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Here's a rant. Why are we still not seeing 1930s & 40s Universal-Paramount titles on TCM? It seems to me somebody at TCM - with enough interest and power of persuasion - could get this done. Universal cannot be a total brick wall. As was noted in another thread, they do make prints available for various fests around the country. What's the hold up? None of us is getting any younger...and before the apologists descend, I do pay plenty $ for cable (primarily to watch TCM) so my opinions/concerns are as valid as anyone elses. Does Universal simply not want to work with TCM? If not, why?

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I'm not making apologies or excuses, but why are you asking any of us? We message board members don't know any answers that won't come across as anything but an excuse in your eyes. You need to put your request in writing directly to TCM because I never, or rarely, see anyone from programming post here. For years you've been posting lists here. Why not write directly and ask for a written response. You could even send it registered and request a signed receipt so that you know they've received it.

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That's a good question. They seem to repeat a few of the same titles (Frankenstein, The Invisible Man and The Wolf Man) but where is Dracula? I don't believe some channel has a exclusivity agreement with Dracula so TCM needs to step it up if they want to remain cutting edge.

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As we've talked about in previous threads when you've brought this subject up (and which was noted in the Deanna Durbin thread in Hot Topics where this subject came up,) Universal had a major fire about five years ago that destroyed the building that housed 35mm prints (but not negatives), a very large number of video masters of Universal films and very rare sound recordings.

 

The loss was much larger than Universal originally copped to but in the aftermath, they basically said that they would not be replacing many of the 35mm prints (used for film festivals and film school screenings) or the video masters.

 

Because of that, Universal is no hurry to replace the lost masters and are concentrating on restoring their well-known film titles and their television series both of which bring in more $$ than the more obscure film titles that many here would love to see on TCM.

 

Until someone at Universal Home Video (which owns a large chunk of the non-silent Paramount film library) sees the potential of TCM and those obscure titles, there is little that TCM can do except to keep asking for the titles and being told, they are not available.

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When remakes are being considered, studios will sometimes pull the original or previous versions.

 

A new version is in the works and that may have something to do with it.

 

Or it may be that AMC has the rights and is holding off broadcasting it until October.

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I don't believe that remake has been in the works for five years. Maybe TCM believes Dracula is an obscure film. Here is a link to a thread that discussed Dracula not airing during an all day tribute to Bela Lugosi back in 2006. One poster said that Dracula hadn't even aired on Halloween 2005 and 2006. I don't believe it was aired on Halloween 2007 to Halloween 2012.

 

http://forums.tcm.com/message.jspa?messageID=7825964

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> Maybe TCM believes Dracula is an obscure film.

 

(spit take)

 

 

TCM has worked hard over the years to get the rights to the Universal horror films.

 

As to why *Dracula* hasn't aired on TCM in recent memory, it sounds more like a problem with Universal than TCM not wanting the film or not trying and ignoring the film's place in horror history.

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A *spit-take* is a comic technique in which someone spits a drink out of his or her mouth when he or she reacts to a statement.

 

*How très gauche !!*

 

Oh, how terribly naive of me to think that TCM would be blamed for the shortcomings that happen its way. Mind you, TCM never creates these situations; rather, they are foisted upon itself by all things in heaven and (hell).

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TCM works hard to clear rights to films that haven't been available for years and they work hard to bring films from various studios to the channel. There are articles around the web about the fire at Universal and the scope of what was lost. There are articles around the web that talk about how short sighted Universal can be concerning their classic film library.

 

You choose to believe that TCM considers *Dracula* an obscure film and that TCM has little interest in securing it for the channel.

 

I doubt that anything I (or anyone else) say at this point is going to change your mind.

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Well, after eight years TCM has not secured the rights to Dracula. That acutally predates the fire at Universal. Let's say that my remark about TCM thinking Dracula is an obscure film was hyperbole. I think TCM has to have some accountability for not being able to secure these film rights while other networks have access to them, especially sister stations like TNT and TBS. It's too easy to point the finger at Universal. It's too facile and pat. One reason TCM may not want to secure these rights is financial.

