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Thanks for the Canadian Content today!



We're so proud of our Canadian actors, directors, and contributions to the movie industry.



Have a great day and enjoy your 4th of July holiday, too! Mark H London ON



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Yeah, and I wouldn't even be too surprised if that actually happened. (Actually, it won't, I checked the Canadian TCM schedule and it's exactly the same as the American one today.)


It might have been a nice idea for TCM to air some actual made-in-Canada movies. Canada has been making wonderful movies for at least the past 3 decades.

Also, the NFB (National Film Board) has made many award-winning "shorts". If TCM could get permission to show them, its American viewers would have their eyes opened to how much film making talent there is north of their border.

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> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote}It would be funny if some of the "Canadian content" films are not shown in Canada because of rights issues, and the Canadians get, e.g., THE GAZEBO instead.


No, Finance, no such luck... Canadian and American schedules are in sync this Canada Day...



So, lots of Mounties ("Men of the North," "River's End," "Peg 'O The Mounted," "Rose Marie," "Northwest Rangers," "Northern Pursuit"), lumberjacks ("God's Country and the Woman"), gold miners ("The Cariboo Trail," "Men of the North"), and "Anne of Green Gables."



Even George Brent is in there with "God's Country and the Woman":http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028941/



The above film was actually shot in Washington State (Mount St. Helen's) and is based on a novel of the same title written by an American, James Oliver Curwood. Oh well...

Warner's first film in three-strip Technicolor.



So Hollywoood version of Canada today on TCM... I was surprised Americans get the same films today rather than just Canadians getting the "Canadian" stuff, but hope Americans enjoy it too...

Like I wrote above, Hibi has her George Brent, Errol Flynn plays a Mountie, Randolph Scott and "Gabby" Hayes are way up in northern British Columbia (Cariboo Trail is the real thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cariboo_Gold_Rush), Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy sing, and Anne Shirley as her namesake in "Anne of Green Gables." So something for everybody...



Canadians should read Pierre Berton's book "Hollywood's Canada" for more information.

A video (12 minutes) of Berton talking about his book (with funny commentary on 1921's "The Barbarian" with Monroe Salisbury as the Canadian barbarian and Jane Novak as the American damsel Miss Heatherton):




Oh, what else? One thing Americans should know about Mounties is that they only wear the "Red Serge" uniform with the Stetson on dress occasions: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/unif/index-eng.htm

The regular everyday uniform can be found at this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police#History_of_the_RCMP_uniform

and here: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/hist/hnud-nhut/nwmp-pcno-uni-eng.htm



So, even back in the 1930s and 1940s when many of today's Hollywood films take place, the everyday uniform was more like a regular police uniform. The "Red Serge" was worn on ceremonial occasions when a dress uniform was called for.



The RCMP official website even has a section on "The Mountie in Hollywood" that basically states that while the RCMP often provided technical advisors to films to get uniforms, etc., right, they were often ignored and directors did what they wanted, however inaccurate:




Anyway, *Happy Canada Day to my fellow Canucks!!*



See Canada even gets a Google Doodle today: http://www.google.ca/



We've made the big time!!



P.S. I understand why and what TCM offers for Canada Day, but wouldn't mind seeing some movies like:



"The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprenticeship_of_Duddy_Kravitz_%28film%29



"Goin' Down the Road": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goin%27_Down_the_Road



"The Grey Fox": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grey_Fox_%28film%29



"Mon oncle Antoine": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_oncle_Antoine



"Black Robe": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Robe_%28film%29



Any Canucks have other suggestions for TCM??



Canadian films I don't think we can ever hope to see on TCM, or should, are:



"Porky's": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porky%27s



"Trailer Park Boys: Countdown to Liquor Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_Park_Boys:_Countdown_to_Liquor_Day



"Meatballs": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatballs_%28film%29



"Strange Brew": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Brew


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Thanks for the Replies, guys.



FI, shall we call that phenomenon "The Gazebo Effect"?



At the top of my list of CDN movies is "Who Has Seen the Wind?" and "My American Cousin".



Shorts: "The Cat Came Back", "The Hockey Sweater".



Have a good day, eh. Mark H London ON






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Do you happen to know why Canadians and Americans sound so much alike?


Australians and British (English) sound a lot alike to me, much of the time, but not everyone, yet Australians and British do not sound like Americans and Canadians, yet Americans sound like Canadians.

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Well, Fred, what I've heard is this:

During the 19th century, many British convicts were exiled to Australia.( I'm not sure, but I believe once they landed on Australian soil they were free to make their own lives. )

Anyway, many, probably most, English prisoners were of "lower class" origins, so they had very thick, very distinctive accents. Cockney etc. This type of accent was strong enough to continue for generations in Australia; of course it changed from its original sound, but basically the Australian accent is derived from those Victorian criminals who were shipped out to the other side of the world.


