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It seemed to take not much time at all for anti smokers to scare plenty of people enough to quit smoking, and the practice has moved in status from "socially acceptable" to "grudgingly tolerated".

 

NOW I'm wondering....how long will we have to wait until concerns over "second hand vapor"  are forwarded?

 

 

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...NOW I'm wondering....how long will we have to wait until concerns over "second hand vapor"  are forwarded?

 

 

"The Vapors"? Eeh, that ain't nothing new at all, Sepia!

 

Why, back in the antebellum South, Aunt Pittypat suffered from THAT all the time...

 

 

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Insurance companies charge much higher rates for smokers....supposedly because of fire hazard and the cleanup from lingering smell.  Rental building insurance are already higher than for owner occupied single family homes, so add "smoking" and it must be unbelievably high.

 

My mother lives in a condominium, where you OWN your unit. Adjoining neighbors were subletting their unit to constant heavy smokers and my mother's home smelledass like an ashtray. Thankfully those tenants were kicked out rather quickly.

 

Now I'm a tobacco fan-I love smoking and all the rituals that go along with it. But cigarettes are obnoxious-all those chemicals overpower the tobacco. About 10 years ago I gave up cigars, they became too strong for me, but I'm considering taking up a pipe.

I've always wanted a small Meerschaum pipe.

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Smoking is grudgingly tolerated?

 

It's barely allowed anywhere. Even apartments are now making new tenants sign non-smoking leases, so many can no longer even do it at home.

Even though, smoking is still considered a legal endeavor, there's still "smoke shops" where cigarettes can be purchased, and other stores that still sell them, and the three casinos here in Detroit had wrangled a waiver from the law in Michigan that prohibits smoking in public places like restaraunts and bars.  But the casinos worked around it in a way by opening huge "smoke free" slot rooms and such.

 

You CAN still smoke in your own home, considering you're the OWNER of said home( and MY landlord, as I rent a house, allows it.) And I said "grudgingly" due to many people disliking being around it, but having no choice sometimes due to it not being prohibited everywhere.  AND still essentially legal.

 

By the way, I was a smoker up until my "mini strokes" last year, and I DO sort of miss it, but in my case, the negative outweighs all else, so I deal with it.  As for "vaping", I joked with my daughter(also a "reformed" smoker, but by choice, not circumstance) that since "vaping" is generally the inhaling of water vapor(from what I understand), that if I VAPED at the level I was SMOKING, my biggest worry would be DROWNING!   :lol:

 

 

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I was still getting the odd craving - and dreaming the odd dream about smoking - even 5 years after I quit.

 

Three times my "landlord" has affixed 'smoking prohibited' decals to my outer door. I've peeled them off every time. I don't smoke tobacco anymore, and I'm glad I quit, but I hate those bossy decals.

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I was still getting the odd craving - and dreaming the odd dream about smoking - even 5 years after I quit.

 

Three times my "landlord" has affixed 'smoking prohibited' decals to my outer door. I've peeled them off every time. I don't smoke tobacco anymore, and I'm glad I quit, but I hate those bossy decals.

I have a weird related occurance to tell...

 

I quit smoking before, back in '73.  But the smoking other "substances" helped out.  But shortly after I quit then, I had a dream, and in the dream, I lit up a cigarette.  But, in the dream, I thought, "Oh!  I can't do this.  I QUIT smoking!"  But soon ignored my self admonishment by ALSO thinking..."Ah, it's OK.  I'm only DREAMING!"  

 

THAT was kinda weird.

 

 

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I have a weird related occurance to tell...

 

I quit smoking before, back in '73.  But the smoking other "substances" helped out.  But shortly after I quit then, I had a dream, and in the dream, I lit up a cigarette.  But, in the dream, I thought, "Oh!  I can't do this.  I QUIT smoking!"  But soon ignored my self admonishment by ALSO thinking..."Ah, it's OK.  I'm only DREAMING!"  

 

THAT was kinda weird.

 

 

Sepiatone

 

Funny, but I have KIND'A that same sort'a dream after watching an Ava Gardner movie!

 

(...but it sure ain't about givin' myself the ol' "go-ahead" for sharing a cigarette with her!...well, okay...maybe sometimes later in these dreams it is) 

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Recently I noticed people sort of standing around on the corner a few streets away, one girl wrapped in a bathrobe.  Odd, as you rarely see people outside around here aside from joggers or those walking dogs.  A neighbor told me they're from a condo complex that just enforced a new rule against smoking inside and outside their condos.  So, they cross the street to a safe zone.  Smoking refugees, I suppose.   

