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sfpcc2, October 9, 2013 in General Discussions
Most of them (LOL).
>Sepiatone said: I liked that phrasing, "no redeeming social value".
I'm sure most of us here can list hundreds of movies, ABSENT of sex and nudity, that fill that bill!
Boy! You can say that again.
And I don't mind nudity as long as there are subtitles.
It was banned in Boston, and when at last it did arrive upon those Massachusetts marquees, it was only by way of a 1969 ruling of the Supreme Court. See Wiki.
Truly! I'd no idea TCM had become so broadminded and permissive of late. Why there's more **** hair on screen throughout that film than hummocks of harrowed hay on a country drive through Kansas in October.
Not that I'm objecting. No, because having seen it now for the first time ever, and in spite of my remaining reticence over whether I dare play the VHS tape I recorded for my wife, I must say that I thought it brilliant, and found it laugh out loud hilarious. Frankly, I could go on and on about it, in expression of the view that it is simply NOT a "dirty movie". Is it something about the Swedish, they should have a talent for making even the most explicit sex look fresh, and clean, innocent and funny--and revolutionary no less?
Little Lena Nyman, what a fabulous talent! So darn cute and funny.
Now all I want to know is when does TCM have "I Am Curious (Blue) scheduled for another wee hours sneaky time showing?
To state the obvious (which I don't see anyone having said in the four pages of this thread so far):
TCM is broadminded and permissive of late because they're bundling up a whole lot of films in and around The Story of Film series. Mark Cousins' cited IACY in this week's episode, et voila!
I think it's great. In fact there are too many films and filmmakers in the series that we're still not getting to see that break my little heart. But I realize there are limits to what the channel can acquire and air.
Don't see how that has anything to do with the change of standards made glaringly evident by the airing of this motion picture for the first time ever on TCM--unless I miss my guess.
If there's anything "obvious" in this, it's a growing perception at TCM that public standards are evolving and loosening up, even to the extent that they are willing to risk going so far as to stand on the conviction that if the Supreme Court says it's okay, so does TCM. And that, my fine film fan friend is a great leap forward.
>Don't see how that has anything to do with the change of standards made glaringly evident by the airing of this motion picture for the first time ever on TCM--unless I miss my guess.
NewYorkGuy is right, the film is accompanying the *Story of Film* multi-episode documentary that has been running on Monday nights/early Tuesday mornings since September. The series concludes in mid-December.
Since the director of the *Story of Film* is from Europe, he tends to concentrate on European films as well as American films to tell the story. Also, as his documentary progresses through its timeline, he talks about a wide range of films, including those that were X-rated on their original release.
The film did not air during during the day nor during prime time hours (8:00 - 11:00 in most time zones). It aired late at night (12:30 am PST/3:30 am EST and it was advertised for mature audiences.
That's progress, to attract a younger demographic.
After a couple of years of this, then will come the next stage, then the next, then the next. It has to keep changing because the older audience members keep dying off. Teens now will have their own favorite shasher films shown as Essentials in a few years. Then after that, the next stage, then the next.
Big deal,... I can hardly wait ! YAWN !!
This type of stuff has been on YouTube for years. There is a secret way to get to it. I found it by accident. Very strange. Most obvious keywords are blocked, but there are back doors.
I can see that stuff as much as I want on The Movie Network Channels, but I don't bother, after all, it can get boring after awhile. After all, there is not much acting involved.
Yes, it does get boring. I got bored with it back in the late 60s when many film companies began slipping nude scenes into major movies, to attract attention, such as LAST TANGO IN PARIS. Which has no plot. Just Brando and some dame naked. That was the whole point of the film.
>FredCDobbs said: That's progress, to attract a younger demographic.
>After a couple of years of this, then will come the next stage, then the next, then the next.
There has to be some saturation point. When will the things we deem shocking, frightening, repulsive, offensive, etc. - when will these things no longer affect the population's moral standards - as they may be at some future date? Will there come a time when absolutely nothing is offensive to anyone? Probably not, but I believe we will come close to this - by today's standards, at least. There will be innate morals and ethics that most people will unlearn or cast aside for their hedonistic desires and some will retain their innate morals and ethics - the new minority. Perhaps a life containing nothing we see as offensive will offend the future populace - role reversal! Ha!
