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Wilson on TCM today -- a premiere!

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Man! You guys are just bound and determined to get Michael the Admin to "nuke(cu-lar)" this here thread, AREN'T ya???!!!

 

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> to "nuke(cu-lar)" this here thread

 

There's actually a [Wikipedia article on the nucular mispronunciation|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular], which suggests that the mispronuncation was used by Presidents Eisenhower, Carter, and Clinton in addition to GW Bush.

 

For some reason, I seem to recall hearing Carter mispronounce the word when I was a kid and he was President, and also recall learning somewhere along the way that Eisenhower was the first prominent person to use the "nucular" mispronunciation.

 

Edited by: Fedya on Feb 9, 2013 3:54 PM, because this message board is extremely screwed up in what it allows in linking text

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Thanks, TCM programmers, for scheduling this film yesterday.

 

Here is an excerpt of the original review as it appeared in Variety, with the source attributed below:

 

*The production is said to cost over $3 million and looks it. When there are crowds in the Senate, at the sundry political conventions, in the Palmer Stadium, on the campus, they are there in staggering, sizable numbers.*

 

*When the period of 1912-20 is recreated in Technicolor it is as authentic as it is splendiferous. All the detail of the White House decor of the Wilson administration; all the local color of the era and the day are faithfully brought to the canvas in a nostalgic, authentic fashion.*

 

*In fact, that is the keynote of Wilson — authority, warmth, idealism, a search for a better world. Through it all stalks a potent personality in Alexander Knox, a newborn star, supported by a flawless cast.*

 

Wilson. (1944). Variety Movie Reviews, (1), 91.

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darkblue, you make an important point. Since the age of Reagen, television has dictated the way politicians speak to some extent. The age of heightened oratory is (sadly) over. The media make a big deal of emphasizing that our presidents should be "like us;" or they use that dreaded line line, "someone we would want to have a beer with." In previous ages, the speech style was different. It's largely television that has ruined that. Obama has gone back to the more "dignified" way of speaking; but then they call him professorial and mean it as an insult! When they called Wilson "The Professor," or "The Schoolmaster," it was meant as a compliment.

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Maybe Swithin, but I have a feeling "folksy-ness" has always played into the American electorate's consciousness.

 

I mean, I can't image one of our highest "rated" Presidents, one Mr. Andrew Jackson, ever giving a stirring speech that the fellows at Webster's, let alone at Oxford, would have ever found total approval of.

 

(...saaay...did I just end a sentence with a preposition there???) ;)

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Yes, I think Jackson was folksy -- but of course he was married to Beulah Bondi! I was listening to some of JFK's speeches recently. I really liked them, they represent the old style of oratory, as FDR does as well.

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> {quote:title=clore wrote:}{quote}There was a very quick reference near the end about Prohibition. It was mentioned that the Volstead Act was passed despite his veto.

I guess I understand their not dealing with Prohibition much in the movie, but for the makers of Wilson to not even bring up the fact *THAT WOMEN GOT THE RIGHT TO VOTE* during WW's term is odd...and again, a missed chance for some good scenes between Wilson and his wife/daughters.

 

Honestly, even more than the war, Prohibition and Women getting the vote were *THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT EVENTS OF WW's presidency with some long term effects.*

 

For an overlong film with so many superfluous moments (Eddie Foy, the convention scenes. Henry Cabot Lodge sitting in the WH waiting room, the football game, the Princeton Choir serenade) it missed out on putting in two things that REALLY MATTERED.

 

 

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Addison, all those things about the film you find excessive are what make it a well-rounded epic for me -- I particularly LOVE those convention scenes. They're fairly accurately portrayed, and they're a part of our history as well. (And I like Eddie Foy, too). As far as suffrage goes, I don't know why they didn't include it, maybe they did and they cut it out -- this is an entertainment movie after all. Interestingly, Champ Clark, Wilson's closest rival for the nomination, was an earlier supporter of suffrage than was Wilson. Clark's daughter was a prominent suffragette.