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Anti smoking regulations can be peculiar sometimes....Like the Michigan law that bans smoking in BARS.  A buddy of mine was ELATED at that!  "Now, I can go get a beer without endangering my LIFE breathing all that second-hand smoke!" he once said.

 

Ironically, he died of injuries rom wrapping his car around a utility pole while drunk driving his way home from a bar! 

 

True story.  Was a good guy and I miss him.

 

 

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Our large, regional hospital is just a few blocks away. Driving by there any time - day or night - you can see dozens of people along the "city" curbs huffing and puffing away; 2 or 3 "butts" at a stretch. These include employees, doctors, nurses, patients, visitors.. all gathered together in a nice little social package.

 

I was a 3-pack a day man - stopped cold turkey 10 years ago.

 

I spent the last ten of those smoking years cursing myself with each light-up, telling myself there had to be another way to live. Some find it; some dont.

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Smoking is grudgingly tolerated?

 

It's barely allowed anywhere. Even apartments are now making new tenants sign non-smoking leases, so many can no longer even do it at home.

 

 

LOL. How can they enforce that? Where I work you cant even smoke near the doorways outside. Has to be so many feet away......

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LOL. How can they enforce that? Where I work you cant even smoke near the doorways outside. Has to be so many feet away......

My condo is going smoke-free, but the current owners are grandfathered with respect to their smoking. I guess forced quitting is deemed unfair.

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My condo is going smoke-free, but the current owners are grandfathered with respect to their smoking. I guess forced quitting is deemed unfair.

 

 

LOL. Only a matter of time (before the smoking grandfathers them out!)

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I was a 3-pack a day man - stopped cold turkey 10 years ago.
 
I spent the last ten of those smoking years cursing myself with each light-up, telling myself there had to be another way to live. Some find it; some don't.

 

 

Cold Turkey with me too, Kid.

 

Boy, that was fun, huh.

 

Whenever the slightest thought of lighting up again would come after that, I'd think "you wanna go through that again?" , and I'd be sustained.

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This reminds me of a heated argument I had with a Native American one time. He blamed me, personally, because "White Man" brought the scourage of whisky to the Indians.

 

I said, "Oh yeah? You Indians gave us tobacco!"

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This reminds me of a heated argument I had with a Native American one time. He blamed me, personally, because "White Man" brought the scourage of whisky to the Indians.

 

I said, "Oh yeah? You Indians gave us tobacco!"

 

And Venereal Disease as well, didn't they?

 

Or am I mis-educated?

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And Venereal Disease as well, didn't they?

 

Or am I mis-educated?

That reminds me of a joke - which I am POSITIVE would shut this thread down.. not to mention all those S & H Points I would receive.. just in time for the holidays. Hmmm..

 

No

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Our university just went to a smoke-free campus; you can't smoke anywhere. And they expect "enforcement" to be the responsibility of every person on campus. Now I detest smoking and the smell, but I am not a tobacco cop, and I am not going to snitch on someone who inhales, even if it's outside my office door.

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 Now I detest smoking and the smell, but I am not a tobacco cop, and I am not going to snitch on someone who inhales, even if it's outside my office door.

 

good for you, :)

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And Venereal Disease as well, didn't they?

 

Or am I mis-educated?

 

There are big arguments among some doctors, historians, and political people who argue about who introduced which disease to the world.

 

But mainly it seems that the hot Equatorial zone around the world introduced some to the Eastern half of the earth and some to the Western half.

 

Ancient Indians had their own local diseases, as revealed by their bones found during archaeological digs.Those diseases went around the world during the widespread sailing/exploring/trade era, starting in 1492.

 

But overall, the exchange of fast growing food to all parts of the world was what caused the start of the big world population boom, and now there are too many people.

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I was still getting the odd craving - and dreaming the odd dream about smoking - even 5 years after I quit.

 

Three times my "landlord" has affixed 'smoking prohibited' decals to my outer door. I've peeled them off every time. I don't smoke tobacco anymore, and I'm glad I quit, but I hate those bossy decals.

 

I have a weird related occurance to tell...

 

I quit smoking before, back in '73.  But the smoking other "substances" helped out.  But shortly after I quit then, I had a dream, and in the dream, I lit up a cigarette.  But, in the dream, I thought, "Oh!  I can't do this.  I QUIT smoking!"  But soon ignored my self admonishment by ALSO thinking..."Ah, it's OK.  I'm only DREAMING!"  

 

THAT was kinda weird.

