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3 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

the SUPER sh!tty ROGER CORMAN 1960 film, which I WOULD NEVER HAVE GUESSED could have inspired something as great and deep as the musical and, IMO, the 1986 movie, because it is AN ASTOUNDINGLY AWFUL FILM.

LEONARD MALTIN gave the 1960 LITTLE SHOP three and a half stars. LEONARD MALTIN huffs KEYBOARD CLEANER. \

You have to appreciate it knowing what you're getting--Charles B. Griffith was Roger Corman's "funny" writer, and audiences expecting B-movie thrills might go to Death Race 2000 or Creature From the Haunted Sea not knowing they were going to get an intentional tongue-in-cheek spoof.

Whatever Little Shop '60 was trying to do, though, worked more effectively in A Bucket of Blood, an almost direct retread of the script, with Dick Miller adding a touch of loner-creepiness to the Seymour-equivalent character, and a more biting satire of beatnik culture taking the place of Shop's sitcom humor.

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14 minutes ago, EricJ said:

You have to appreciate it knowing what you're getting--Charles B. Griffith was Roger Corman's "funny" writer, and audiences expecting B-movie thrills might go to Death Race 2000 or Creature From the Haunted Sea not knowing they were going to get an intentional tongue-in-cheek spoof.

Whatever Little Shop '60 was trying to do, though, worked more effectively in A Bucket of Blood, an almost direct retread of the script, with Dick Miller adding a touch of loner-creepiness to the Seymour-equivalent character, and a more biting satire of beatnik culture taking the place of Shop's sitcom humor.

Yes, DICK (“MURRAY FUDDERMAN”) MILLER is a much better actor than whoever it is that plays Seymour in the original  LITTLE SHOP...although MEL WELLES (I think?0 maybe gives the worst performance of the film as MR MUSHNIK.

None of us have mentioned the APTLY NAMED VINCENT GARDENIA, who does A LOT with the character.

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7 hours ago, TikiSoo said:

Two streaming channels Pluto and Tubi  both have legit live feeds of vintage TV shows. They also give you the option of choosing individual episodes in their menu. I'm currently rewatching CYBILL and found fewer commercials over at Tubi.

Those are both excellent channels. We leave PlutoTV set on Antiques Roadshow if we are not watching a specific program. I believe that Tubi carries Just Shoot Me. The 'practical joke' which is within the first few minutes of the first episode will stay in my mind and make me chuckle for all time. 

XTV carried live feeds of current channels by allegedly pirating UKTV and other channel-aggregating feeds which often require subscriptions.  

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15 hours ago, Mr. Gorman said:

Were any of the DVD releases of LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS the original happier theatrical ending?  (I would assume all the VHS releases were the theatrical version).  

Yes, the one with the blue cover with the plant holding the cast in its tendrils.

15 hours ago, speedracer5 said:

I am distressed to learn that my copy of Little Shop of Horrors sustained flood damage a few years ago.  I had the DVD (the type with the plastic tab that snaps into the case) with the blue cover that Cinema Int'l posted earlier.

Obviously this means only one thing: I need to buy a new copy.

Do you think that this version contains both the original ending and the theatrical one?

https://www.amazon.com/Little-Shop-Horrors-Directors-Theatrical/dp/B074BJJH2H/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=little+shop+of+horror&qid=1588308157&sr=8-2

 

And, yes, it sounds like that Blu-Ray has both versions. The Amazon image of the back confirms it because if you look , it has two different PG-13s and two different run times listed.

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meanwhile, the film turned up on HBO On Demand today , and both versions are on demand there, both happy and tragic.

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5 hours ago, LawrenceA said:

I was searching through my cable TV options late last night when I discovered that the new Peacock streaming service had gone live. It's the NBC/Universal entry in the ever-expanding streaming market. As a Comcast customer, I get a free "Premium" membership. I'm not sure what premium means in this context, as I still had to watch a couple of commercials before a program started, although there were no interruptions while the program was going.

I mention this here because there are a lot of movies available, including many studio-era Universal titles. There didn't appear to be any of the long-sought-after rare Universal titles, or the early Paramount titles that Universal has control over, but there were still enough classic films available that fans of such may be interested.

Comcast owns NBC and Universal, so that is why you got a free Premium membership, because you still subscribe to their cable package, you get early access to it (the service does not go live for non-Comcast customers until July) and you will never have to pay a dime for it even after the introduction. It's a special perk and come-on. Similarily, when WB starts their HBO Max service on Memorial Day weekend,  all people currently subscribed to HBO in their cable packages (like me) will get it for free.

