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It's time for commericals on TCM to save the channel


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Good to hear some here would be willing to accept commercials on TCM. (Just what the $$men at Time Warner were hoping to hear.) But keep in mind once they accept advertising, they'll also accept ad-men's influence regarding programming & demographics and would pretty well guarantee the variety and quality of the movies would NOT improve.

(remember AMC??)

--Although I really tend to doubt any powers that be pay much attention to these boards any more.

(other than checking the 'programming challenges' to get some ideas for scheduling themes & movies)

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Good to hear some here would be willing to accept commercials on TCM. Just what the $$men at Time Warner were hoping to hear. But keep in mind once they accept advertising, they'll also accept ad-men's influence regarding programming & demographics and would pretty well guarantee the variety and quality of the movies would NOT improve.

(remember AMC??)

I loved AMC until the commercials.  Totally ruined a good network.

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I ♥ Commericals!  I don't know what they are . . . but I dig them!  Commercials, on the other hand, not so much!  (My apologies for being a smart-alec; I just can't help myself tonight!)

 

I haven't watched AMC in years.  It's worthless for watching movies.  I don't watch their original programming, either.  AMC, in its current form, simply exists to air commercials.  (Speaking of 'AMC' > How many of y'all remember the American Motors Corp. and their 1970s fleet of Gremlins, Pacers, Hornets, Matadors and Ambassadors?)   

 

But I digress, the only piece of programming I'd substitute commercials for is that 'Letterbox' segment that's overshown to the Nth degree.  I think even Sydney Pollack would approve of at least 1 commercial.  ► There was this guy who had a cat named Ben . . . until it gave birth to kittens.  He re-named it 'Ben-Hur'.  Yowza! 

 

 

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How does the line go?  Reports of [TCM's] death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

It is beyond .................................................................................................so tiringly often.

 

Told you, MovieMadness. In case you forgot:

 

Now, now. You know you're only going to bring out the sycophants who will holler at the naysayers and then all heck will break loose and then the thread will be locked - don't you? :D

 

Relax, it don't matter, who cares, que sera, la di da, whatever it is they say these days.

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Given that we don't know what the future of TCM will be, the only sensible response is to record every movie you'll ever want to see again the first time it shows up.  This especially holds for those middle of the night movies that show up once and then never run again for another five years---get those before they disappear permanently.

They don't want you to be able to make a hard copy of movies any more in the U.S. market. Japan has Blue Ray recorders but it's not worth it for Japanese manufacturers to make them for this market. They would have to include so much copy write protection into the units that they wouldn't be worth making. Have you looked at any DVD Recorders on the market lately? There's not much out there just one, Magnavox and it's not a very good machine.

The U.S. market is pushing DVR's and you have Record Once copy write protection on many channels like HBO. The MPAA doesn't mind soft copies and providers like Dish make money on DVR fees. So if you have a working DVD recorder you wont be able to replace it once it goes bad. There won't be anything out there to buy.

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if they want a performer who's younger, Winona Ryder was a great temporary host when RO was on leave

 

Winona Rider turns 43 today. Sheesh, what we consider "young" actors are hitting middle age.

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How does the line go?  Reports of [TCM's] death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

It is beyond my comprehension how people can live in so continual a state of hand-ringing over the imminent demise of this precious channel.  Their hands must be raw.  Without one iota of evidence to support it, indeed, with twenty years of evidence to the contrary, they postulate degradation, shameful betrayal of principles, and woeful abandonment of a loyal audience.

 

Well, maybe people like living that way.  Or maybe the speculation game is fun for them to play.  Endless possibilities to discuss.  Endless contingencies to explore.  Endless hairs to be split.

 

My comments may seem hard, but it is really distressing to see this topic come up so tiringly often.

I agree with you. I think we should be open to discuss all topics here, even when it gets a bit nasty -- but TCM's financial state is the one realm I think it's kind of dumb to get involved with.

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How does the line go?  Reports of [TCM's] death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

It is beyond my comprehension how people can live in so continual a state of hand-ringing over the imminent demise of this precious channel.  Their hands must be raw.  

Yes but the doomsayers' comments always provoke a response, don't they? So there is probably some truth in the idea that the channel is changing (and some fear it may eventually be a drastic change). Again, if there was nothing to worry about, then wouldn't you ignore the raw hand-ringing? Unless you're a dermatologist. :)

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I agree with you. I think we should be open to discuss all topics here, even when it gets a bit nasty -- but TCM's financial state is the one realm I think it's kind of dumb to get involved with.

