JamesJazGuitar Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 He was excellent in "Cowboy" - really a powerful performance. He holds his own against equally good Jack Lemmon. I also loved the movie Ford co-starred in with his friend William Holden, "Texas", although Holdn has the flashier part in that one. It's terrific seeing Ford and Holden when they were still young guns in Hollywood and clearly enjoying it. Texas is a good movie and one I just saw for the first time a few weeks back on GET-TV. Claire Trevor added fine support as the gal. They also showed Arizona, made a year before Texas with Holden and Jean Arthur. That movie was somewhat flat not using Jean to her full advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie Collector OH Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Barbara Stanwyck. I like most of the movies I have seen her in, and even have a bunch of them. I just never got used to the way she moves her lips like a ventrilloquist much of the time when she talks. Maybe a method acting thing for her, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4movies2 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Having read all the responses that followed my opinion of BBT it shows how this show continues to run as long as it has with such a large loyal fan base. The theme of this topic was actors you couldn't get into and for me James Parsons et al is exactly that for me. Mind you not everyone is watching but I guess there are enough to keep it going fortunately for the creative staff involved and their pockets. I believe the humor one enjoys indicates the type of person one is. I found a lot of put down humor and degrading type of jokes in this show about people's appearances and abilities and tries to come off as sophisticated and witty . I think it's what we become as Americans I guess. Is it funny to hurt someone's feelings? This is my last about this topic. I don't begrudge you from enjoying yourself and continue to do so. We are lucky in America to have such choices. Perhaps I'm the one who should lighten up from being such a sour puss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazGuitar Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Having read all the responses that followed my opinion of BBT it shows how this show continues to run as long as it has with such a large loyal fan base. The theme of this topic was actors you couldn't get into and for me James Parsons et al is exactly that for me. Mind you not everyone is watching but I guess there are enough to keep it going fortunately for the creative staff involved and their pockets. I believe the humor one enjoys indicates the type of person one is. I found a lot of put down humor and degrading type of jokes in this show about people's appearances and abilities and tries to come off as sophisticated and witty . I think it's what we become as Americans I guess. Is it funny to hurt someone's feelings? This is my last about this topic. I don't begrudge you from enjoying yourself and continue to do so. We are lucky in America to have such choices. Perhaps I'm the one who should lighten up from being such a sour puss. As for "I guess there are enough' (fans) - well BBT has been the #1 rated T.V. show, year after year after year. (but I don't know how it is doing in the current season but since everyone will be married soon it is time to call it quits). Anyhow, as for degrading type humor; that is the core of most sit-coms. Take Everyone Loves Raymond - each of the main characters puts down the other and many of the jokes are based on poking fun of the various stereotypes: Ray - the wimpy, weak, mother's boy, Mother-in-Law - the controlling mean spirited meddler, Wife - a nagging 'b' that can't get along with others, etc.. While this is the nature of most sit-coms how each episode ends is also key to them; they end up with the character(s) doing the put-downs realizing that they were the ones that were at fault or needed to grow-up \ improve etc.. Granted, Sheldon is a major 'pain in the A' and was designed to be an unlikeable character BUT at his core he is ok (but yea, one has to dig really deep). This allows for the very common sit-com plot device of redemption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Having read all the responses that followed my opinion of BBT it shows how this show continues to run as long as it has with such a large loyal fan base. The theme of this topic was actors you couldn't get into and for me James Parsons et al is exactly that for me. Mind you not everyone is watching but I guess there are enough to keep it going fortunately for the creative staff involved and their pockets. I believe the humor one enjoys indicates the type of person one is. I found a lot of put down humor and degrading type of jokes in this show about people's appearances and abilities and tries to come off as sophisticated and witty . I think it's what we become as Americans I guess. Is it funny to hurt someone's feelings? This is my last about this topic. I don't begrudge you from enjoying yourself and continue to do so. We are lucky in America to have such choices. Perhaps I'm the one who should lighten up from being such a sour puss. If you don't enjoy "put-down" humor how did you like SEINFELD (you stated you did), which was much, much more mean-spirited than THE BIG BANG THEORY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dargo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 AND, let us not forget here in the case of BBT, every so often the characters show themselves to be self-aware enough to make the "put-down" jokes about themselves! (...and funny thing here is that there's often times I wish a few souls around THIS place, and one in particular, would watch that show more and maybe learn how to do that!!!) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4movies2 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Thanks for enlightening me folks. Now, forward and onward and awaaaay we gooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dargo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Thanks for enlightening me folks. Now, forward and onward and awaaaay we gooooo. Btw Im4movies2...as I hope you guessed, my earlier comment about "self-awareness" and "learning the ability to make the occasional "self-put-down" AND "one particular soul around here" was NOT directed your way! (...you GOT that, didn't ya?!) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo2 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 My choices: (I really can't "get into" them and don't really want to either) John Wayne Audrey Hepburn Katherine Hepburn Spencer Tracey Mickey Rooney Victor Mature Barbara Stanwyck Joan Crawford Elizabeth Taylor Marilyn Monroe James Mason Charles Laughton Cary Grant Tom Cruise John Travolta Nicolas Cage Julia Roberts Meryl Streep Reese Silverspoon George Clooney Gwenyth Paltry Angelina Jolie Jennifer Anistan Wow! For a film fan you sure seem to dislike many solid actors. (I'm not sure I could list even this many PEOPLE from anywhere that I dislike. No, I take that back. There is a long list of criminals and politicians I dislike!) i would be curious to see a list of actors you admire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesJazGuitar Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Wow! For a film fan you sure seem to dislike many solid actors. (I'm not sure I could list even this many PEOPLE from anywhere that I dislike. No, I take that back. There is a long list of criminals and politicians I dislike!) i would be curious to see a list of actors you admire. For the studio-era looks to me that the poster is left with female MGM stars and male Warner Brother stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 My mother was a big fan of Paul Newman, but I've never really been able to get him very much. I'm not sure exactly what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogie56 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 My mother was a big fan of Paul Newman, but I've never really been able to get him very much. I'm not sure exactly what it is. I'm one of those who likes Newman. Except for The Silver Chalice. And the story goes that Newman himself took out an ad in LA when it was premiering on television to tell people not to watch it. Of course, that made people all the more curiouser. He has a larger nose in that one too. The film may have been bad but I guess it paid for the nose job. I think Newman's best work was in The Verdict. The scene where he has to go into the washroom and be away from people because he is having a panic attack and cannot breath is a truly unique acting moment. Too bad it is not on as part of the Mason tribute. Mason is terrific in that one too. They had a good director in Sidney Lumet. He directed me once. I'm exaggerating! I was an extra in Network in the studio audience when Peter Finch as Howard Beal has his new show and doing the "Mad as Hell" bit. I had a great deal of fun that day. A dream come true for a teenage movie fan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think Newman's best work was in The Verdict. The scene where he has to go into the washroom and be away from people because he is having a panic attack and cannot breath is a truly unique acting moment. Too bad it is not on as part of the Mason tribute. Mason is terrific in that one too. They had a good director in Sidney Lumet. He directed me once. I'm exaggerating! I was an extra in Network in the studio audience when Peter Finch as Howard Beal has his new show and doing the "Mad as Hell" bit. I had a great deal of fun that day. A dream come true for a teenage movie fan. I agree that THE VERDICT is a great movie and that Paul Newman and James mason are very good in it. It's also one of my mother's favorite Paul Newman movies, but then again I don't remember her disliking any of his movies. Great story about being in NETWORK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogie56 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Great story about being in NETWORK. It was a fantastic day. And my eyes were all on Lumet directing Finch. It was "darling" this and "sweetheart" that ... Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'm one of those who likes Newman. Except for The Silver Chalice. And the story goes that Newman himself took out an ad in LA when it was premiering on television to tell people not to watch it. Of course, that made people all the more curiouser. He has a larger nose in that one too. The film may have been bad but I guess it paid for the nose job. I think Newman's best work was in The Verdict. The scene where he has to go into the washroom and be away from people because he is having a panic attack and cannot breath is a truly unique acting moment. Too bad it is not on as part of the Mason tribute. Mason is terrific in that one too. They had a good director in Sidney Lumet. He directed me once. I'm exaggerating! I was an extra in Network in the studio audience when Peter Finch as Howard Beal has his new show and doing the "Mad as Hell" bit. I had a great deal of fun that day. A dream come true for a teenage movie fan. I'm looking.forward.to the night of Paul Newman/Joanne Woodward films.on June 1, starting off with three movies they did at Fox in the late 50s. The following day's primetime schedule also starts off with two Fox films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 It was a fantastic day. And my eyes were all on Lumet directing Finch. It was "darling" this and "sweetheart" that ... Hilarious. I really enjoyed Sidney Lumet's commentary about directing Marlon Brando and Anna Magnani in THE FUGITIVE KIND that was included with the special features on the Criterion Collection release of the movie. According to Lumet, Magnani did not want to rehearse much before shooting her scenes. In one scene Brandon kept forgeting the same line in multiple takes of a lengthy piece of dialogue. Lumet believes that there was something about the speech that affected Brandon on a personal level to the point that he didn't want to complete it. Brandon even asked if they could to shoot the scene the next day but Lumet pressed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogie56 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I really enjoyed Sidney Lumet's commentary about directing Marlon Brando and Anna Magnani in THE FUGITIVE KIND that was included with the special features on the Criterion Collection release of the movie. According to Lumet, Magnani did not want to rehearse much before shooting her scenes. In one scene Brandon kept forgeting the same line in multiple takes of a lengthy piece of dialogue. Lumet believes that there