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simple enough. they handed the reins of the industry over to twentysomethings and thirtysomethings who were weaned on video games and home computers, captain planet and power rangers...and it is showing.

Exodus of Gods and Kings is a perfect example.

Fifty or even fourty years ago a film with that kind of subject matter would have been either a biblical or an historical epic, but in today's environment it is merely just another vehicle for hyper-kinetic action sequences courtesy of cgi.

Hollywood today is just one long continuous 3rd season of the original star trek.

 

...and it is getting worse.

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Fifty or even fourty years ago a film with that kind of subject matter would have been either a biblical or an historical epic, but in today's environment it is merely just another vehicle for hyper-kinetic action sequences courtesy of cgi.

 

So in other words it's gone from one type of focus group tested schlock to another.  Can't see much difference there.

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simple enough. they handed the reins of the industry over to twentysomethings and thirtysomethings who were weaned on video games and home computers, captain planet and power rangers...and it is showing.

 

Exodus of Gods and Kings is a perfect example.

 

Fifty or even fourty years ago a film with that kind of subject matter would have been either a biblical or an historical epic, but in today's environment it is merely just another vehicle for hyper-kinetic action sequences courtesy of cgi.

 

Hollywood today is just one long continuous 3rd season of the original star trek.

 

...and it is getting worse.

       You nailed it perfectly. I know it's not good to judge something before you see it,but I predict it will be all special effects without a heart and soul. The Ten Commandments of 60 years ago had some silly dialogue,but it was an emotional experience. At least for me.The comic book industry has taken over Hollywood.  Hollywood goes where the money is.

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       You nailed it perfectly. I know it's not good to judge something before you see it,but I predict it will be all special effects without a heart and soul. The Ten Commandments of 60 years ago had some silly dialogue,but it was an emotional experience. At least for me.The comic book industry has taken over Hollywood.  Hollywood goes where the money is.

 

Hollywood has always gone where the money is.  During the 30s films a higher percentage of films  than today were made with little regards to quality but instead just to make a buck.   They were called programmers.   

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Hollywood has always gone where the money is.  During the 30s films a higher percentage of films  than today were made with little regards to quality but instead just to make a buck.   They were called programmers.   

I don't know too many producers making films just for their health. I would think every film is designed to make at least some money.

 

In case you haven't noticed, religion itself is at a low ebb. Lots of dramas are produced every year. No one goes to see them. Then your local theater stops showing them. Its fairly simple.

 

Kids go to movies so they make films they wish to see. Old folks wait for cable or dvd.

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simple enough. they handed the reins of the industry over to twentysomethings and thirtysomethings who were weaned on video games and home computers, captain planet and power rangers...and it is showing.

 

 

No one handed over the reins over to anyone.

 

As others have stated, "Hollywood" has always been about making money and has made movies that they expect to sell the most tickets.

Audience tastes may have changed (as well as the demographics of the audience) but "Hollywood" has always been profit-driven.

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yeah, but aren't 50s, 60s and 70s oldsters entitled to a few crumbs every now and then?  older folks count too.

who died and made the friggin' millennials king? :angry:

99% of film and TV content coming out of current hollywood is unwatchable by the standards of what I grew up watching. something is wrong.

the younger products of a dumbed down north american culture are not the inheritors to John Ford and William Wyler. that is clear.

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99% of film and TV content coming out of current hollywood is unwatchable by the standards of what I grew up watching. something is wrong.

the younger products of a dumbed down north american culture are not the inheritors to John Ford and William Wyler. that is clear.

I agree, there is nothing on TV anymore of interest to me. I miss sitcoms but the ones today are just not funny. We tried a new one not long ago and it was just downright nasty.

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I agree, there is nothing on TV anymore of interest to me. I miss sitcoms but the ones today are just not funny. We tried a new one not long ago and it was just downright nasty.

maybe studio execs might consider empowering some directors, producers and writers with a more traditional old school perspective towards the human condition.

 

"a one-sided ideological perspective can make jack a dull boy" -me :)

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Excellent posts here today.

