Bogart Vs. Cagney Vs. Robinson

[TomJH]

Thanks very much for the info, mrroberts. It's good to know that the Sullivan show clip still exists and is available.

 

Somewhere, deep, deeeep, deeeeeeep, in my DVD collection, I have an old DVD release of Mr. Roberts. One day, when I'm in a mood for excavation (which is what it seems like, at times, because of the size of that disc collection, what price movie collectors mania) I'll go looking for my version to see if it has the Sullivan show on it, as well.

[DownGoesFrazier]

I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, that Sullivan had to cut the MR. ROBERTS scene short because it was cutting into Topo Gigio's time.

[jimred99]

Yes, Mrroberts, I have that new dvd also with Cagney, Fonda and Lemmon appearing on Ed Sullivan.

[mrroberts]

Both James Cagney and Edward G Robinson did several films that were biographies, playing real life persons of note. Both actors did very well in those efforts. Unless I am forgetting a film, Humphrey Bogart never played such a role. I'm not sure if that says anything about an actors talent, if Bogart had had the chance maybe he would have done well, although I'm having trouble imagining who Bogart could have portrayed.

[TomJH]

You're quite correct, mrroberts. Bogart never did play in a biography. With his well defined film persona it might have been quite the challenge for him, too.

 

Robinson had a strong screen persona, as well, yet he was successfully able to submerge it and effectively deliver an understated performance as Dr. Ehrlich. Off hand, I can't think of any other biographies in which Eddie G. worked, though he later played Daniel Webster in a TV adaption of The Devil and Daniel Webster.

 

Cagney, at the peak of his career in 1940, wanted to play Knute Rockne in the Warners biopic, in the role that went, instead, to buddy Pat O'Brien. According to Robert Osborne, the actor had been turned down for the role by Notre Dame itself because of a political stance he had taken at the time. I know nothing specifically beyond this except that this was a time when Cagney was fighting off accusations of Communism.

 

Soon after that, partially in response to those political problems, Cagney was waving the American flag in true patriotic fashion as fellow song-and-dance man George M. Cohan, a man with whom he had much in common, receiving his Oscar in the process. Yankee Doodle Dandy was Cagney's first film biographical role.

 

Later, towards the end of his career, would come subdued portraits as Lon Chaney and Bull Halsey. Cagney had great respect for Chaney, and, like the silent character actor, Cagney was a no-nonsense let's-do-the-job kind of actor who tried his best to withdraw from the limelight in his private life (though few did it quite so well as the extraordinarily private "Man of a Thousand Faces").

 

 

Cagney ready for a scene as the Phantom of the Opera in Man of a Thousand Faces

 

 

 

 

Cagney undergoing Phantom makeup. Chaney, who applied his own makeup as the Phantom, is said to have gone through great physical discomfort in playing this role, among others, according to legend. I doubt that Cagney had the same problems when doing his own recreation in the 1957 biopic.

 

 

Cagney as Chaney as Quasimodo

 

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Chaney as Quasimodo.

 

 

Cagney as Chaney as Quasimodo in a recreation of the same scene

 

As you can see, Cagney's recreation was only approximately close to the original. Still, Jimmy looked impressive and was doing his own "art" (how he would have hated anyone using that word, I suspect) by way of tribute to an actor he admired.

[mrroberts]

The more I think about this I guess the only time EGR did an actual bio film was as Dr Ehrlich. I have such a high opinion of Mr Robinson's work that I am just thinking he did several bios. Like we sometimes think that our heroes actually did walk on water . Oh well.

[JamesJazGuitar]

Just watched The Whole Town's Talking again (I missed the first 14 of the film the when it was shown a few weeks ago).

 

When E.G. is talking to Slugs in the prision (with Slugs believing he is talking to the meek Jones), Slugs uses the term 'coked up' when talking about Morgan. OR did I just hear that?

 

(oh, and I would of been watching football on Fox but for the 1st quarter or so of the Saints Bears game Fox had no sound for the announcers and when the sound came on it was the Spainish announcers feed!).

[TomJH]

With Mister Roberts playing on TCM this evening, it's interesting to report that James Cagney had an initially testy relationship with director John Ford at the start of this film, in spite of the fact that they had previously gotten along with each other while making What Price Glory? three years before.

 

According to Wikipedia, Cagney was surprised when Ford met him at the airport the day prior to the cameras starting to roll, informing the actor that they would "tangle ****" during production.

