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It's time for commericals on TCM to save the channel

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With the recent rejection of a takeover and new cost cutting, it is inevitable that changes will happen at TCM. The idea is what changes would be acceptable and what changes would end the channel as we know it (in other words - what would we like to have happen and what would we not like).

 

On this issue I did notice something very interesting a couple of days ago and that is the value of AMC. Apparently the price of ads on AMC is relatively high, higher than many other channels. The worst ad pricing I saw was The Weather Channel.

 

So I would not be surprised to see TCM add commercials in between movies at some point if this value is real. I would not have a problem with that if it meant more movies and less repeats.

 

This is the easiest way to increase revenues at TCM. It also would not detract from the ad free movie viewing they currently have.

 

Think of this as TCM being a baseball team and now starting to sell hotdogs and hamburgers between innings. If TCM has to add commercials to save the channel then do it!

 

PS Maybe TCM could make it so some of the commercials are classic commercials that would fit the format.

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Oh YEAH! And MAYBE they could even start showing all these freakin' political ads we're now constantly inundated with on all the OTHER channels TOO?!!!

 

(...uh-huh, 'cause apparently there's BIG bucks to be had by showin' THOSE damn things now!) ;)

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I think we all have to have an open mind with regards to changes the Turner company may make with regards to it's business model for ALL of their stations.   I believe today they sell all of their stations to cable and satellite companies as a bundle (i.e. one price for all stations).     Turner could decide to break-up this bundle by creating multiple ones (e.g.  only CNN and TBS) or single per station pricing (e.g. only TBS which has sports and therefore has the biggest market).     

 

Any changes in that regard would have an impact to TCM.    If the revenue TCM generates for the parent company is impacted it is only logical that the parent would demand that TCM figure out a way to make up the difference.  One way is commercials.

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PS Maybe TCM could make it so some of the commercials are classic commercials that would fit the format.

 

You mean like these?

 

 

Or these?

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With the recent rejection of a takeover and new cost cutting, it is inevitable that changes will happen at TCM. The idea is what changes would be acceptable and what changes would end the channel as we know it (in other words - what would we like to have happen and what would we not like).

 

On this issue I did notice something very interesting a couple of days ago and that is the value of AMC. Apparently the price of ads on AMC is relatively high, higher than many other channels. The worst ad pricing I saw was The Weather Channel.

 

 

PS Maybe TCM could make it so some of the commercials are classic commercials that would fit the format.

 

AMC is no longer the American Movie Classics it originally was.

While AMC does air movies (mostly recent ones) it is the channel's originally programming (shows like Mad Men, Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead) that have been big ratings (and ad revenue) winners.

 

Airing "classic commercials" would not provide any revenue at all. 

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Yikes!  I hope TCM in North America never becomes like the TCM in England.  Commercials during the movies for starters.  The channel airs from about 8 a.m. to midnight.  The same movies repeat all week long.  B Westerns mostly with the occasional classic like Casablanca or Philadelphia Story thrown in every three weeks.  No hosts, no special TCM ads, no spots with celebrities.  It's just utter dreck.

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With the recent rejection of a takeover and new cost cutting, it is inevitable that changes will happen at TCM. The idea is what changes would be acceptable and what changes would end the channel as we know it (in other words - what would we like to have happen and what would we not like).

 

On this issue I did notice something very interesting a couple of days ago and that is the value of AMC. Apparently the price of ads on AMC is relatively high, higher than many other channels. The worst ad pricing I saw was The Weather Channel.

 

So I would not be surprised to see TCM add commercials in between movies at some point if this value is real. I would not have a problem with that if it meant more movies and less repeats.

 

This is the easiest way to increase revenues at TCM. It also would not detract from the ad free movie viewing they currently have.

 

Think of this as TCM being a baseball team and now starting to sell hotdogs and hamburgers between innings. If TCM has to add commercials to save the channel then do it!

 

PS Maybe TCM could make it so some of the commercials are classic commercials that would fit the format.