 

NipkowDisc, I couldn't agree more. As GGGGerald noted, I am one of the old f-a-r-t-s who waits for the movies to get to cable. I won't spend a dime on most of the new garbage. Sometimes I am surprised, most times I am not. Here's something I found, though, with my overpriced FIOS - the indie movies are sometimes downright astonishing. I can't think of any titles right now, due to CRS, but if you are vigilant, you'll find some decent movies being made by those who aren't catering to the 18-49 demographic.

 

The American viewing audience, young and old, I'm afraid, is dumbed down. Those who are not young but want to convince themselves that they are, watch the likes of Survivor and American Idol and all the ear splitting moronic CGI movies.

 

PattiTexas, I also wholeheartedly agree. I watch PBS during the week, and overpriced FIOS on top of overpriced pay channels on the weekends. When TCM isn't appealing to the 18-49 year olds, I watch them too. I have categorically signed off network television. Sitcoms and dramas and dramedies are utterly and completely moronic. I did make an exception for WGN America's Manhattan, I don't know if you watched it. FIOS didn't even have the decency to put it On Demand, so I had to watch it live and switch the show off during commercials or mute them, the show was that good. I don't put up with commercials for anybody. Ordinarily, sitcoms are boorish, filthy, stupid, nasty, and moronic. All appealing to a demographic I don't want to know.

 

Of course, our parents said the same thing when we watched the moronic sitcoms of the 1960s and 1970s, which we swore were good television. Looking at them now, we can see just how stupid they were. On the other hand, most of the dramas and sitcoms from the 1950s were very good televison.

 

As Newton Minnow said on May 9th, 1961, and BOY was he right, television is a vast wasteland. At the time, the only exception was The Dick Van Dyke Show, which he somehow missed! But overall, he was absolutely, positively right. Too bad TCM doesn't interview him (yes, he's still alive) before he joins Lizabeth Scott in the grave.

 

"When television is good, nothing — not the theater, not the magazines or newspapers — nothing is better. But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit down in front of your own television set when your station goes on the air and stay there, for a day, without a book, without a magazine, without a newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland. You will see a procession of game shows, formula comedies about totally unbelievable families, blood and thunder, mayhem, violence, s-a-d-i-s-m (seriously, s-a-d-i-s-m, you prurient moronic auto censor?), murder, western bad men, western good men, private eyes, gangsters, more violence, and cartoons. And endlessly commercials — many screaming, cajoling, and offending. And most of all, boredom. True, you'll see a few things you will enjoy. But they will be very, very few. And if you think I exaggerate, I only ask you to try it."    

 

1961, folks. Imagine?

 

Thank you, NipkowDisc, for an excellent topic.

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99% of film and TV content coming out of current hollywood is unwatchable by the standards of what I grew up watching. something is wrong.

the younger products of a dumbed down north american culture are not the inheritors to John Ford and William Wyler. that is clear.

 

As you already noted Hollywood doesn't care that you don't like what they are putting out.   They are not putting out products for your enjoyment.    A business exist to make money.  As long as there are consumers willing to pay for the films Hollywood is making (films that in most cases I wouldn't pay to see),  Hollywood will continue to make the type of fiims the majority of consumers wish to see.

 

So your beef shouldn't be that Hollywood caters to the masses (since this is what it has always done).  It really is with the taste of the masses. 

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There is another issue.

 

When many on this thread were young, there was only 7 channels on the t.v. Very easy to find whatever you are looking for. Now there are over 200 channels.

 

These same t.v /Hollywood producers you complain about are perfectly aware of the fact that many older people (including my own family ) don't visit theaters anymore. They have brought the dramas  you speak of to television making them easier for you to watch. The problem is, you have to hunt through all 200 channels to find them.

 

I read about some of you watching American Idol. Why do you do that ? Here in Los Angeles we have several digital channels playing lots of old programs totally free. Yet, many don't take advantage of them. 

 

Channels like TBS, Hallmark produce many family oriented  programming. But, you have to find that channel and watch them. TVLand has produced nice sitcoms for the last few years.

 

I could go on. But, the point is many of you want things exactly the way they were in 1975 and that can never be. All the programming you want does exist. And producers are figuring out ways to get it to you.

 

But, if you are only depending on ABC,NBC and CBS like the old days, you are bound to be very disappointed.