Whereas for some reason, the British authorities back then did not seem to regard Canada the same way - in any case, it did not become a recepticle for lower class English conwicks (sp on purpose).

Maybe they thought Canada would be too harsh a punishment even for criminals ! (not really.)


So, there was not such a concentration of Cockney immigrants in Canada as there was in Australia, and thus the accents became more diluted over time in Canada.


I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but that story probably has something to do with it.

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The CBC used to show a lot of interesting Canadian films overnight, but now it seems it's just once every two weeks. Among Them were:




Turning Page

The Ginger Snaps Triology

Society's Child

Borderline Normal



It's A Boy Girl Thing

and some others I'm trying to recall


Anyway happy Canada Day from the Detroit area.






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Here's an absolutely delightful short ( very short) film from the National Film Board of Canada. It features a sweet song from Kate and Anne McGarrigle.

In case anyone's interested, Kate McGarrigle was mother to current singer/songwriters Rufus and Martha Wainwright - they don't work as a team, they're both independent artists, although I believe they sometimes sing on each other's recordings . Kate was married for a while to American songwriter Loudain Wainwright the Third. (He of "dead skunk in the middle of the road" fame.)


NFB with "The Log Driver's Waltz" :



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Hope you're groovin' hard to today's TCM lineup!!! It's a good one, particularly enjoyed the early talkies and the silent that led off the day!! Rock it!


And happy Canada Day to you and yours and all our other Canadian cool cats and kittens who are fans of TCM and members of the board!! Dig it!

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Residue from The Tower of Babel? I gotta think it's aboot Geography, eh :) - being separated from England for so long.



All the European immigrants to North America settling on English as the lingua franca. Regional accents form...



"American and England - two countries divided by a common language" - George Bernard Shaw?



I think of how well our CDN news readers do in the States - Peter Jennings, John Roberts, Kevin Newman, et al.



I love it when a Brit does an "American" accent - they flatten out their A's and O's - it really isn't too flattering to us.



There was an episode of The Andy Griffith Show where the guys were doing celebrity impersonations: Goober objected to having to do William Holden: "I can't - he talks just like everybody else" or words to that effect. :)



Have you ever heard a South African accent that sounds like it could be British or Australian? Thx MH






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> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote}

> It might have been a nice idea for TCM to air some actual made-in-Canada movies. Canada has been making wonderful movies for at least the past 3 decades.


Oh well, try making suggestions at the "Suggest a Movie" feature:



TCM needs title of movie and why it should be aired.

If you don't, maybe I will.


That being said, I understand why TCM is airing what it's airing.


And Canada Day is about celebrating and having fun. And some of the films today are certainly silly in their portrayal of Canada... Worth a laugh.


Did you see the Pierre Berton video clip I cited below with his commentary on 1921's "The Barbarian"? Funny...




What is ironic about many of today's films on TCM is that they were made by Warner Bros.

and the Warners spent time living in Canada. Jack Warner was born in London, Ontario, for example. Some of the films are from MGM and that studio's boss Louis B. Mayer lived in St. John, New Brunswick, as a young man... Oh well...


> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote}

> Also, the NFB (National Film Board) has made many award-winning "shorts". If TCM could get permission to show them, its American viewers would have their eyes opened to how much film making talent there is north of their border.


National Film Board of Canada (NFB) movies are available online:



Lots of good stuff there... I remember "The Railrodder" with Buster Keaton:




And the accompanying film "Buster Keaton Rides Again":



Great stuff... Full-length online at NFB site...

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misswonderly said...



It might have been a nice idea for TCM to air some actual made-in-Canada movies. Canada has been making wonderful movies for at least the past 3 decades...












In the late 1930's Columbia Pictures released 12 features that were produced in Canada by Central Films. They featured many Columbia players and often were set in Canada. As a fan of obscure Columbia "B"s of the 1930's I'd LOVE to see any or all of these on TCM:






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United Empire Loyalists came to what is now Canada after the American Revolution:



They left the American colonies voluntarily or were kicked out by force for remaining loyal to Britain.

American history ignores them and gives the false impression that all Americans wanted the British gone. In fact, a very sizable number of the American colonists remained loyal to Britain.


The British had only conquered French Canada in 1760 (French surrender of Canada, made official in 1763 by Treaty of Paris), so a large proportion of the non-French speaking population came from the American colonies after the American Revolution (Newfoundland is an exception and to this day they have a very distinct dialect there).

A large number of the loyalist American colonists settled in what is now Ontario.

As a matter of fact, the motto of the province is "Ut incepit fidelis sic permanet" - "Loyal she began; so she shall remain."

And there are still people in Canada who care about that loyalist history:



Also, all English-Canadians do not sound alike. Americans are probably most familiar with the Ontario dialect. But a Newfoundlander, a Nova Scotian and an Ontarian all sound different.

Americans have different dialects too. You know what I mean.


But this is getting away from today's Canada Day movies on TCM...



