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Is It A Classic or Is It Just Porn?


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I was surprise this last week to find not only movies made within the last decade but as I turned my T.V. on to TCM as usual I got a shot of a couple doing it in full view. I normally don't complain of such things but on TCM, come on now. The movie first of all was made in 2009,CLASSIC? come on now your slippen TCM. Then to have nudity not in a way to project art or even in a artful manner it was plain two people getting it on, right on my favorite channel which I thought I'd never see a movie in my days as a classic made in the 2000's let alone a nothing better than a porn. I didn't see any particular skill or technique in this movie to set it above any other movie with nudity and sex so why was it on TCM?

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I just posted this reply to the same thread you created in Hot Topics:

 

Those films were part of *The Story of Film* which just ended. The series began in late September and concluded last week.

 

*The Story of Film* was a multi-part documentary on the history of film by Mark Cousins and TCM programmers provided programming on Monday evenings/nights that focused on the themes of the documentary for each week.

 

In mid to late November, as *The Story of Film* began to concentrate on more modern films, TCM moved the series into a later time period than normal. They did this because of the provocative nature of some of the films. The films could not run during prime time and because TCM only has one satellite feed for both coasts, the more provocative films and the documentary itself aired after 11:00 pm on the west coast.

 

If you look over the next three months of programming, you will see that TCM is not really changing to feature more modern films or films of a provocative nature. They are focusing mainly on studio era films with the usual smattering of post-1960 films.

 

Even the annual *31 Days of Oscar* in February, which usually has a higher percentage of modern films from the 1980s-2000s because the channel is celebrates the history of the Academy Awards, focuses much more on studio era films this year.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

ps- Just wanted to let you know that creating threads on the same topic in multiple forums is frowned on the Web Admin.

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What I find interesting is that new posters (at least they are new to me), take the time to come to this forum to post a complaint about TCM's programming.

 

Well why not FIRST use the website to learn more about TCM's programming. Hey, I admit I was surprised by some of the films associated with The Story of Film series. I even had to check to ensure I was actually watching TCM since some of those movies didn't 'fit' what TCM normally shows.

 

But I used the TCM website to learn more what the series was going to present. Note I'm not trying to chase away a new poster. I'm just trying to understand what makes them tick.

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I believe the reference is to a Mexican film (missed the title) which shown a couple side by side naked in bed, then later, through the window, showed the woman presumably on top of the man.

 

An earlier chapter showed a woman giving birth (this from the Russian film *Wednesday*).

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yes, indeed this has become a tiresome subject to we regular viewers.

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Most, if not all these complaints have been due to the films shown in relation to the Cousins' documentary series which has been running for months now. But with the later chapters being shown so late, and with no fanfare or promotion, occasional viewers were probably not aware it was being shown or why so many newer foreign films were being aired. So for that part of it, I suppose, we can blame TCM, who perhaps could have kept airing promo segments for as long as the series aired, with mention of airtimes of the later chapters which stopped being broadcast during primetime because of the "mature content" of some scenes ( which should have been explained more obviously).

The scene to which the gentleman may be referring was only one scene from a film Cousins used as an example of how a certain Mexican filmmaker (don't remember name) was trying to portray how different social strata in Mexico had a hard time coming together, I believe. The point being the sharing of a bed of a fair-skinned female with a Latino man. If the viewer had stuck around, he would have heard more explanation.

So, sorry if he was offended, but, for myself I have been interested in the series and the accompanying films which have, at least, taught me a bit about different world views of cinema and many international filmmakers that were new to me.

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>The scene to which the gentleman may be referring was only one scene from a film Cousins used as an example of how a certain Mexican filmmaker (don't remember name) was trying to portray how different social strata in Mexico had a hard time coming together,

 

Here is an EXCELLENT modern Mexican film about "different social strata", which is photographed and made in a true CLASSIC film style that reminds me of The Grapes of Wrath.

 

This is a very sad and very beautiful to watch. It is heart wrenching and tragic. It's about the land reform movement among the peasants in Chiapas, a Mexican state where rich land owners bribe the local military to throw peasants off their own land and murder them if they fight back. This is a kind of Graps of Wrath film about poor peasants in Mexico.