 

Cagney later said, "I would have kicked his brains out. He was so goddamned mean to everybody. He was a nasty old man."

 

The day after the airport meeting, Cagney showed up slightly late on the set and Ford began to go into a rant. Cagney immediately confronted him.

 

"When I started this you said we were going to tangle **** before this was over," the actor reported saying, "I'm ready now - are you?"

 

Ford walked away, and there would be no battle royal between them, but Cagney was clearly not a fan of the man.

 

Of course, there would be a punch thrown during the making of this film. There are various stories as to what happened that resulted in Ford's replacement on the film as director by Mervyn LeRoy. It's my understanding, however, that Ford struck Henry Fonda when the two had a difference in interpretation over either a scene or Robert's character.

 

Ford and Fonda, who had made so many wonderful films together, didn't speak to one another for years afterward.

[mrroberts]

John Ford seems to have been especially combative during the filming of Mister Roberts. From my Fonda bio book, Ford wanted to show his dominance from day one. His challenges to both Fonda (over the script ) and Cagney (over what, who knows?). When William Powell demonstrated early difficulties in remembering some lines Ford made no effort to try to accommodate him. So Fonda spent extra time with Powell rehearsing lines , out of respect for a fellow actor. Ford had picked Jack Lemmon for the Pulver part and maybe that is why Ford was more civil to the young actor. The actors all got along very well with one another , photographs of them sitting together during breaks show that. From what I have read about James Cagney he could be a very amicable man to work with but he would not tolerate being disrespected by anyone and would make that very clear.

[TomJH]

>From what I have read about James Cagney he could be a very amicable man to work with but he would not tolerate being disrespected by anyone and would make that very clear.

 

That's the impression that I have of Cagney, as well, mrroberts. He was very much his own man.

 

Without wanting to dwell upon the negative, it's a bit disheartening that when Cagney's health problems were increasingly catching up with him in his final years he had to surrender some of that fierce independence. He fell under the influence of Marge Zimmerman, a friend who became a caretaker, who, I believe, was also making financial decisions for him, as well. And there are those who have questioned just how positive Zimmerman was for Jimmy towards the end.

 

My knowledge about this final period of Jimmy's life is quite sketchy, however, I fully admit.

 

As for John Ford, it is well documented that this great filmmaker could also be a terrible son of a b---h who liked to find scapegoats on his film sets.

[mrroberts]

Ah, good old John Ford. You have to love him, and hate him.... As it seems most anyone who knew him or worked with him can attest to. But damn it the guy made some great movies.

[DownGoesFrazier]

Ford was getting older, and many men get more crotchety as they age.

[mrroberts]

Just watched *The Harder They Fall* which is a pretty good film on its own, but is remembered primarily for being Humphrey Bogart's last film. Bogart had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and still made this film, apparently with considerable difficulty. But he wanted to keep working and living a regular life as long as he could. Robert Osborne said Bogart had even signed on for a couple of future projects (maybe just to keep up appearances) . But the last few months of his life really went down hill, I have seen a few friends be ravaged from cancer, its a terrible ordeal for the person, family, and friends. You have to admire Bogart a lot for his courage in those last days.

[jimred99]

Did he have lung cancer?

[TomJH]

I think that Bogie went out with a really strong picture in The Harder They Fall (one of his better films of the '50s, in fact), and a film that still has an impact today as a statement upon the corruption and exploitation to be found in the fight racket. (Hello, Don King, are you reading this?).

 

The Budd Shulberg novel for this film adaption was based on the true life story of a giant Italian import backed by the mob, Primo Carnera, who became heavyweight champion in 1933. He became transformed in the film's screenplay into Argentine Toro Moreno, as played by huge Mike Lane.

 

Interestingly, the role of Buddy Brannen, the vindinctive hard hitting opponent who beats hell out of Toro in the film's realistically depicted final fight sequence, was played by former boxer Max Baer. This was the same fighter who had actually knocked out the real Carnera to take the championship from him in 1934! That's two times then, both real and reel, in which Baer would be victorious.

 

By the way, once in a while TCM plays a 1933 MGM feature called The Prizefighter and the Lady, starring Myrna Loy. This film stars a young Max Baer in the lead (Max was very popular at the time and had a lot of personality). Well, the real Primo Carnera also appears in this film (along with a few other former heavyweight champs). The film climaxes with Baer and Carnera having a movie fight for the championship just a few months before they did the same thing for real in the boxing ring.