Now, now. You know you're only going to bring out the sycophants who will holler at the naysayers and then all heck will break loose and then the thread will be locked - don't you? :D

 

Relax, it don't matter, who cares, que sera, la di da, whatever it is they say these days.

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Advertising would not only not "save" TCM, it would hasten the end.

 

Sponsors want a young demographic -- one thing TCM ain't got.

 

See AMC for confirmation.

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Advertising would not only not "save" TCM, it would hasten the end.

 

Sponsors want a young demographic -- one thing TCM ain't got.

 

See AMC for confirmation.

 

You have a very valid point that based on TCM's audience's demographic make-up advertising may not generate the 'necessary' revenue.    e.g. how many Scan, ARP or hearing aid ads can they run!  

 

Charging a monthly fee just for TCM is also problematic since many in the TCM demographic are on a fixed income.

 

This is why it is best when TCM slides under the radar as part of a Turner bundled package of stations.   But if that business model is rejected by cable and satellite companies something has to change.

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Yikes!  I hope TCM in North America never becomes like the TCM in England.  Commercials during the movies for starters.  The channel airs from about 8 a.m. to midnight.  The same movies repeat all week long.  B Westerns mostly with the occasional classic like Casablanca or Philadelphia Story thrown in every three weeks.  No hosts, no special TCM ads, no spots with celebrities.  It's just utter dreck.

 

Given that we don't know what the future of TCM will be, the only sensible response is to record every movie you'll ever want to see again the first time it shows up.  This especially holds for those middle of the night movies that show up once and then never run again for another five years---get those before they disappear permanently.

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Is someone actually suggesting that TCM is not already running commercials???  They may be for TCM "products" (cruises, film festivals, bus tours, auctions, DVDs, books, etc.) but they sure are commercials by anyone's standard. 

 

I wouldn't write TCM's obit just yet.  It is common for networks to shed employees (unfortunately) to save money but it is relatively rare that they up and shut down a network.  The timing of these layoffs is perfect. Eliminate costs (and employees' salaries and benefits are ALWAYS a large dollar amount in the scheme of things) in the 4th quarter to show more corporate profitability before year's end.  The "big guys" who run the networks rely on those end-of-year bonuses, don't you know?

 

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Given that we don't know what the future of TCM will be, the only sensible response is to record every movie you'll ever want to see again the first time it shows up.  This especially holds for those middle of the night movies that show up once and then never run again for another five years---get those before they disappear permanently.

That's what some of us have been doing for the past few years. We knew the rainy day would come. Storm clouds overhead, folks.

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tcm save thyself. How? Show what you haven't shown...

 

The K. Gordon Murray mexican horror imports:

 

like 

 

The Vampire with German Robles

 

The Vampire's Coffin

 

World of the Vampire

 

Curse of the Crying Woman

 

The Brainiac

 

The Bloody Vampire

 

Invasion of the Vampires

 

and the German Robles Nostradamus series.

 

:)

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Please! TCM is the only channel where I don't have to see any ads for elder issues,bodily malfunctions or drugs with side affects worse than the ailment.

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TCM could always save a few bucks by dropping fee for maintaining these message boards

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If there is any TCM "belt tightening" to be done I think you'll see it in the following areas:

 

1.  Less Guest Programmers/Guest Hosts

 

Not sure what/if they pay these folks but they definitely pay crews to come in and shoot them

so limiting or discontinuing GPs and Guest Hosts would be a cost savings to TCM.  But, as they say, there IS a silver lining to every black cloud . . . Perhaps Drew will disappear!

 

2.  Less licensing of "new" classic product.  You think you have the Hall of Fame of Overplayed now? You'll be seeing Lawrence of Arabia every other day if they lessen the licensing of "new" (new classics, that is) films.

 

3.  Increased fees for cruise and film festival events and, assuming they make significant $$ from

these events, (seems to make sense since they continue to do these things year after year) you may see more than one film festival/cruise per year coming your way.

 

4.  Consolidation of management; that is, the same person who runs CNN now runs TNT, TCM, etc. They may already be doing this for all I know.