Is it any dumber than people feeling they have bonded with Bob or Ben and their immediate circle on a cruise? Folks want to be connected and part of that is wondering about the personal and financial aspects of TCMLifestyle Inc.

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Yes but the doomsayers' comments always provoke a response, don't they? So there is probably some truth in the idea that the channel is changing (and some fear it may eventually be a drastic change). Again, if there was nothing to worry about, then wouldn't you ignore the raw hand-ringing? Unless you're a dermatologist. :)

You know, that's an excellent point, TB. So far, with the exception of the incredibly intrusive hawking by RO to buy his DVDs and the rest of the announcers who want you to buy their cruise or tee shirts (TEE shirts, seriously TCM?), nothing major has occurred. Never say never, however, because greed and bottom line trumps art.

 

As to your point, one of my boards involves former/current employees of the lovely  :huh:   corporation for which I worked, and right before a major firing, like clockwork, the paid apologists (usually former managers) clog the board with their flag waving, trying to shout out the retirees and employees.

 

Very good point, TopBilled.

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The cost factors that TCM has to deal with are the licensing of movies, paying for debt service on ones they have bought and the cost of production of the "ins and outs" that they do, including host salaries.  The rest of it is peanuts.  I can't believe they are in any serious trouble.  Compare this to a network which has to create its own shows, hire talent, pay writers, etc....  TCM may indeed choose to run spots in the interstitial spaces between movies, but, if they do, it won't be because they are losing money -- it will be because their corporate parent is a greedy as they all are!

Absolutely.  Relatively speaking, TCM is a very cheap network to run.  You would think their corporate parent would love them and not mess with success.  But, I am sure they feel, as most corporations do, that "greed is good."

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if they want a performer who's younger, Winona Ryder was a great temporary host when RO was on leave

 

Winona Rider turns 43 today. Sheesh, what we consider "young" actors are hitting middle age.

This is how I'll always remember Wynona Ryder, in what was her greatest mini-role:

 

gena-rowlands-winona-ryder-night-on-eart

 

            LIGHT UP A LUCKIES, IT'S LIGHT UP TIME!

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With the recent rejection of a takeover and new cost cutting, it is inevitable that changes will happen at TCM. The idea is what changes would be acceptable and what changes would end the channel as we know it (in other words - what would we like to have happen and what would we not like).

 

On this issue I did notice something very interesting a couple of days ago and that is the value of AMC. Apparently the price of ads on AMC is relatively high, higher than many other channels. The worst ad pricing I saw was The Weather Channel.

 

So I would not be surprised to see TCM add commercials in between movies at some point if this value is real. I would not have a problem with that if it meant more movies and less repeats.

 

This is the easiest way to increase revenues at TCM. It also would not detract from the ad free movie viewing they currently have.

 

Think of this as TCM being a baseball team and now starting to sell hotdogs and hamburgers between innings. If TCM has to add commercials to save the channel then do it!

 

PS Maybe TCM could make it so some of the commercials are classic commercials that would fit the format.

 

AMC II?  :(

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How does the line go?  Reports of [TCM's] death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

It is beyond my comprehension how people can live in so continual a state of hand-ringing over the imminent demise of this precious channel.  Their hands must be raw.  Without one iota of evidence to support it, indeed, with twenty years of evidence to the contrary, they postulate degradation, shameful betrayal of principles, and woeful abandonment of a loyal audience.

 

Well, maybe people like living that way.  Or maybe the speculation game is fun for them to play.  Endless possibilities to discuss.  Endless contingencies to explore.  Endless hairs to be split.

 

My comments may seem hard, but it is really distressing to see this topic come up so tiringly often.

 

I guess this time the news about cost.cutting and belt tightening have got the ball rolling here. I am seriously.shocked, "Shocked!", however, that people here this time seem to have no real problems with the injection of commercials. I DO remember AMC, and agree that once TCM becomes commercial driven, demographic focusing will come into play, and.......can anyone say, or see the,.slippery slope?

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 Without one iota of evidence to support it, indeed, with twenty years of evidence to the contrary...

 

Actually I pointed out the "evidence" in the first line of my post as being "with the recent rejection of a takeover and new cost cutting" happening. Never mind the loss of DISH customers. TCM could be losing $3.5 million in revenues per month over that spat.