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I've never had any problem finding plenty of great movies to watch - no matter what year it is or has been. Truth be known, far more truly excellent movies were made in the quarter-century from 1990 to 2014 than were ever made in the quarter-century between 1935 and 1959.

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Excellent posts here today.

 

NipkowDisc, I couldn't agree more. As GGGGerald noted, I am one of the old f-a-r-t-s who waits for the movies to get to cable. I won't spend a dime on most of the new garbage. Sometimes I am surprised, most times I am not. Here's something I found, though, with my overpriced FIOS - the indie movies are sometimes downright astonishing.

The Judge with Robert Duvall and Robert Downey Jr. just left theaters. Did you go see it ? Did anyone ?

 

It had no CGI, no explosions. Actual actors , actual plot. Did anyone support it ? This determines if more like it will be made.

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The Judge with Robert Duvall and Robert Downey Jr. just left theaters. Did you go see it ? Did anyone ?

 

It had no CGI, no explosions. Actual actors , actual plot. Did anyone support it ? This determines if more like it will be made.

No. I don't go to theaters. I don't like the crude and the rude who talk during movies or use their cellphones. To keep my blood pressure low, this old f-a-r-t stays home and waits for them to come to cable, two years after their release. If I'm dead, then I'll miss it.

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There is another issue.

 

When many on this thread were young, there was only 7 channels on the t.v. Very easy to find whatever you are looking for. Now there are over 200 channels.

 

These same t.v /Hollywood producers you complain about are perfectly aware of the fact that many older people (including my own family ) don't visit theaters anymore. They have brought the dramas  you speak of to television making them easier for you to watch. The problem is, you have to hunt through all 200 channels to find them.

 

I read about some of you watching American Idol. Why do you do that ? Here in Los Angeles we have several digital channels playing lots of old programs totally free. Yet, many don't take advantage of them. 

 

Channels like TBS, Hallmark produce many family oriented  programming. But, you have to find that channel and watch them. TVLand has produced nice sitcoms for the last few years.

 

I could go on. But, the point is many of you want things exactly the way they were in 1975 and that can never be. All the programming you want does exist. And producers are figuring out ways to get it to you.

 

But, if you are only depending on ABC,NBC and CBS like the old days, you are bound to be very disappointed.

I read about some of you watching American Idol. Why do you do that ? Here in Los Angeles we have several digital channels playing lots of old programs totally free. Yet, many don't take advantage of them.

 

Brilliant. Why exactly. Old channels, UK television, indie films, quality two year old movie theater releases, there are quality programs to be found. One just has to wait.

 

Quite right on the networks. They are for drooling troglodytes.

 

Sort of right on the producers. There are very few producers figuring out ways to get my type of programs to me. I find it in Acorn TV, Amazon Prime Videos, PBS, Indie films, TCM at times, and various other outlets. There are ways. One doesn't have to succumb to the moronic tripe being fed the sheeple.

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yeah, but aren't 50s, 60s and 70s oldsters entitled to a few crumbs every now and then?  older folks count too.

who died and made the friggin' millennials king? :angry:

 

      We usually get movies more to the liking of seniors in the Fall and Christmas season.  That way Hollywood can show off its intelligence come  Academy Award nomination  time  early the following year.

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The Judge with Robert Duvall and Robert Downey Jr. just left theaters. Did you go see it ? Did anyone ?

 

It had no CGI, no explosions. Actual actors , actual plot. Did anyone support it ? This determines if more like it will be made.

I would have gone if I could have but my health issues keep me home. When it makes it to TV I'll see it.

 

I was remembering a show that NBC canceled, Harry's Law. They actually had a hit with it but they canceled it because they felt it was attracting the wrong Demographic group, all of us baby boomers. It doesn't seem right to me but it happens. These people seem to forget there are a lot of us older folks and we watch TV too. The funny thing is there were quite a lot of younger folks that also watched that show. Oh, there was a site on Facebook to save the show and an online petition but it didn't help. Lots of young people argued that they loved the show but NBC and sponsors didn't care.

 

Thinking back, that was the only show in many years on NBC that I liked.