was something about the speech that affected Brandon on a personal level to the point that he didn't want to complete it. Brandon even asked if they could to shoot the scene the next day but Lumet pressed on. I wish they could include some directors like Lumet in the Summer Under the Stars. Some of them were stars in their own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I wish they could include some directors like Lumet in the Summer Under the Stars. Some of them were stars in their own right. I would love to see Alfred Hitchcock honored as a star director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogie56 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Kim Novak who was a very beautiful lady and starred in some big pictures. But she was a bit stiff and I'm not sure how good an actress she actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenIsHere Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Kim Novak who was a very beautiful lady and starred in some big pictures. But she was a bit stiff and I'm not sure how good an actress she actually was. I do have a soft spot spot for THE LEGEND OF LYLAH CLARE, which is good campy fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer5 Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 Kim Novak who was a very beautiful lady and starred in some big pictures. But she was a bit stiff and I'm not sure how good an actress she actually was. I've found that she's a bit stiff, especially in the beginning of Picnic. When I first saw the movie (which I grew to really enjoy, mostly on the strength of William Holden, Rosalind Russell and Susan Strasberg's performances) and heard Novak's first lines in the film, I immediately thought "ugh. She's terrible." Her performance seems to improve throughout the film and she eventually grows on you. I've had the same impression of her in Vertigo and Bell, Book and Candle which I also grew to enjoy. I don't know what it is about her, but she kind of grew on me after awhile. Kind of like Grace Kelly. When I first saw her, I thought she was a little stiff too, but she grew on me as well. Now I really enjoy her. She epitomizes the ice queen, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogie56 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I've found that she's a bit stiff, especially in the beginning of Picnic. When I first saw the movie (which I grew to really enjoy, mostly on the strength of William Holden, Rosalind Russell and Susan Strasberg's performances) and heard Novak's first lines in the film, I immediately thought "ugh. She's terrible." Her performance seems to improve throughout the film and she eventually grows on you. I've had the same impression of her in Vertigo and Bell, Book and Candle which I also grew to enjoy. I don't know what it is about her, but she kind of grew on me after awhile. Kind of like Grace Kelly. When I first saw her, I thought she was a little stiff too, but she grew on me as well. Now I really enjoy her. She epitomizes the ice queen, lol. I fall for her chignon just like Jimmy does every time I see Vertigo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer5 Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 I fall for her chignon just like Jimmy does every time I see Vertigo. Novak probably had her best role in Vertigo and her most complex. A few years ago, my husband and I stayed a night at The Hotel Vertigo in San Francisco. It was known as Empire Hotel in Vertigo. I requested to stay up on the top floor because I wanted to see the staircase (and I like being up high to get more of a view), well the top floor was a penthouse (not going to splurge on that) so I was in the second to top floor. This was pretty much the view of the staircase from our room (I didn't take this photo). It was pretty sweet. I want to see her role in the remake of Of Human Bondage, and The Legend of Lylah Clare because it sounds so campy. Looking over her filmography, she's been in quite a few films that I liked--aside from Vertigo, I liked her in Picnic, Bell Book and Candle, The Man With the Golden Arm and Pffft!. I can't say I enjoyed her in Kiss Me Stupid, but that's not her fault, I didn't enjoy anyone in that film. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblue Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I've not posted in this thread because I just can't reconcile both ends of the topic. I can name actors that I just can't get into - that'd be easy enough. But I don't understand why I would want to get into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Novak probably had her best role in Vertigo and her most complex. A few years ago, my husband and I stayed a night at The Hotel Vertigo in San Francisco. It was known as Empire Hotel in Vertigo. I requested to stay up on the top floor because I wanted to see the staircase (and I like being up high to get more of a view), well the top floor was a penthouse (not going to splurge on that) so I was in the second to top floor. This was pretty much the view of the staircase from our room (I didn't take this photo). It was pretty sweet. I want to see her role in the remake of Of Human Bondage, and The Legend of Lylah Clare because it sounds so campy. Looking over her filmography, she's been in quite a few films that I liked--aside from Vertigo, I liked her in Picnic, Bell Book and Candle, The Man With the Golden Arm and Pffft!. I can't say I enjoyed her in Kiss Me Stupid, but that's not her fault, I didn't enjoy anyone in that film. The mission church used in VERTIGO, San Juan Bautista, does not have the bell tower seem in the movie. It has had at least one before, but I don't know if it was torn down due to its incongruousness (it was added late.in the 19th century and didn't match), or done in by one of the many Magnitude 5 or 6 earthquakes so common there (San Juan Bautista sits along the San Andreas Fault rift, and that.middle section of the fault is not locked, like the northern and southern segments, but creeps and releases.fairly regularly timed.moderate quakes. Anyway, it now has a bell tower, rather more.like.a.bell rack, the kind known as an espadaña. The tiny town is not too far from San Francisco, and would.make an enjoyable day trip, if you're ever up there again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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