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I agree about the Technicolor. I don't think it's Hayworth's best, however. That distinction belongs to GILDA probably. 

 

This production benefits from Jose Ferrer's usual excellent acting, and Aldo Ray-- probably Hayworth's sexiest costar (definitely more than Glenn Ford).

 

Still I feel this remake is not quite up to par with Lewis Mileston's talkie version, RAIN with Joan Crawford-- which I find superior in so many ways. 

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I am a fan of Rita Hayworth and love her movies, especially Gilda, Cover Girl and You Were Never Lovelier, this movie just didn't do anything for me.  While I love seeing Rita in Technicolor... I don't know what the makeup artists did to her, she didn't look as gorgeous as she does in other films of hers.  The makeup and lighting makes her look older than I bet she actually looked in real life.

 

Maybe I'll need to watch it again next time it's on to see if my opinion is still the same.  I want to like it because I'm such a big fan of Rita Hayworth, but my initial impressions of it were that Hayworth didn't look good and the film was kind of boring.

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I am a fan of Rita Hayworth and love her movies, especially Gilda, Cover Girl and You Were Never Lovelier, this movie just didn't do anything for me.  While I love seeing Rita in Technicolor... I don't know what the makeup artists did to her, she didn't look as gorgeous as she does in other films of hers.  The makeup and lighting makes her look older than I bet she actually looked in real life.

 

Maybe I'll need to watch it again next time it's on to see if my opinion is still the same.  I want to like it because I'm such a big fan of Rita Hayworth, but my initial impressions of it were that Hayworth didn't look good and the film was kind of boring.

I figured I'd  give it a try....Rita looked lousy (Was it really Rita?), the beginning  was boring, so it was back to basketball.

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She's about 10-15 years too old for this role.

Yes, she's a bit too long in the tooth for it. They should have made allusions to her older age in the script, which could have made her seem that much more pathetic, and that much more urgent for Ferrer to save.

 

It's too bad they didn't hire Crawford to repeat the role. I am sure she would have been a lot more fun to watch, especially acting opposite Ferrer.

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I figured I'd  give it a try....Rita looked lousy (Was it really Rita?), the beginning  was boring, so it was back to basketball.

 *snort*  Which to ME is equally as BORING!  :P

 

But, back to Rita---

 

I didn't get into the movie either.  Plus, I get sad whenever I see a Hayworth movie due to the way the press unfairly assumed the worst about her late in her life.  They assumed that her erratic behavior was due to alcoholism and years of "pill popping" , but never considered it was something else.  Turned out she had undiagnosed Alzheimer's, which was generally unheard of at the time, but to assume the worst was more than unfair. 

 

 

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But, back to Rita---

 

Turned out she had undiagnosed Alzheimer's, which was generally unheard of at the time, but to assume the worst was more than unfair. 

 

 

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Sepia,

 

I think your comment is a little misleading. The term 'Alzheimer's' may not have been commonplace, but people have known about dementia probably since the dawn of man. She was not suffering from a new disease. It just didn't have the name it has now. But I do agree that she was mis-diagnosed (as opposed to un-diagnosed). Not necessarily by her family or her doctors (who had to have known she was experiencing dementia), but she was vexed by ugly falsehoods about her that were perpetuated by ignorant members of the press.

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I agree about the Technicolor. I don't think it's Hayworth's best, however. That distinction belongs to GILDA probably. 

 

This production benefits from Jose Ferrer's usual excellent acting, and Aldo Ray-- probably Hayworth's sexiest costar (definitely more than Glenn Ford).

 

Still I feel this remake is not quite up to par with Lewis Mileston's talkie version, RAIN with Joan Crawford-- which I find superior in so many ways. 

I think the film shoulda ended after Davidson saved Sadie. :) aldo ray is just an annoyance and Bronson shoulda punched him out.

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I've read a little about her and I saw her in person at a rare Hollywood showing of this movie in the mid to late 1970s. She was all wrinkled up and looked like a little old lady. However, she didn't act odd. She didn't say much. She came riding up to the front door of the theater in a Rolls Royce, and when she got out she smiled a lot and shook hands with a lot of people. She was escorted by several young men who held her arms to be sure she didn't fall or stumble. She seemed "normal" but shockingly old. Very old looking.

 

Based on some stuff I've read, I think she developed a drinking problem and great depression over the loss of her youth and beauty. This could account for some of her actions as seen in public during her last years.

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RAIN with Joan Crawford and the silent SADIE THOMPSON with Gloria Swanson are so much better than MISS SADIE THOMPSON.

 

 

Joan Crawford supposedly hated RAIN, but she is so good in that movie.