 

Lydecker

 

 

 

 

 

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I think we all have to have an open mind with regards to changes the Turner company may make with regards to it's business model for ALL of their stations.   I believe today they sell all of their stations to cable and satellite companies as a bundle (i.e. one price for all stations).     Turner could decide to break-up this bundle by creating multiple ones (e.g.  only CNN and TBS) or single per station pricing (e.g. only TBS which has sports and therefore has the biggest market).     

 

Any changes in that regard would have an impact to TCM.    If the revenue TCM generates for the parent company is impacted it is only logical that the parent would demand that TCM figure out a way to make up the difference.  One way is commercials.

I believe the bundle pricing is correct.  In fact, the bundle is what is holding up the Dish/Turner negotiations.  From what I've read, the seven channels that were pulled from Dish are one bundle.  I believe TBS and TNT are part of a separate package.  Apparently, the negotiations in regard to pricing for CNN is what is holding up the whole deal.  Personally, I wish they would just put the other channels back on, I couldn't care less about CNN; but I realize that they're part of a package, so I'm hoping they can finish negotiations soon so that I can have my TCM and Cartoon Network/Adult Swim back. 

 

I would hope that TCM doesn't turn to commercials; but if they had to, it would be preferable to schedule them between films instead of in the middle of the film. While I can skip commercials pretty quickly on my remote, it's nice not having to do so with things I've recorded from TCM.  Plus, I think having to watch a movie in between advertising for ED and Reverse Mortgages kind of breaks up the momentum of the film.

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How does the line go?  Reports of [TCM's] death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

It is beyond my comprehension how people can live in so continual a state of hand-ringing over the imminent demise of this precious channel.  Their hands must be raw.  Without one iota of evidence to support it, indeed, with twenty years of evidence to the contrary, they postulate degradation, shameful betrayal of principles, and woeful abandonment of a loyal audience.

 

Well, maybe people like living that way.  Or maybe the speculation game is fun for them to play.  Endless possibilities to discuss.  Endless contingencies to explore.  Endless hairs to be split.

 

My comments may seem hard, but it is really distressing to see this topic come up so tiringly often.

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The cost factors that TCM has to deal with are the licensing of movies, paying for debt service on ones they have bought and the cost of production of the "ins and outs" that they do, including host salaries.  The rest of it is peanuts.  I can't believe they are in any serious trouble.  Compare this to a network which has to create its own shows, hire talent, pay writers, etc....  TCM may indeed choose to run spots in the interstitial spaces between movies, but, if they do, it won't be because they are losing money -- it will be because their corporate parent is a greedy as they all are!

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Can anyone tell me how I reply to a post and not the whole thread?

 

I've been waiting weeks to record all the great horror movies on this month and now I have had to upgrade our direct tv and record them there where they seem to disappear without notice.

 

We have both dish and direct tv as my wife is Korean and dish dropped her fav Korean channel a few months ago with no notice (much like tcm). It's a long story but will go back to dish when and if tcm comes back.

 

OBJ

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THANK YOU. Here's another for ya, how do I read the actual message and not just the title of each topic. All I can do is read the replies but can't seem to find the original message to reply to? I can't figure this out but then again...

 

OBJ

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THANK YOU. Here's another for ya, how do I read the actual message and not just the title of each topic. All I can do is read the replies but can't seem to find the original message to reply to? I can't figure this out but then again...

 

OBJ

If the discussion is short enough to fit on one page, scroll to the bottom.  If there are multiple pages, click on the highest number page, and scroll to the bottom.

 

There are ways to change the format of how the discussions are presented, but first see if you can navigate this way, first.  Then look around the thread page to see where the format controls are.

 

Sorry, the Forum page has the format controls, not the thread pages.

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If the discussion is short enough to fit on one page, scroll to the bottom.  If there are multiple pages, click on the highest number page, and scroll to the bottom.

 

There are ways to change the format of how the discussions are presented, but first see if you can navigate this way, first.  Then look around the thread page to see where the format controls are.

 

Sorry, the Forum page has the format controls, not the thread pages.

Thanks again for the help. I guess it worked that way somehow but have failed to have operational control of my fat fingers.

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