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2 minutes ago, CinemaInternational said:

Comcast owns NBC and Universal, so that is why you got a free Premium membership, because you still subscribe to their cable package, you get early access to it (the service does not go live for non-Comcast customers until July) and you will never have to pay a dime for it even after the introduction. It's a special perk and come-on. Similarily, when WB starts their HBO Max service on Memorial Day weekend,  all people currently subscribed to HBO in their cable packages (like me) will get it for free.

Yes, I was aware of why I received it. My only question was as to the nature of the "premium" nomenclature, since I was still made to watch several commercials beforehand. I'm not really that interested in the details, though, or I would have researched them online. 

I doubt it's a service that I am likely to use often, especially considering the "quality" of the original programming based on the available previews. I had held out hope that the 1980's-era SNL full episodes would be available, but only episodes from the past 5 years are there at the moment.

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1 minute ago, LawrenceA said:

Yes, I was aware of why I received it. My only question was as to the nature of the "premium" nomenclature, since I was still made to watch several commercials beforehand. I'm not really that interested in the details, though, or I would have researched them online. 

I doubt it's a service that I am likely to use often, especially considering the "quality" of the original programming based on the available previews. I had held out hope that the 1980's-era SNL full episodes would be available, but only episodes from the past 5 years are there at the moment.

That reminds me of a bait and switch earlier in the year. I was thrilled to find at the beginning of the year that 70s era SNL episodes were on demand on the TV, and they were scheduled to stay through September, but they vanished by March or April actually.

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Flesh Gordon (1975) a Classic Sexploitation flick perfect viewing for any TCM viewers fond of camp classics

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Made during the Porno Chic era. I actually found a 1:28:48  colletors edition copy streaming  This is a surprisingly fun flick, and contrary to most sexploitation junk somebody actually and lovingly made a pretty good spoof of the old serial sparing no expenses on sets, miniatures, claymation and stop action models.  I was actually saying to myself that I cant believe they put so much money into this. It even include an intermission and cliffhanger, lol.  Its all soft core meaning that there is no actual sex, just simulation and lots of nudity male and female. It's so bad its good.  

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Jason Williams as Flesh Gordon

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Suzanne Fields as Dale Ardor -  Joseph Hudgins  as  Dr. Flexi Jerkoff - Jason Williams as Flesh Gordon

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John Hoyt - Professor Gordon

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Penisaurus

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The Emperor Wang's court hes smoking a hookah

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Queen Amora's Swan Ship

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Here is a short review from IMDb

Superb
Bruce_the_Brilliant21 June 2004
The beauty of Flesh Gordon is that it has no pretensions to seriousness. Much soft porn of the 70's was so mind-bogglingly asinine that lots of us nearly gave up sex. Flesh is so totally different, being funny, that it remains in my memory from the time I saw it in the Mid-70's. I still remember Dr Jerkoff unveiling his spaceship shaped like a giant **** **** with the words "Fortunately I was able to complete the design before the

Sex-ray took effect".

The word 'Penisaurus' has passed into the vocabulary of Britain now, as an insult, obviously. The rapist robots with their little spring willys still linger in my memory.

If I had seen it alone I would probably have walked out, but as a teenage miscreant with a friend it was hysterical. If you are not offended by the sight of breasts and enjoy a laugh watch it with some friends and a beer or two. Excellent fun.

Other accolades from IMDb :

An unusual and surprisingly successful blending of low budget genres

Fun Parody of The Original

If you're looking for a fun blend of soft-core sex, sci-fi and comedy, look no further than Flesh Gordon

Sex, camp and good fun!

A hilarious sexy spoof of the original Flash Gordon series.

Fun legendary softcore flick!

The original campy classic salute to bad movies

Good smutty humor, watch for good Harreyhausen-stylism.

One of the Best Worst Movies of All Time!!!!

A "fun" cult movie that proves porn can be more than just that!

The "Rock Horror Picture Show" of space porn.

Extremely Enjoyable Cult Parody of the Classic 1930s Serial

Sinemaerotica!

 

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Sweet Bird of Youth (1962) 

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Here's a film that I've watched many times,  you know, catching it at the beginning  then loosing interest, or catching it in the middle without really getting into it. I've liked Paul Newman in most of his films. I've liked Ed Begley  in all of his noirs, and his Dramas 12 Angry Men is a standout and his Westerns. It seemed just a bit too set bound revealing its stage origins, and it didn't help that the rest of the cast sort of blended into each other, for me. 

Other films based on Tennessee Williams plays, Streetcar Named Desire, The Fugitive Kind, , Cat on a Hot Tin Roof,  and even Suddenly Last Summer, the characters and story are all compelling enough to carry  the whole film without a lot of location work, the dialogues and monologues create mind movies.   With The Night of the Iguana, and Baby Doll. you get all three characters, story, and great location work. 

With Sweet Bird of Youth you get the great opening credits traveling location sequence and then later the lighthouse assignation location and that's it.  

