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Boycotting Woody Allen Films??

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Most men are ATTRACTED to bimbos, like kids are to candy. But they couldn't live on a steady DIET of them. Which is why I always thought Paul Newman was eventually attracted to Joanne Woodward.

 

Sepiatone

 

Bingo. And that's yet another example of why Newman was always a cut above the average movie star.

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Anyone that knows me here knows I'm no fan of bimbos if they have read my comments about Monroe, Manfield, Harlow etc... I go for the Audrey Hepburn types.

 

(take the movie on last night; Red Dust, I'm a lot more attractive to the Astor character than the Harlow one).

 

Ok, Andy your giving a wink here again, I get that, but you still manage to insult anyone that doesn't agree with you with regards to Keaton, twice. So Dargo has you pegged.

 

My point about Annie Hall related to her be annoying not to Diana Keaton's looks. We just feel different as it relates to Annie Hall's screen persona (I find it somewhat annoying). But going from that to 'you must love bimbos' is a cheap shot.

 

PS: anyhow, no harm, no foul. I just question your lack of logic here. If someone says 'I don't like fish', the only reply isn't 'yea, I know most people can't get enough burgers'. For all you know they could be a vegan!

 

Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 27, 2014 11:34 AM

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Anyone that knows me here knows I'm no fan of bimbos if they have read my comments about Monroe, Manfield, Harlow etc... I go for the Audrey Hepburn types.

 

(take the movie on last night; Red Dust, I'm a lot more attractive to the Astor character than the Harlow one).

 

Ok, Andy your giving a wink here again, I get that, but you still manage to insult anyone that doesn't agree with you with regards to Keaton, twice. So Dargo has you pegged.

 

Of course I love Harlow in Red Dust and she's in my all time top 5 of actresses. And I don't see much in Astor in just about any movie. But then I married the gamine to end all gamines, cut straight from the Audrey mold and still that way in her mid-50's. So I'm not always walking in a straight line. ;)

 

And Keaton? Well, I just like her style (in Annie Hall, anyway), annoyances aside.* No actress can be as annoying in many instances as Katharine Hepburn, and yet to me her outsized personality and originality (as well as her looks) trump everything negative.

 

One thing I've noticed in the years of watching TCM: In the B&W studio era, the Bimbos are almost always relegated to secondary parts, usually as comic props who are also full of snappy one-liners. Whereas the leading women, aside from comedies, are always multi-dimensional and nearly always interesting. Maybe that's a good part of what leads me to go for movies from that era.

 

* Part of Annie's appeal is her invention of her own sense of fashion, which may have been just a gimmick but to me signaled a disregard for convention that I always find attractive. "Androgynous" or not, it's not too hard to figure out that there's a woman underneath the clothing.

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Since I wish to keep on a positive track I agree with you that in many studio era films (films made before the 60s women movement), that most leading women are "multi-dimensional and nearly always interesting" while the bimbos are mostly the secondary characters.

 

But I'm very surprised you're so in love with the Harlow persona, which is clearly a borderline bimbo persona (if not full on), in most of her movies. In Red Dust Gable dismisses her because she is a bimbo. He decides to be with her at the end only because of honor and the fact there is no other women around. Once he meets a non bimbo Harlow will be forgotten.

 

In Libeled Lady, Harlow is less of a bimbo but still has the bimbo part compared to the Loy character. Yea, Harlow wasn't always cast as a bimbo (Wife and Secretary being one).

 

So your right when you say; "So I'm not always walking in a straight line".

 

There is a fairly large gap between the Harlow and Audrey Hepburn screen personas. (as well as their looks).

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My two cents' worth (and that means it's really worthless, because the individual cent doesn't even exist in Canada anymore.):

 

Guys, I think maybe Andy was just being really enthusiastic, to the point of hyperbole, in his original comment about Diane Keaton and Annie Hall.

Come on, you don't think he was literally saying anyone who did not find Keaton in her Annie Hall persona attractive did not love life? Andy was just taking a brief walk on the over-the-top-to-get-across-how-he-feels highway.

 

finance once wrote a post on these boards to the effect that he assumed every woman was wildly attracted to Warren Beatty. He didn't claim that any woman who wasn't didn't "love life", but he did imply that, from what he understood, no woman could resist Beatty.

 

But in fact, I am not only NOT attracted to Warren Beatty, I don't even like the way he looks.

But I didn't take finance's observation as an affront to my personal taste in men, he was "just saying", as the expression goes.

 

Of course, it is a bit different, because fi was repeating what he'd heard, not expressing a personal opinion about Mr. Beatty, since fi himself has no interest that way in Warren Beatty or any other male actor.

 

All I'm saying is, when you read something like Andy's comments about Annie Hall/Diane Keaton, just take it as a measure of the poster's extreme enthusiasm, not literally as a condemnation of anyone who doesn't share his attraction to her.

 

I think there might have been a little over-reaction happening here.

 

(If I were given to using smiley face emoticons, I'd type one in here.)