I think maybe the bad experiences she had making the movie probably created her negative feelings about it.

 

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She's about 10-15 years too old for this role.

She's about 10-15 years too old for this role.

Rita Hayworth was 34 when she made MISS SADIE THOMPSON. The two previous film Sadies, Gloria Swanson and Joan Crawford, were both in their late 20s when they did their versions. So maybe Rita was some 5 years too old.

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I am a fan of Rita Hayworth and love her movies, especially Gilda, Cover Girl and You Were Never Lovelier, this movie just didn't do anything for me.  While I love seeing Rita in Technicolor... I don't know what the makeup artists did to her, she didn't look as gorgeous as she does in other films of hers.  The makeup and lighting makes her look older than I bet she actually looked in real life.

 

Maybe I'll need to watch it again next time it's on to see if my opinion is still the same.  I want to like it because I'm such a big fan of Rita Hayworth, but my initial impressions of it were that Hayworth didn't look good and the film was kind of boring.

Actually, Rita wanted to play the part au naturel, at least as far as.makeup was concerned. She didn't want any special makeup or lighting to hide her age, and even allowed her perspiration to be shown. She didn't want the part to be glamorized. Interestingly, Rita always seemed to play roles that approximated her age at the time she did them.

 

MST was filmed in 3D, but played mostly "flat" upon release.

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RAIN with Joan Crawford and the silent SADIE THOMPSON with Gloria Swanson are so much better than MISS SADIE THOMPSON.

 

 

Joan Crawford supposedly hated RAIN, but she is so good in that movie.

I think maybe the bad experiences she had making the movie probably created her negative feelings about it.

 

In the movie "Rain", the district they mentioned in Hawaii where she had just come from was a real bordello district and a high crime area. Girls who had worked there were fairly low class, tough, and criminalistic. This information is lost in the Rita version of the movie.

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I've read a little about her and I saw her in person at a rare Hollywood showing of this movie in the mid to late 1970s. She was all wrinkled up and looked like a little old lady. However, she didn't act odd. She didn't say much. She came riding up to the front door of the theater in a Rolls Royce, and when she got out she smiled a lot and shook hands with a lot of people. She was escorted by several young men who held her arms to be sure she didn't fall or stumble. She seemed "normal" but shockingly old. Very old looking.

 

Based on some stuff I've read, I think she developed a drinking problem and great depression over the loss of her youth and beauty. This could account for some of her actions as seen in public during her last years.

 

 

She did have a drinking problem, so its easy to see why her behavior may have been misinterpreted by some and may have influenced the onset of her mental state. Who knows?

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The vivaciousness and glamour that Rita Hayworth had personified from the mid to late '40s was missing when she returned to the screen in 1952 with Affair in Trinidad. (This was following a screen absence of four years with her marriage and divorce to international playboy Ali Khan).

 

There was also a loss in confidence in her screen performances during the '50s, as well, only sporadically rediscovered when she did a musical number. And, yes, she did look older.

 

But, aside from whatever you may think of the film (I'm not much of a fan myself), I think she gives a very good performance as Sadie Thompson, one of the best of her career. I think that people miss the fact that she no longer looked like Gilda, the epitome of post-war declasse glamour and sensuality (even if her character in that film does turn out to be more of a tease than anything else).

 

But Gilda was not Rita Hayworth, in a variation on a famous statement that Rita once made herself about she and the men in her life. Why she lost her acting confidence I don't know. Maybe it was from looking in the mirror. Maybe it was because she knew that she had never been that illusion she appeared to be on screen and it was now reflected by her real life failed relationships. Whatever. She was human, like the rest of us, after all, and it showed in her features and performances after her 1952 return to the screen.

 

Audiences have always been rather unforgiving of a screen goddess who ages, a fact that I think may be reflected by some of the comments on this thread.

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In the movie "Rain", the district they mentioned in Hawaii where she had just come from was a real bordello district and a high crime area. Girls who had worked there were fairly low class, tough, and criminalistic. This information is lost in the Rita version of the movie.

The play "Rain" had been controversial on Broadway; there had been an informal ban on filming it before the Swanson version. RAIN, the 1932 film, had been a precode, and as such, could be a little more explicit in certain details. The Hayworth version had some aspects cleaned up" in order to get passed by the Production Code.

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In the 1932 version of SCARFACE, Paul Muni and his bodyguards are sitting in a New York theater, and the play "SADIE THOMPSON" is on stage. He tells his boys that all the rain on stage during the play is done with a series of water pipes that pump the water. Then someone comes in and tells him he has to go do some business and he asks one of his pals to stay behind and see the end of the play to see "who gets the girl" at the end, the preacher or the Marine.