 

You have to wonder how much these two men were trying to psyche one another on the MGM movie set since they knew that the real showdown between them was not far away, with Carnera putting his championship on the line.

 

As for post-Harder They Fall Bogart, there was talk of him appearing with Bacall in a comedy, Melville Goodwin, USA. In fact, there was a wardrobe test done for it at Warner Brothers.

 

Here is the YouTube link to that test. Outside of the possiblity of a home movie, I believe that this may well be the last time that Bogart was ever recorded on film:

 

 

 

You can see Bogie and Bacall joking around about their heights (she's in high heels and as tall as him). The comedy would later be made as Top Secret Affair, with Kirk Douglas and Susan Hayward.

 

And, yes, mrroberts, it's well documented that Bogart was extraordinarily courageous in those final months, as the cancer was increasingly turning the actor into a skeletal figure. He would still entertain old friends and guests in his home (people like Sinatra and Judy Garland), with whom, of course, he shared drinks.

 

Towards the very end, as he became increasingly weakened, Bogart would be lowered into the living quarters in a wheelchair through a dumb waiter. It's my understanding that the cancer itself was never discussed, that the emphasis would be upon anecdotes or good times. Bogart showed remarkable grace under pressure.

 

There are some stories about the very end. Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn visited Bogie the day before he died. According to Hepburn as they were about to depart, "He (Bogie) looked up at Spencer with the most rueful smile and said 'Goodbye, Spence,' and you could tell that he meant it. He'd always said 'Good night' before. When we went downstairs Spence looked at me and said, 'Bogie's going to die.'"

 

Bogart's final words were spoken to Lauren Bacall when she was about to briefly depart to pick up their children from Sunday school. Depending upon your source, those words were either "Goodbye, kid" or "Goodbye, kid. Hurry back."

 

By the time she returned the actor had slipped into a final coma.

 

Here's a YT clip from Bogart's funeral. It almost looks like a Who's Who of Hollywood attending where you can see Bacall, Huston, Tracy, Peck, Flynn and so many others making their final goodbyes:

 

 

 

But the legend of Bogart, as we all know, still thrives today.

 

[DownGoesFrazier]

Not lung cancer. Throat cancer,

[AndyM108]

Tom, if ever I needed an excuse to visit these forums, posts like the one you just made would be very high on the list. Great information and even better links.

 

And yes, I've also thought about the dynamic that was going on between Baer and Carnera during the filming of The Prizefighter and the Lady, which stands on its own as a terrific fight flick. Max Baer was quite a story in his own right, and it's too bad that the otherwise first rate Cinderella Man was spoiled by its unfair portrayal of him as a braggart and a thug. He was indeed brutal within the ring, but far from that once the fight was over.

[TomJH]

Andy, thanks very much for the comments.

 

Max Baer's Buddy Brannen character in The Harder They Fall (based, by extension, upon his own real role in Carnera's life story), is portrayed by Maxsie as hard boiled and vicious. I haven't seen Cinderella Man but it sounds like the film about Jim Braddock, the man who took the crown from Baer, picked up where this portrait left off.

 

The real Baer, of course, had a reputation as a fun loving playboy clown. After taking the championship from Carnera and visiting him in the hospital after the fight, Baer found that they couldn't find a bed long enough for the towering Italian, and was amused to find that Carnera's feet were sticking out at the end of the bed. Typical of Baer's fun loving personality he started to play "this little piggy went to market" with his opponent's toes.

 

That's not exactly the kind of character that Baer portrayed in Harder They Fall. However, since that film was intended as a hard hitting indictment of boxing, it would have been inappropriate to have Toro Moreno's conquerer be, essentially, a nice guy who has to do a hard job in the ring, which was the real Max Baer.

 

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A behind the scenes shot from The Harder They Fall. Bogart posing with Max Baer and Jersey Joe Walcott, another former heavyweight champ who played Toro Moreno's trainer in the film. That smile on Baer's face is indicative of the real Max. His son, of course, would soon go on to fame on television as Jethro in The Beverly Hillbillies.

 

Isn't it interesting that two former champs, Baer and Walcott, now both retired, would actively participate in a film that was an indictment of the sport in which they had gained their fame. Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

 

[mrroberts]

If Max Baer Sr was anything like Jr, well I guess that says a lot. I really like the recent film *Cinderella Man* , one of the few new films I can say that about. If the portrayal of Max Baer in that movie is that wrong its a shame, for Baer and the movie's credibility. I guess the purpose was to draw a stark contrast between good guy family man Braddock and the "evil' opponent. But that doesn't excuse distorting the image of the other man. Back to the movie, *The Harder They Fall* , that film had to step on a few toes when it came out. Much in the same way as *On The Waterfront* did a few years earlier.