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I've never had any problem finding plenty of great movies to watch - no matter what year it is or has been. Truth be known, far more truly excellent movies were made in the quarter-century from 1990 to 2014 than were ever made in the quarter-century between 1935 and 1959.

Ohhh-kaaayyy. :lol: I certainly would agree that 1975 ain't never comin' back. quality is gone just like most of the A-1 folks are gone. what's done is done and the best that hollywood ever offered is long done.

 

what does it say about us that a dumbed down hollywood can churn nothing out but complete garbage?

 

not much.

 

it's not garbage to the younger demo simply because in their young lives they've never seen anything but garbage.

 

so they have no points of reference to see how what they like and appreciate is in actuality, garbage.

 

someone once said in a coming of age comedy "everything changes. nothing stays the same."

 

I understand that but perhaps the change has now gone too far.

 

 

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Ohhh-kaaayyy.

what's done is done and the best that hollywood ever offered is long done.

what does it say about us that a dumbed down hollywood can churn nothing out but complete garbage?

not much.

it's not garbage to the younger demo simply because in their young lives they've never seen anything but garbage.

so they have no points of reference to see how what they like and appreciate is in actuality, garbage.

someone once said in a coming of age comedy "everything changes. nothing stays the same."

I understand that but perhaps the change has now gone too far.

 

Maybe some people (like myself) are just a lot more choosy about the movies they seek out than you are. I look for movies of quality - I don't just stop at the ones with the most advertising behind them.

 

I find modern movies to be far more compelling than those comfortable (and unchallenging) old shoes from the family-entertainment era of my grandparents.

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The American viewing audience, young and old, I'm afraid, is dumbed down.

 

 

As Newton Minnow said on May 9th, 1961, and BOY was he right, television is a vast wasteland.

 

 

 

Yes, Minnow's remarks were, for the most part, accurate for American television, then and now  

Not so for British television.

The BBC is funded primarily by user license fees (essentially a tax) and is a public service broadcaster.

Even commercial networks in the UK like ITV have public service requirements.

Yikes, socialism!!!

 

The conservative, profit-driven nature of American television (and the mainstream  "Hollywood" movie industry)  engenders no motivation to serve the public good by provding programming to enrich the mass audience but rather leads to the churning out of formulaic, focus group tested programming that industry executives hope will bring in big ratings numbers (particularly from the desired demographics) and thus big advertising revenues.

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The Judge with Robert Duvall and Robert Downey Jr. just left theaters. Did you go see it ? Did anyone ?

 

It had no CGI, no explosions. Actual actors , actual plot. Did anyone support it ? This determines if more like it will be made.

 

Yes Gerald, my wife and I went to the cinema and watched "The Judge" about a month ago. We thought the best thing about it were the performances of Robert Downey Jr, Billy Bob Thornton and Robert Duvall, the latter's character, and in fact the family's dynamics of this film reminding me very much of a much older and latter day version of Duvall's hard-as-nails character in "The Great Santini"(1979).

 

Other than that, I thought the film was rather formulaic, in so much as you can pretty much guess what is about to happen and the twists the story are about to make beforehand.

 

In OTHER words, a  "good old fashioned" Hollywood movie containing NO special effects(THOUGH I must warn some folks that, "oh horror of horrors", the "F-word" is said a few times in it, and which I KNOW some people still find "abhorrent" for whatever reason and evidently "abhorrent" enough to them to take a pass on viewing an otherwise well done MODERN movie because of a few cuss words that might be in it!!!), and a movie which EVEN the originator of this thread, Nipkowdisc, and with his over-generalization of a lament about "dreaded modern Hollywood movies", would probably enjoy watching!!!   :P

 

(...OH, and one primosprimos would probably ALSO like IF she could but subdue her apparent mild case of Agoraphobia and venture out to a movie theater again!...and TRUST ME here primos my dear, NOT ALL movie theaters today are "full of rude and obnoxious and cellphone usin' idiots" like you think, 'cause there was NONE of that in the Sedona theater my wife and I watched this movie in...aaah, but then again of course, Sedona IS pretty much filled with nothin' BUT old retired people like ME who KNOW better than to be rude and use their freakin' cellphone in a freakin' movie theater!!!)  LOL

 

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