Well this go round it clicked a little better for one reason, I read about the original plays origins and  the original  synopsis. 

Sweet Bird of Youth's  original scenario is story of a gigolo and drifter, Chance Wayne, who returns to his home town as the companion of a faded movie star, Alexandra Del Lago (travelling incognito as Princess Kosmonopolis), whom he hopes to use to help him break into the movies. The main reason for his homecoming is to get back what he had in his youth: primarily, his old girlfriend, whose father had run him out of town years before.  That got combined with a one act play called The Pink Bedroom that was later developed into Act Two of  Sweet Bird of Youth, featuring Boss Finley and his family.

Here from Wiki (slightly edited) is the original plot of Sweet Bird of Youth what got excised from the film is in bold

"..... native son Chance Wayne has fled his home town (St. Cloud Florida), seeking to profit from his beauty and youth in New York or Hollywood (whichever of the two). When he fails as an actor and then a personality in both cities, he turns to the freelance career of gigolo. As the traveling escort of his current employer, Chance returns to his home town of St. Cloud in an attempt to win back his childhood lover, escorting an aging, depressed, semi-alcoholic film star: Alexandra del Lago, who is running away from the negative criticism she believes is the public and critical response to her last attempt at a cinematic comeback in a recently released film.

Del Lago also had been running away and burying herself in sex, alcohol, and drugs until Chance recognized her while hustling in a Florida resort. He saw in her a last chance to build a relationship (taking care of her while on their drive back to Hollywood, with him as her escort). He is using his perceived gallantry to entice del Lago to give him a foot in the door to stardom which he failed to achieve on his own. As he and del Lago were driving along the Sunset Route back to California, Chance hopes that he will reunite with Heavenly Finley, his childhood sweetheart, and bring her back to Hollywood, where – with del Lago's aid – they will both achieve stardom.

Unfortunately once returned to St. Cloud, Chance discovers Heavenly is only a shadow of the girl he knew. During his last visit to St. Cloud, he had unknowingly infected her with an STD (syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, **** warts)  he picked up as a result of his own promiscuity. When she discovered the problem it resulted in sterility. Her powerful and corrupt father and brother are determined to make Chance pay for the injury done to Heavenly.

Using Alexandra's car and funds, Chance tries to prove to the town that he is a success, but his old friends call his bluff and see him for what he has become. Meanwhile, Alexandra receives news that the criticism she's been running from is actually praise and that her comeback could not have been better. Chance believes he will ride with her to the top, but Alexandra has no wish for a gigolo to besmirch her good name. With his youth gone, Chance does not know how to move on with his life. Although she will not recommend him for a job in Hollywood, Alexandra urges him to continue as her escort, but he decides to stay and try to re-hook up with Heavenly which results in hi being caught by Heavvenly's brother and his crew  who attacked and castrate him. 

Definitely a bit more traumatic than the Hollywood ending where Chance just gets his face rearranged. Next time you watch it with the real story in mind.

 

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Let me add that this go round Geraldine Page and Madeleine Sherwood impressed a bit more too. I don't know what it is about Page but shes got a Shirley Booth quality or "Aura" about her something about her facial feature that's a bit off putting. The same off putting quality that for other reasons Shelly Winters has. The only actress with similar facial that is attractive to me is Karen Black

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Karen Black, Oscar-nominated Star of '70s Classics, Dies at 74

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13 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

 

Shirley Booth, winner of the Best Actress Oscar, 1953 (Come Back ...

Karen Black, Oscar-nominated Star of '70s Classics, Dies at 74

Those two have slightly close set eyes. This miniscule facial feature can be off-putting in an inner primal sort of subliminal way because it's a "predator" look?

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1 minute ago, TikiSoo said:

Those two have slightly close set eyes. This miniscule facial feature can be off-putting in an inner primal sort of subliminal way because it's a "predator" look?

Could be, "spider women",  maybe also could be an un-hinged look too  lol.

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12 minutes ago, TikiSoo said:

Those two have slightly close set eyes. This miniscule facial feature can be off-putting in an inner primal sort of subliminal way because it's a "predator" look?

“Eyes in the front, the animal hunts. Eyes on the side, the animal hides.”

Predator eyes are close set and face forward to improve depth of vision which is essential for accurate attacks. Prey eyes are set wide and are more on the sides of the head so as to widen the field of peripheral vision which helps to detect predators. This is a fact which most people do not realize they know but they do act/react to it.

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However predator reptiles and birds (exception owls) have them on side

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I finally viewed Night Editor since MOVIES showed it at 8:45 PM PDT.        Ok,  film but only because of Janis Carter.    William Gargan was just flat out bad.   So wooden,  so bland and just adding nothing as the noir protagonist.    I was unable to have any sympathy for his character regardless of how the femme fatale was treating him.    He was just a sucker and deserved all that happened to him.