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misswonderly, you said it better than I ever could, and you got it right. Mercy buckets, or whatever it is the French say on such occasions.

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:)

 

(never mind winky emoticons, I rarely even use this kind. So you know I'm feeling really good-natured when I do. I also don't use "LOL's", but that's another story.)

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Since I wish to keep on a positive track I agree with you that in many studio era films (films made before the 60s women movement), that most leading women are "multi-dimensional and nearly always interesting" while the bimbos are mostly the secondary characters.

 

But I'm very surprised you're so in love with the Harlow persona, which is clearly a borderline bimbo persona (if not full on), in most of her movies. In Red Dust Gable dismisses her because she is a bimbo. He decides to be with her at the end only because of honor and the fact there is no other women around. Once he meets a non bimbo Harlow will be forgotten.

 

In Libeled Lady, Harlow is less of a bimbo but still has the bimbo part compared to the Loy character. Yea, Harlow wasn't always cast as a bimbo (Wife and Secretary being one).

 

Physically, I don't find Harlow all that spectacular compared to Loretta Young or Clara Bow, but maybe it's just because I've read too many stories about the effects of her poor health on her breath.

 

But lord, do I love her screen persona as a whole. She's the funniest actress (on the screen, anyway) who ever lived, I LOVE her accent, she's almost always goodhearted, and she's got a personality the size of a house. Never once have I thought of her in any way as a Bimbo (except maybe in Hell's Angels, which I've only see once several years ago).

 

In fact, I might even say that if you don't love Jean Harlow, you don't love life. ;)

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There are a lot of winking and smiling emoticons appearing on this thread, among others.

 

I'm not trying to sidetrack a good thread but, just out of curiosity, where do you find them? I haven't been able to use them ever since TCM changed its software.

 

By the way, just to keep on proper thread track here, I find Diane Keaton to be the loveliest actress that I have ever seen (wink, wink). See what I had to resort to? Right there I wanted to use the winky face but couldn't.

 

Anyone care to tell me what magical keyboard powers everyone seems to be conjuring in order to create those emoticons?

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:) smiley face = colon then a parenthesis : then )

winky one ;) =semi-colon then a paretheses ; then )

laughing face :D = capitol D then :

sad face :( = colon : then a parenthesis (

 

no spaces between the colon and the parenthesis, just one after the other.

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I'm a little confused. You're suggesting that the Keaton character in ANNIE HALL was the anti-bimbo? She certainly didn't remind me of any rocket scientist that I ever met.

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Thanks very much, lavender b.

 

And now for the test:

 

I love Broadway Danny Rose. :)

 

I really love Annie Hall. D:

 

I wouldn't like a year without a Woody Allen release. :(

 

All this colon talks makes me uncomfortable. ;)

 

 

PPS: Three out of four. That's pretty good. But what went wrong with my laughing face. (Maybe I don't really love Annie Hall?)

 

Edited by: TomJH on Mar 27, 2014 2:12 PM

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Tom, do : then D for the laughing one ( I reversed it ) :D

see how : are the eyes and D looks like a smile

 

You're Welcome Tom, have fun ;):):D

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Thanks for the helpful coaching, lavender b. :D

 

But will I ever remember it all? :(

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Either write them down or remember this thread . They're just common sense, if you think of the face the colons are the eyes in all of them only the semi-colon is a wink, the rest also makes sense for the mouth. D looks like a grin, ( looks like a frown ) looks like a smile. Once you start using them you'll remember

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Well finance, let's just say(and I personally have always thought) it was a definite "downgrade" for Woody to go from Keaton to Farrow.

 

(...I mean, the former has always had a very delightful and out-going manner about her, and whereas the latter always seemed like she's on the verge of depression...NOT a real "attractive trait" in my book anyway)

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>They're just common sense

 

So thaaaat's why I'm confused by them. ;)

 

Thanks again, lavender.

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Yes, and don't forget that Mia would later added considerably to Woody's own depression. ;):):(

 

(Just practicing).

 

On the other hand, Mia was probably very good news for Woody's psychiatrist's business. :)

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Do you remember that moment, lavender b, in, I think it was, Annie Hall, in which Woody's Jewish persecution complex resulted in his dialogue exchange with a cohort in which he insisted that someone, in addressing him, instead of saying "D'you? D'you?" (as an abbrevation of "Did you?") actually said "Jew? Jew?"

 

Now that rates a :D

 

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:D forgot to tell you, always put a space before anything you write once the emoticon is completed. So :D ! space after the D then exclamation!

Nothing should directly follow last part of the emoticon without a SPACE between. :D then at least 1 space then !

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How Annie Hall's parents saw Woody:

 

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:D:D:D ! (Like that?)

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My favourite emoticon is actually the "plain face", that is, a completely expressionless face with a straight line for the mouth.

 

But this one still does not magically transform into a face when posted. It still looks like this:

 

:l

you know, sideways. and no yellow face background.

 

I guess it's because most people don't think in terms of a "straight-face". :(

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