>FredCDobbs said: Yes, it does get boring. I got bored with it back in the late 60s when many film companies began slipping nude scenes into major movies, to attract attention, such as LAST TANGO IN PARIS. Which has no plot. Just Brando and some dame naked. That was the whole point of the film.
LOL! I think the stick of oleo got an Oscar nomination for best supporting.. it had the best part
<< Will there come a time when absolutely nothing is offensive to anyone? >>
When nothing is wrong with "The Tin Drum" (1979)
>Well, there are plenty of things that are offensive in modern theatrical films today..
Definitely. More and more people are, and will be, becoming desensitized to this material. That's the direction I was leading into. Very similar to the differences in social standards between every group of people on Earth today. What repulses one pleases the other. I believe, more and more, the sight of a fellow human being mutilated in front of you (the future you) will have no more effect, perhaps less, than a glass of spilled milk at the dinner table.
What, in a future film, will be utilized to evoke sadness, revulsion - fear, even?
Certainly slasher films, bondage, torture films are much much more offensive than nudity or porn! One only has to turn on CNN to see that kind of torture going on in real life today, That is what makes my stomach churn !
Teenagers today are sending nude pics of themselves over their iphones. Do you really think they are going to be interested in I Am Curious Yellow ? So much for the younger demographics !
>Kidd_Dabb wrote: Will there come a time when absolutely nothing is offensive to anyone?
>hamradio replied: When nothing is wrong with "The Tin Drum" (1979)
I've yet to see this film, but from what I've read about it, you have picked an excellent example.
I think the stick of oleo got an Oscar nomination for best supporting..it had the best part.
OMG, that is so funnie'...
It gives new meaning to 'churning butter'!
<< in Latin America, suspected criminals are often lynched, beaten to death, stoned to death, drowned >>
Or in Afghanistan.
> Kid_Dabb wrote:
> Will there come a time when absolutely nothing is offensive to anyone?
I believe the number of things which are considered offensive is growing.
The old words and images are losing their stigma but they were at all times limited in number and the list of things which are replacing them are legion.
A list of fifty words and concepts which: The New York City Department of Education has listed as offensive includes:
Birthday, Cancer, Christmas, Dinosaur, Gambling, Hunting, Nuclear Weapons, Poverty and Slavery.
Television may show murders but not people smoking.
Movies may show male genitalia but not minstrels.
>Or in Afghanistan.
I mentioned Latin America because I receive 4 Spanish-language TV channels and they show this type of stuff on their news channels.
I don't receive any Afghanistan channels.
You can probably find this type of stuff in many countries. But in some countries, like the US, they might be called by names other than "lynchings", such as "drive-by shootings", "gang wars", etc., and the video scenes of the crimes are usually heavily censored and edited by US channels and news networks
As a matter of fact, I can see IED bombs blowing up US military vehicles in Afghanistan and Iraq on the Latin American channels, while these scenes are censored on US channels and are not shown on them.
The US/Canadian News channels show enough violence as to what is going on over there, we certainly do not need to see more of it. We get the picture !
>As a matter of fact, I can see IED bombs blowing up US military vehicles in Afghanistan and Iraq on the Latin American channels, while these scenes are censored on US channels and are not shown on them.
This brings to mind an episode of the original Star Trek TV series: A Taste of Armageddon
The populations are shielded from the realities of their war(s), all the while submitting to real executions. There is no horror to create the fear needed to bring war to an end. The inhab - itants of both worlds have become completely disconnected by censoring to the Nth degree.
"NewYorkGuy is right"
Right about what? Nothing there to be 'right' about. The fact that . . .
"the film is accompanying the Story of Film multi-episode documentary"
has absolutely NOTHING to do with this change of standards at TCM. It doesn't matter a damn in what context the film is being shown. What's the matter with your heads, eh?
What can you possibly imagine you are talking about--or disagreeing with? There is no logic, not a hint of reason in what either one of you is trying to put over.
So blow off with your silly jive. And do not dream of trying to make a **** of me, over whatever petty, silly damned nonsense you can drum up. Try being friendly and polite to a new face at the party instead of trying to pull this school-yard, drip-nosed brat attack crap. Because I won't put up with it. Got me?
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