second Clouseau film.

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The novel is easier to follow, since one can stop and go back and check other

things out. The movie just barrels along and if you miss something you're out

of luck until you can watch it again. For some reason they changed the name

of Vivian's husband to Rutledge, when in the novel she is married to Rusty Regan,

who we find at the end of the book was killed by the **** daughter, Carmen.

Wiki has a good plot summary of the book, which answers the plot questions,

including who probably killed the Sternwood's chauffeur.

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