[TomJH]

It's interesting, mrroberts, that you should compare The Harder They Fall to On the Waterfront, considering some of the advertising that Columbia decided upon for the Bogart film:

 

 

Max Baer died of a heart attack in 1959, just three years after the release of Harder They Fall. And the man who hadn't taken "Cinderella Man" Braddock seriously in their heavyweight championship film, losing the title as a result, was always a joker. Even at the very end of his life.

 

After he suffered from chest pains at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel and was told by the desk clerk that he'd send him a house doctor, Baer responded, "A house doctor? No, dummy, I need a people doctor."

 

A few minutes later, after receiving some medicine from the doctor and oxygen from the fire department, with his chest pains subsiding, Baer started joking with the doctor. A second heart attack suddenly struck, Baer slumping to his side and turning blue. His last words, according to some, were "Oh God, here I go."

 

In the Harder They Fall, as vicious Buddy Brannen, Baer says, "When I butcher a guy, I want the whole world to know about it."

 

In real life, however, that same Max Baer had some memorable quotations of a different kind:

 

"I got a million dollar body and a ten cent brain."

 

"I define fear as standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early."

 

"He hit me 18 times while I was in the act of falling."

 

"Joe Louis beat me so hard I saw 7 of him. I tried hitting the one in the middle but the other six just kept beating the hell out of me."

 

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By the way, Mark Robson, who directed Harder They Fall, had earlier directed another famous boxing drama, Champion, the 1949 film that had made a star of Kirk Douglas.

[jimred99]

Tom, They say Cagney was at Bogie's funeral but that clip don't show him. Also was EGR there?

[jimred99]

Here's Cagney's funeral-

[TomJH]

Jim, I've never heard that either Cagney or Robinson were at Bogart's funeral, but I don't know for sure. You say that you've heard that Jimmy was there. Do you recall your source, by chance?

 

Truth is, I've always wondered if either of Bogie's two tough guy Warners cohorts did manage to see him off at the end. Neither appeared on the YT clip of the funeral posted earlier in the thread.

[TomJH]

I know that some will regard this You Tube clip as a bit tacky, perhaps, but I simply loved this Diet Coke commercial when it played on television so long, long ago, in 1992.

 

Among other things, this brilliantly edited piece was saying that both Cagney and Bogart (along with that inimitable icon of jazz, Satchmo) were "cool" to a younger generation.

 

 

 

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Re the Bogart/Baer/Walcott photo...

 

I remember reading in Richard Gehman's bio of Bogart (my almost 50-year-old copy is buried in storage) that Bogie used the pic or one from that session, for a trade ad spoof.

 

So, I went searching online and found this:

 

 

Wednesday Evening, December 14, 1955. Hollywood's "New Faces Draws Retort From Bogart HOLLYWOOD (UP)--Hollywood- Ites nearly swallowed their coffee cups tihis morning when they saw movtetown's funniest gag in years --a poke at Hollywood's ".new faces" campaign by that salty character, Humphrey Bogart. Several studios recently launched a spirited drive for the press, public and theaters to cooperate in the "building of new stars." But Bogie counterattacked with an equally spirited defense of the old ones. In the movie trade paper appeared a photograph of Bogart, Max Baer and Jersey Joe Walcott, three un-young workers in the boxing expose picture, "The Harder They Fall." The'caption read: "Nails Bogart, Spike Baer and Tack Walcott--the oldest permanent new faces now available." Bogart is wearing a Marlon Brando-type torn sweatshirt and the others Tony Curtis-type how ties. Today the perpetrator of this spoof explained why he declared war on the "new faces" search. "New faces?" he snorted. "Why don't they lift the old faces? "The studios are full 01 hot air. Every couple of years studio heads say this. If they're going to make new stars, why haven't they made them by now? Brando and Jimmy Dean weren't made stars by studios. Studios can't make stars. After Miss Monroe left Fox they made some 'new star' as a substitute, but her name escapes me. "Every time I had a fight with Jack Warner when I was und-er contract to him he'd say, 'Why, I'll make two new Bogarts.'

 

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