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First off: how can you not love this guy?:

 

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Second: I can only give you my personal thoughts and feelings on the matter which is that, yes, once upon a time, the programming was *really bad,* but - honestly- there has been a *wonderous turn around in the last three years.* I mean it, I've been saying this for a while and- *believe me no one is a harsher critic than I.*

 

(ed. note: I did something and the following paragraph is entirely in italics and apparently unchangeable)

 

(ed note 2: these are all off the top o' me head, I'm sure I'll remmeber a s***pile more after signing off.)

 

<address>The last two-three years have seen gobs of premieres- for whatever reason- and it's great. Some of the Usual Suspects have been allowed a rest. It was an utter thrill to check out *Down to the Sea in Ships, Hold Back the Dawn, Five Graves to Cairo, *So Proudly We Hail!, The Glass Key, The Blue Dahlia, many of the recent Friday Night Spotlight choices, ALL the precode stuff, the 1929 version of The Letter, Midnight Mary, dare I mention it?- Wilson, *Cluny Brown,* Johnny Guitar I didn't really care for Jesse James, Night Flight, In Old Chicago, The Razor's Edge, Deep Valley, Looooooooove is a Mannnnny Splendorrrred Thing, and some others, *but I'd watch them all again in a heartbeat.*

 

And heck, even The Iron Petticoat is new. </address>

Are things perfect? (esp. in regard to the Universal films of the 40's and 30's?) No. But, I will toss out: The Creature From the Black Lagoon (PREMIERE) Frankenstein, The Wolf Man The Bride of... and The Invisible Man (and Woman!) have all shown up on the network in full and unedited. Heretofore they'd only been broadcast on AMC and I would rather not discuss what *those people* do to films as I don't have all day to spend on this.

 

ps, TCM, look into getting The Old Dark House if you can. It's a fun one.

 

Alls I can give you on Dracula is that the blu-ray was recently released and it was restored. It looks pretty cool:

 

 

 

Alls I can give you on Universal is that I worked there once AND THEY ARE SOME OF THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE. Like, half my day was spent freeing executives who'd wandered into the supply closet and gotten lost. ( non sequitor- I held Dwight Frye's contract in me hands and it was crumbling to bits.)

 

(ed. note: This post is all over the place, I probably need to get to work.)

 

ps- re: title of the OP. thank you, I've always thought the word was spelled "exhasperated." as in, one's hasp had become undone. Learn something new every day.

 

Edited by: AddisonDeWitless on Jun 4, 2013 11:32 AM

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> {quote:title=Hibi wrote:}{quote}I wonder how Svengoolie gets to show so many Universal horror films on Metv? They are run constantly on Sat. nights (not every wknd, but quite a bit)....

Those MeTV shows with Svegoolie are from a station in Ohio and I've noticed the copyright dates at the end are from 2010 & 2011. There is a show every Sat night but I'm not sure there all Universal but he does state at the end "join us again for another Universal film" or something to that effect. I'm not sure this answers your ? but that's what I do know from the times I watched. I forget it's on usually until the movie is almost over so I mostly see the skits at the end.

 

Edited by: helenbaby on Jun 4, 2013 2:03 PM

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> {quote:title=AddisonDeWitless wrote:}{quote}Dunno, I'm a Count Floyd fan meself.

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> *ps- am I nuts or was there a "Cool Ghoul"" once upon a time as well hosting old horror films on tv?*

Did some research. Apparently yes:

 

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This is the character- looks kind of like the Old British Auntie of the Albino from The Princess Bride.

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There have been a lot of ghouls over the years. There was Ghoulardi in Cleveland back in the 60s. He may have been the original (I dont know) He also would insert himself into movies. He got in some trouble lampooning local tv personalities (who deserved the lampooning).....

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