 

Others with business sense have seen this before, when you reject a takeover you have to "prove" that the decision to reject it was the right one to shareholders. The next plan in the playbook is cost cutting. That is happening now. The plan after that is to increase revenues. That is where the commercials come in.

 

Had the takeover happened you can be sure there would have been cost cutting too and revenue increases. So due to the takeover bid one way or the other it seems the effect is the same.

 

One "idea" to add commercials is to have RO do some of the commercials, instead of the canned ones we normally see. Something that fits the station. They could be creative so it wouldn't be that bad. And is there any difference between selling DVD's and commercials? lol. Selling DVD's is worse than commercials for the station as they buy the DVD and don't watch the station again. I could give you an analogy for that but don't want to get into trouble, lol.

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I guess this time the news about cost.cutting and belt tightening have got the ball rolling here. I am seriously.shocked, "Shocked!", however, that people here this time seem to have no real problems with the injection of commercials. I DO remember AMC, and agree that once TCM becomes commercial driven, demographic focusing will come into play, and.......can anyone say, or see the,.slippery slope?

 

Note that it isn't that I don't have problems with commercials but having them might be better than a pay-for service fee that might run over  $10 a month or so.    While I don't have any idea what the cost would be it could be high to do a lack of subscriber (e.g. like the L.A. times price has to go up and up as the number of subscibers goes down and down).

 

I wouldn't view having commercials between movies and even one break during the movie (as long as it was well placed).   In fact a break would be welcomed for TMI type of reasons.

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I wouldn't view having commercials between movies and even one break during the movie (as long as it was well placed).   In fact a break would be welcomed for TMI type of reasons.

 

I would rather have 15 minutes worth of Viagra and beer commercials between movies than one 30 second commercial in the middle of a film. 

 

The former may be necessary at some hypothetical future point in order to keep TCM solvent , but the latter would be nothing but gratuitous vandalism.  There's no other word for it.  It'd be like putting a sponsor's logo over Mona Lisa's smile.

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More "evidence" of a changing landscape today-

 

"FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has proposed a change to the rules controlling who broadcasters sell content to, and would bar them from refusing to sell to Internet-based providers. That translates to a big opportunity for Apple to add new channels to Apple TV without cutting deals with cable providers like Comcast."

 

This is just in the newswires.

 

So a la cart service may be happening soon. This will force others to follow.

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TCM with commercials....I cannot even imagine the shear amount of pain to inject into a watching experience on TCM that commercials would generate.  I'll even watch more of "Letterbox" if that is what is required to keep from having commercials.   Anyway there is always the mute button which I activate for that segment as well as SOTM and TCM news after I have seen it once.

 

I watch MeTV on Sunday afternoons...and the commercials along with the types of adverts are horrible...between incontinence, ankle braces, copper bracelets and medication adverts it makes one thankful for the mute button.  Why someone cannot invent a mute button that automates its action in recognition of a commercial I don't know.  An automated mute button would be really handy.

 

Do you really think they pay the guest programmers and essentials guests...?  why I would think the stars/guests would be glad just to get the free publicity.  Very few of them are what I would call good film critics or historians...its just what they like, as opposed to what I like. 

 

A good idea, all of us commenters would make good guest programmers and Essentials guests free of charge, we couldn't make many more mistakes on movie trivia, observations than they do.  Even B&B have relapses of information which makes me wonder if they really have watched the movie.  Heck, I'd come in and spend a day shooting my guest programmer segments.  They are all shot in one day, it's not like any of the segments are live. 

 

Anyway...no commercials, more TCM videos and tee-shirts, that I can handle. 

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I wouldn't view having commercials between movies and even one break during the movie (as long as it was well placed).   In fact a break would be welcomed for TMI type of reasons.

 

I would rather have 15 minutes worth of Viagra and beer commercials between movies than one 30 second commercial in the middle of a film. 

 

The former may be necessary at some hypothetical future point in order to keep TCM solvent , but the latter would be nothing but gratuitous vandalism.  There's no other word for it.  It'd be like putting a sponsor's logo over Mona Lisa's smile.

 

My reason for a break in the middle was so I could go to the bathroom.    But as long as TCM doesn't show Doctor Zhivago I should be ok.     (but maybe that movie has an intermission like some really long movies do).

 

But I do have a different POV;  I wouldn't mind one break during the movie as long as it was in the right place and only for movies that are over 70 or so minutes long.     Plays have 'acts' and a well placed break could serve a similar purpose.     

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