 

 

Sepiatone

 

I used to be a regular tobacco user as well. I finally completely quit 18 years ago. It’s interesting to hear about your dreams. I had two different kinds of dreams: one about starting to use tobacco again, and one about what my subconscious thought tobacco was doing to my body.

 

The first time I “quit,” I went cold turkey, and I did fine: no cravings, no dreams, etc. I suspect that because I was working out so much at the time, the endorphins I got from working out helped me to go cold turkey. But that’s just a guess. Then one New Year’s Eve party, I fell off of the wagon, so to speak, and I was hooked again.

 

Several years later, I went cold turkey again, but this time I wasn’t working out as much, and I did have cravings and dreams. I would dream that I had fallen off of the wagon again, get really **** with myself, and then I’d wake up. It would always take me a few minutes to convince myself that it was indeed a dream, and that I not fallen off of the wagon.

 

Then, at another New Year’s Eve party, I fell off of the wagon again, this time with a whole-hearted vengeance. I was so disappointed in myself that I more or less gave up on my ability to completely and finally quit. But several years later, I started having dreams again. This time they were dreams about my teeth falling out and my face rotting and falling off. It would start with a dull ache in my mouth and when I went to the mirror to see what it was, I would find that several of my teeth were loose. As I wiggled them, they would easily break loose at the root and come out, along with lots of blood. But the ache wouldn’t stop, so I would start rubbing my face only to have the skin break loose in my mouth where it connected to my jaw and cheek bone. For some reason, that actually felt better, so I would continue to rub and scratch until large hunks of skin from my cheek and chin would begin to rip off and fall off into the sink. Then I would wake up.

 

It is only very rarely that I have any kind of a “bad” dream, so when I started having those dreams almost every night I decided that I had better try to stop again. This time I used a cessation product, which was sold right next to the other tobacco products. It worked by gradually replacing a greater and greater percentage of tobacco with the cessation product, until there was no more tobacco. It still amazes me how well it worked, and how easy it was. In two or three weeks, I had completely quit, with no cravings whatsoever, and no more dreams.

 

18 years later I still have no desire for tobacco, and no more dreams of either kind.

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Our university just went to a smoke-free campus; you can't smoke anywhere. And they expect "enforcement" to be the responsibility of every person on campus. Now I detest smoking and the smell, but I am not a tobacco cop, and I am not going to snitch on someone who inhales, even if it's outside my office door.

How about if it's INSIDE your office door?

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I used to be a regular tobacco user as well. I finally completely quit 18 years ago. It’s interesting to hear about your dreams. I had two different kinds of dreams: one about starting to use tobacco again, and one about what my subconscious thought tobacco was doing to my body.

 

The first time I “quit,” I went cold turkey, and I did fine: no cravings, no dreams, etc. I suspect that because I was working out so much at the time, the endorphins I got from working out helped me to go cold turkey. But that’s just a guess. Then one New Year’s Eve party, I fell off of the wagon, so to speak, and I was hooked again.

 

Several years later, I went cold turkey again, but this time I wasn’t working out as much, and I did have cravings and dreams. I would dream that I had fallen off of the wagon again, get really **** with myself, and then I’d wake up. It would always take me a few minutes to convince myself that it was indeed a dream, and that I not fallen off of the wagon.

 

Then, at another New Year’s Eve party, I fell off of the wagon again, this time with a whole-hearted vengeance. I was so disappointed in myself that I more or less gave up on my ability to completely and finally quit. But several years later, I started having dreams again. This time they were dreams about my teeth falling out and my face rotting and falling off. It would start with a dull ache in my mouth and when I went to the mirror to see what it was, I would find that several of my teeth were loose. As I wiggled them, they would easily break loose at the root and come out, along with lots of blood. But the ache wouldn’t stop, so I would start rubbing my face only to have the skin break loose in my mouth where it connected to my jaw and cheek bone. For some reason, that actually felt better, so I would continue to rub and scratch until large hunks of skin from my cheek and chin would begin to rip off and fall off into the sink. Then I would wake up.

 

It is only very rarely that I have any kind of a “bad” dream, so when I started having those dreams almost every night I decided that I had better try to stop again. This time I used a cessation product, which was sold right next to the other tobacco products. It worked by gradually replacing a greater and greater percentage of tobacco with the cessation product, until there was no more tobacco. It still amazes me how well it worked, and how easy it was. In two or three weeks, I had completely quit, with no cravings whatsoever, and no more dreams.

 

18 years later I still have no desire for tobacco, and no more dreams of either kind.

 

 

OMG! If that dream didnt make you quit, nothing would!

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