 

 

 

 

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{font:Times New Roman}Addison: I had trouble making corrections and other things when I was posting awhile back. I wrote my posts on Microsoft Word, edited them, then used cut & paste to put them on the Board screen. That’s what I’m doing now. That way, if something goes wrong as it did with your post you still have it to try again. I’ve had a few lost ones myself and this does the trick.{font}

 

{font:Times New Roman}Now for the movie: A bitterly contested election, pundits call it for the GOP, California gives it to the Democrats, the Electoral College is close but the popular vote is 3 million over the loser. 2012? No, 1916. Some things seem to never change. {font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}I enjoyed the convention scenes as they showed a way of choosing a candidate that will never happen again due to primaries. I don’t know if the Wilsons served at a canteen but “whistle stop tours” were also an important if bygone part of campaigning. {font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}I heard the clip of Wilson’s voice and think Alexander Knox channeled him very well. He was believable as the homebody professor, president who stuck to his guns despite a strong adversary in Senator Lodge, and ardent wooer of Edith. Some articles I’ve read claim he was a ladies’ man despite his bookish appearance so all this might have been accurate. The end was a bit abrupt but we knew he won 25 years later even if he wasn’t around to see it. {font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}The part about Edith being the “de facto” president has been hotly debated and probably has some basis in fact. I suspect that amendment they used in *The West Wing* to temporarily replace President Bartlett was partly enacted to cover an event like this.{font}

 

 

{font:Times New Roman}My favorite scenes: Wilson giving it to the German ambassador and those real movienews clips. I had no idea that film stars pushing the war effort went that far back as all we ever see are the WWII era ones in newsreels. Also, it was interesting watching our men train before going off to war. My grandfather was one of them in spite of the fact that he and my grandmother still had relatives in Germany he could very well have fought against.{font}

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As I said before it was worth the wait. I’d like to see it again. {font}

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Since the age of Reagen, television has dictated the way politicians speak to some extent. The age of heightened oratory is (sadly) over.

 

Doesn't this go back to Kennedy? Supposedly in the first Kennedy-Nixon debate, the people who listened to it on the radio believed Nixon won, and the people who watched it on TV believed Kennedy won.

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote} As far as suffrage goes, I don't know why they didn't include it, maybe they did and they cut it out -- this is an entertainment movie after all.

Yes, and nothing could beat the pure entertainment THRILL of all those signature-writing and treaty-negotiating scenes (I joke, I joke, I keed, I keed.)

 

I dunno...It's not that the Convention Scenes weren't well-done ( *they were,* and quite well-acted too) it's that Wilson himself was in them very little and I feel like *the movie would not have suffered from their absence*.

 

They also in all likelihood cost a *BLOOMING FORTUNE* and did not add enough to the story that they validated the (surely) stupendous costs and headaches of filming them.

 

As some have pointed out, Wilson made $2 million, which in those days (and I'm using fuzzy math here) is (sort of) what is a $100 million haul today...Only since it cost $4 million, it goes down as a *"bomb"* and thusly stood no chance against *the blockbuster with a profit* Going My Way (which it *is* a better movie than.) Had they elimated the Convention scenes they would've in all likelihood boosted attendance, gotten more showings and only spent $2.5 million on this sucker, and Lord knows it would've made that in re-release (especially if it won the Oscar.)

 

And to somewhat less importance: it would have been a better movie.

 

"I was just offering some advice"- said the young man as Mr. Zanuck had him hauled off the lot.

 

Edited by: AddisonDeWitless on Feb 9, 2013 10:03 PM

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I think that's because Nixon looked awful and sweated. He had been ill, or not feeling well, and the studio was too hot. There was that story about the air conditioning which I heard recently but dont remember the details.

 

 

 

 

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> the blockbuster with a profit *Going My Way* (which it is a better movie than.)

 

That's not saying much, however, since practically everything Oscar-nominated in 1944 was better than *Going My Way*.

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Well, Addy, those convention scenes, apart from giving us a real taste of what they were like, add color to the film. Sort of like the pink and green lettering in your posts. How do you do that? I can't even figure out how to post photos (not that I want to)!

 

And yes, Wilson was certainly better than Going My Way, and Knox head and shoulders above one of my least favorite screen presences: Crosby.

 

And by the way, where are our resident Canadians? Knox was a Canadian, they should be in here cheering him on!