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The vivaciousness and glamour that Rita Hayworth had personified from the mid to late '40s was missing when she returned to the screen in 1952 with Affair in Trinidad. (This was following a screen absence of four years with her marriage and divorce to international playboy Ali Khan).

 

There was also a loss in confidence in her screen performances during the '50s, as well, only sporadically rediscovered when she did a musical number. And, yes, she did look older.

 

But, aside from whatever you may think of the film (I'm not much of a fan myself), I think she gives a very good performance as Sadie Thompson, one of the best of her career. I think that people miss the fact that she no longer looked like Gilda, the epitome of post-war declasse glamour and sensuality (even if her character in that film does turn out to be more of a tease than anything else).

 

But Gilda was not Rita Hayworth, in a variation on a famous statement that Rita once made herself about she and the men in her life. Why she lost her acting confidence I don't know. Maybe it was from looking in the mirror. Maybe it was because she knew that she had never been that illusion she appeared to be on screen and it was now reflected by her real life failed relationships. Whatever. She was human, like the rest of us, after all, and it showed in her features and performances after her 1952 return to the screen.

 

Audiences have always been rather unforgiving of a screen goddess who ages, a fact that I think may be reflected by some of the comments on this thread.

 

To me the point here is how quickly she aged.   Gilda was released in 1946 and Rita was 28.   Sadie was released in 1953 so Rita was only 35.    That is only a 7 - 8 year difference but she looked around 15 or more years older.

 

Even Bette Davis,  who people often site as not aging very gracefully,  didn't have as rabid a decline.    But one could say that since Rita started out so high (she was indeed one of the most beautiful gals in the 40s),   the decline in her looks showed all the more.

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To me the point here is how quickly she aged.   Gilda was released in 1946 and Rita was 28.   Sadi was released in 1953 so Rita was only 35.    That is only a 7 - 8 year difference but she looked around 15 or more years older.

 

She was very beautiful and young looking in THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI (1947).

 

 

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Rita Hayworth was 34 when she made MISS SADIE THOMPSON. The two previous film Sadies, Gloria Swanson and Joan Crawford, were both in their late 20s when they did their versions. So maybe Rita was some 5 years too old.

You are going by her real age. But I think what some of the other posters are saying is not how old she really was, but how old she looked on screen as Sadie.

 

I haven't seen the Swanson interpretation, but Crawford certainly looks younger than late 20s in RAIN. And if you compare that with Rita looking at least 40 in her version, you can see why people are saying what they're saying.

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To me the point here is how quickly she aged.   Gilda was released in 1946 and Rita was 28.   Sadi was released in 1953 so Rita was only 35.    That is only a 7 - 8 year difference but she looked around 15 or more years older.

 

Even Bette Davis,  who people often site as not aging very gracefully,  didn't have as rabid a decline.    But one could say that since Rita started out so high (she was indeed one of the most beautiful gals in the 40s),   the decline in her looks showed all the more.

I agree.

 

Most actresses of a certain age preferred to be photographed in black-and-white, because it usually helped them appear more youthful. Having Rita Hayworth in this full-blown Technicolor production puts her at a disadvantage, since she already looks older to begin with-- plus the lighting is not good in some shots.

 

The men look great, but in a few scenes, let's face it, Rita almost looks like a washed up hag-- and I think if they had altered some of the dialogue, and had her play older (stating the character was 39, pushing 40), it would have been slightly more realistic. It would have made her character's situation in the movie more pathetic and tragic. 

 

My top choices for this role in 1953 (and Hayworth is not among them):

 

Ava Gardner

Yvonne de Carlo

Marlene Dietrich (maybe, but she was getting older too)

 

Or even Jennifer Jones could have done it, since she had already auditioned as Madame Bovary.

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Here's a black and white still from the film, and in this she looks young.

 

I think she had bad makeup in the film, also a bad hair style, and her skin was much too dark. Notice how light it looks in this b&w still, and her hair looks shorter too because Mel's arm is covering up some of it. In the film she had an old lady's hair style.

 

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What's wrong with Rita being an older looking Sadie? She's still looks good, anyway.

 

Quite frankly, when Crawford made her first appearance in Rain with all that heavy makeup on she was pretty frightening to me. She was clearly a tougher Sadie than Hayworth, and I'm sure that the production code was toning down the Hayworth interpretation. But I don't see her older appearance as a factor in her credibility in the role.

 

It's been quite a while since I saw the Swanson version but I do recall being favourably impressed by her, one of her best performances from what little I've seen of her work.

 

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This is a "washed up hag"?????

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