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I checked out your link at IMDB and read about some of the films and came across this comment by Les Adams (re: "What Price Vengeance"):


"The film was part of the British Quota Law that existed in the 1930's that basically said in order for films produced in the U.S. by U.S. producers and companies to be shown in Great Britain or any of the colonies, a certain number of films shot somewhere in the British Empire, with the majority of the cast and crew British subjects, had to be shown in the U.S.A. This posed no problems for the major studios who either had production facilities in England or working agreements with the major British producers, but Columbia had neither. In order to comply with the British Quota, so Columbia films could be shown in England and its far-flung outposts, Columbia entered into an agreement with Commonwealth Studios, headed by Canadian-producer Kenneth J. Bishop, in Willows Park, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada to finance and shoot films there for distribution through Columbia's film exchanges. Most of these films starred imported Columbia contractees such as Rita Hayworth, Charles Quigley,... "


These films are discussed in Donald Brittain's 1974 documentary

"Dreamland: A History of Early Canadian Movies 1895-1939."


The Canadian Film Encyclopedia discusses the films (produced by Kenneth J. Bishop) here:



To quote the article referring to the films:


"They were thoroughly generic and made under the supervision of Columbia Pictures. Bishop made frequent trips to Hollywood to ensure that the studio was happy with the product, and to oversee processing and editing, which were not done in Canada."


Also the article on "Quota Quickies": http://tiff.net/CANADIANFILMENCYCLOPEDIA/Browse/bysubject/quota-quickies


To quote the Canadian Film Encyclopedia article on the "quota quickies":


"Quota quickies contributed absolutely nothing to the creation of a domestic film identity. The effort to make them sapped the drive away from those Canadians who might have been able to take advantage of the positive possibilities the British quota law offered to Canadian production. In his book One Hundred Years of Canadian Cinema, George Melnyk argues that 'the quota quickies prefigured both the tax shelter mentality of the seventies and the American-led success of Vancouver production in the nineties' in that they 'played their own historical role in marking Canada’s transition from its British colonial past to its new imperial master, the United States.'"


Of course, Americans are still making movies in Canada that are about Americans and taking place in the United States (Toronto as Chicago, New York, etc...).


One of the "quota quickies," "Stampede," was filmed in Canada on Vancouver Island, but is supposed to take place in Montana.


Oh well...







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>Have you ever heard a South African accent that sounds like it could be British or Australian? Thx MH


Yes. A few years ago I talked to a lady at a fancy coffee place, and I thought she was from one of the Caribbean islands, so I asked her.


She said she was from South Africa. I told her that her accent was the most beautiful English accent I've ever heard, and it was. :)

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> {quote:title=MHanson wrote:}{quote}


> At the top of my list of CDN movies is "Who Has Seen the Wind?" and "My American Cousin".




Forgot about "Who Has Seen the Wind": http://tiff.net/CANADIANFILMENCYCLOPEDIA/content/films/who-has-seen-the-wind


That movie is old enough (1977) that it might be aired on TCM...



"My American Cousin" too as it was made in 1985: http://tiff.net/CANADIANFILMENCYCLOPEDIA/content/films/my-american-cousin



I always liked "Paperback Hero" with the Gordon Lightfoot song "If You Could Read My Mind":




That would be another suggestion to TCM. It was made in 1973.

American actors star in it, but it's set in Canada and is a Canadian story that the Canadian Film Encyclopedia describes as:

"one of the best films ever made about prairie life; it received warm re­views upon its release and was a modest box office success. The film won three Canadian Film Awards for cinematography, editing and sound recording."




I haven't seen it for a long time...


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Hey gang, our Day, and therefore our time here, is almost up!



Thank you to everyone who Replied and shared some great information.



I know I learned some stuff and have some CDN movies to hunt down!



WAY better than I imagined it ever would be! I hope all the Viewers enjoyed it!



All the best. Take care, eh. Mark H London ON



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I still wonder why Americans and Canadians sound so much alike. I mean, in general.


I would expect it in border towns, but over the years I've met some Canadians all over the US, and they all sounded like the rest of us, except for certain words.


For example "film" is often pronounced as "fill-em". If I wanted to catch a Canadian spy, I would ask him a question about film. :)


But I realize that might just be a regional accent for that word.


For years I thought Peter Jennings was from rich high-class family from the Northeast US, because I had talked to people in the Northeast who sounded like Peter Jennings. Then I learned he was from Canada. So maybe the people I had talked to were also from Canada.


My opinion is that we sound more alike than we sound like British or Australians because we grew up watching the same movies and listening to the same songs, and the same radio and TV stations. While the British (English) and Australians often had their own regional media that they listened to. So they sound a little different.

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Its been a while since I put my passport to use. Guess I will have to soon make another trip north of the border (US border). And I have a few dollars (Canadian, left over from the last trip ) that I have to spend. Always enjoy going up to visit our great neighbours to the North, eh!


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