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}Well, Addy, those convention scenes, apart from giving us a real taste of what they were like, add color to the film. Sort of like the *pink* and *green* lettering in your posts. How do you do that? *I can't even figure out how to post photos (not that I want to)!*

It's easy.

 

You see the toolbar at the top of where you write your post: *where there are options for BOLD, italics, emoticons, quoting other posts, etc?* *T**here is a big, blue capitol A.* Click on it with your mouse and all the options for using colored lettering appear (tip: it's best to select the color and then choose the BOLD option at the far left of the toolbar, that makes the colors stand out more.)

 

 

Much like italicizing or emboldening letters though, it sometimes doesn't translate in your final, posted post, and shows up as computer symbols and the word "COLOR" right before and after the word that you wanted to colorize. You can usually fix this in editing, although it can be a real headache.

 

 

Posting pictures is also quite easy. I recommend going to google images, which is a major storehouse of pictures, posters, lobby cards etc. Once you see a picture you like, RIGHT CLICK on it with your mouse and many options will come up. Somewhere on that last, there should be an option for COPY IMAGE. Click that. Then go back to your post and hit the Ctrl button and the V key and voila:

 

 

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Omigod *Addison*, it worked! Thanks! You explained it so clearly, I've never been able to understand it before. TCM showed some Carry On films last year, and I wanted to post a photo I took of the home of Hattie Jacques in London. I couldn't figure out how to do that, but thanks to you here's a photo of Hattie from Google Images! I assume I can do the same with photos on my computer. (I know this is way OT, but I started this thread, so please forgive the detour).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In spite of any misgivings I have about Ronald Reagan as president, I have to admit he was, so far, the LAST republican president to ever give an eloquent speech. He did possess a well tempered delivery and had a keen sense of humor and sharp wit( Note: the remark about Mondale in reply to the question, "Do you think age is a factor in this election?").

 

 

Woefully, the two Bush successors were not speechmakers.

 

 

Papa Bush, whenever about to give a speech, had people setting their alarm clocks and fluffing their pillows. The younger Bush only proved that EBONICS weren't so bad after all.

 

 

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That was Reagen's profession -- he was an actor. That's the scary bit, that someone trained to move people with rhetoric (in the old fashioned sense) can sway an audience. If we had a President who had been a plumber in his previous career, he would be able to fix a toilet; Reagen's skills from his previous career enabled him to know how to present himself; and how to memorize lines as well! That's why I think the idea of actors getting into politics is a scary one, no matter what their political stripe, in this age of "everything is theater."

 

 

 

 

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I had DVR'd Wilson and was looking at it again yesterday. I feel even more strongly that it's a truly great film. Fascinating bits of history, terrific performances, incredible production values, and you get to (briefly) hear Charles Coburn sing! It couldn't cover all the details of his two terms as President, but I think it did a pretty good job of focusing on some important issues, with some accuracy. George Macready, usually a villain, has an uncredited role, as one of Wilson's helpers at the convention. Wilson was inaugurated 100 years ago next month, this film would have been good for someone's Challenge series!

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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}That was Reagen's profession -- he was an actor. That's the scary bit, that someone trained to move people with rhetoric (in the old fashioned sense) can sway an audience. If we had a President who had been a plumber in his previous career, he would be able to fix a toilet; Reagen's skills from his previous career enabled him to know how to present himself; and how to memorize lines as well! That's why I think the idea of actors getting into politics is a scary one, no matter what their political stripe, in this age of "everything is theater."

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Did you ever read The Great Man's Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation? He was far more

than just an actor and your post implies something that is just not true.

 

Ronald Reagan for many of us was a great leader. Please keep your posts with that in mind.

 

Jake in the Heartland

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I was by no means saying anything negative about Reagen, I'm sorry if you interpreted my comments that way. I meant that, whatever one thinks about his accomplishments, the talents he learned in his pre-politics profession came in handy in politics. I work with alot of actors, I can see how that acting skill serves them well in all sorts of fields -- law, for example.

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Why don't you just stick to Wilson and the movie?

 

Jake in the Heartland

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But that's what I was trying to do, when the thread was reinstated. I posted about my experiences about watching the film again yesterday. Then you came along and went back to politics! That is your right; but when the thread was reinstated, I was doing exactly what you are suggesting, but you thwarted me! So let's get back to the movie!

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