 

The star of this film is an 80 year old Mexican man who had never made a movie before. He has only one hand, yet he plays a violin beautifully.

 

The photography is stunning, the dialogue gripping, the story is tense, sad, and shocking.

 

I've tried for several years to get TCM to show this beautiful, artistic, and CLASSIC Mexican film, made in 2005:

 

*El Violin* completa ) english subtitles

 

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSisAXqNm0o*

 

THIS IS MODERN CINEMA ART FROM MEXICO

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The line between rated R / NC-17 material and true X / XXX pornography can sometimes be blurry. If its not rated X (soft porn) or XXX (hard) then its not porn.

 

On an episode of "All In The Family", Archie Bunker refers to it as Hard por chorenography.

LOL!

 

Edited by: hamradio on Dec 13, 2013 9:25 PM

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As time marches on it gets more confusing. Some X rated been changed to NC-17 which adds to the confusion.

 

One of the most odd film ratings given to a movie was "Evil Dead" (1981) with an X ! Movie only had gore, no nudity (just a 1 second flash past a window), soft language and thats it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC-17_rated_films

 

I guess the difference between what soft and hard would be comparing Playboy to Hustler.

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Then there's the individual's assessment. My Mom refused to watch any Robin Williams movie because she said she has no use for "such smut". Really? Robin Williams?

 

Some people view any movie with any level of nudity as "porn", and others are more tolerant. Certainly, any movie with actual sex scenes, complete with "close-ups" of the action can be considered pornography, but simple nudity with the sex implied, I don't feel is pornographic. Even if the sexual implication and nudity are gratuitous.

 

Sepiatone

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Wow, I just came here today to kvetch about the Maisie movies. Who knew they were so bad. But they are.

 

NOW you're telling me that there are not only unclassic movies on the formerly great TCM which hardly ever shows classic movies anymore, but that TCM is showing porn??????????????

 

Whattayaknow.

 

Ben, the old grey TCM ain't what she used to be. Good luck in getting many to agree with you, even if you are 1000% correct.

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Hopefully there aren't many left in the rotation, because Up Goes Maisie was pure drek.

 

I wonder, was she soft core porn for the 1940s? Was she the only one who didn't know her dress style was used by street walkers?

 

What WAS the intent of the Maisie movies and why was a perfectly good Ann Sothern wasted on these garbagio movies?

 

Phew.

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There's no such rating as XXX. It's merely a marketing invention created by the porn industry. For the MPAA, X and XXX were one and the same and so it never used a XXX designation.

 

Thanks for claryfying. I'd thought that "XXX" was not a real MPAA rating but I wasn't sure.

 

I read that when MIDNIGHT COWBOY was first released it was given a rating of X by the MPAA and that this film was the only X-rated movie to date to be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. In fact, it WON the Best Picture Oscar. Today the movie on DVD has an R rating. I was watching the movie with my sister a few years ago and she couldn't believe that it was at one time considered deserving of an X rating.

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> Otherwise...it's good clean fun.

 

Saw a TV ad for those "Dean Martin Roast" video collections. In it was a clip of Nipsey Russell saying, "I once said to Dean, 'Man, all you do is drink, carouse and chase women. Don't you know what good, clean fun is?' and Dean said, 'No. What good is it?' "

 

There were a lot of movies back in the day that caused controversy due to content that are considered pretty tame by today's audience. My daughter wondered the same thing about MIDNIGHT COWBOY. CARNAL KNOWLEDGE was another eyebrow raiser back then. There's always been the stories of people getting "the vapors" when Clark Gable said, "I don't give a damn" in GONE WITH THE WIND, which today is standard fare. In fact, much WORSE is standard fare. Indeed, however, there seemed to be more movies with MORE blatant sexual content and nudity back in the '80's than today. It was why many people tuned into CINEMAX on their cable.

 

Sepiatone

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Sepiatone wrote:

<< My Mom refused to watch any Robin Williams movie because she said she has no use for "such smut". Really? Robin Williams? >>

 

What exactly does she think happened in "Popeye"? Tell her humanity was *spared* ANY sex scenes.yuck.gif

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Edited by: hamradio on Dec 29, 2013 1:11 PM

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