Spoiler Alert: 

The ending and solving of the crime,  was also very weak and unrealistic.      I was really hoping  the killer would bump off Carter,  which would have provided some degree of satisfaction,   but alas that didn't happen.     Oh, well,  at least I was able to cross off another 'B' noir from my bucket list.  

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I watched 2001 A SPACE ODYSSY on TCM last night. I made dinner during the first "Ape Man" section, it's my least favorite. As soon as the bone was tossed, I sat down to watch. 

2001 is one of my very favorite films and I haven't seen it since showing it to my stepdaughter over 5 years ago. I kind of narrated it for her to follow & at the end her arms flew up in the air & she said, "That is the greatest movie EVER!" well, if it needs narration, it's not the greatest.

This time around, I was rapt in attention and the story seemed to fly by. I can see how for many, there would seem to be long dragging lags of time, but for me that just illustrated "space".  I especially like the white noise sound used for illustrating space and the maelstrom of human voices for the Monolith. Another brilliant decision.

Later, talking about it on the phone, (what did you do today?)I was asked if seeing it so many times, did I ever discover anything new? This time around, I was struck by how HAL kind of becomes human, (deciding to kill, "my mind is going I can feel it", singing a song) and the human Bowman becomes a calculated "machine"-he does not speak but just performs his job without emotion. Nice touch Kubrick.

I also reiterated my story of seeing it screened in 35mm at the Wang Center in Boston (a big vintage movie palace) with friends. I was the ONLY person in my group who found it thrilling, obviously I never tire of watching it. It is an artistic achievement.

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55 minutes ago, TikiSoo said:

I watched 2001 A SPACE ODYSSY on TCM last night. I made dinner during the first "Ape Man" section, it's my least favorite. As soon as the bone was tossed, I sat down to watch. 

2001 is one of my very favorite films and I haven't seen it since showing it to my stepdaughter over 5 years ago. I kind of narrated it for her to follow & at the end her arms flew up in the air & she said, "That is the greatest movie EVER!" well, if it needs narration, it's not the greatest.

This time around, I was rapt in attention and the story seemed to fly by. I can see how for many, there would seem to be long dragging lags of time, but for me that just illustrated "space".  I especially like the white noise sound used for illustrating space and the maelstrom of human voices for the Monolith. Another brilliant decision.

Later, talking about it on the phone, (what did you do today?)I was asked if seeing it so many times, did I ever discover anything new? This time around, I was struck by how HAL kind of becomes human, (deciding to kill, "my mind is going I can feel it", singing a song) and the human Bowman becomes a calculated "machine"-he does not speak but just performs his job without emotion. Nice touch Kubrick.

I also reiterated my story of seeing it screened in 35mm at the Wang Center in Boston (a big vintage movie palace) with friends. I was the ONLY person in my group who found it thrilling, obviously I never tire of watching it. It is an artistic achievement.

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I did not see this in theaters when it came out originally, but in the late 1970s, one of the Dallas independent television stations ran this film, and even though we lived 100 miles away, we received the station on cable.   The interesting thing is that a Dallas FM station simulcasted the film's soundtrack in stereo in synch with the movie.  It was the first movie I ever heard in stereo at home (stereo TV sound wouldn't be available until the 1980s).

I had read the novelization a couple of times in middle school, so that answered a lot of questions that the films narrative left open or that need (IMO) a bit more exposition.  I recently went through my audio and video collections and discovered (rediscovered?) that I have 4 copies of this film:  VHS, LaserDisc, DVD and Blu-Ray.  The first two are of little use to me now as I have no VCR or LD player.

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Watched Billy Wilders Ace In the Hole(1951) for the first time yesterday. Simultaneously one of the most depressing and brilliant movies I’ve ever seen. Sad how relevant it still is given its depiction of the media circus. Kirk Douglas is scary good in it and I’m disappointed he didn’t work with Wilder more often. Apparently he was asked to play the lead in Stalag 17 but turned it down. 

Black and White cinematography by Charles Lang is gorgeous and the dialogue seems real and not normal “movie language” as I call it. Still relevant and powerful noir drama. Just brilliant.

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so this MOVIELAND add-on channel continues to ROCK MY WORLD- I swear the FBI is gonna come knocking on my door...

I watched FLASH (A-AH) GORDON (1980) for the first time in a looooong time, have been on the lookout for it for a while.

those of you who had HBO in the 1980's will WELL REMEMBER that about 80% of their programming was culled from about 20-30 films that were either commercial failures or outright disasters and they would show them in HEAVY ROTATION throughout the week, working in JAWS or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK or A PASSAGE TO INDIA on occasion just to remind you they could be legit when they wanted.

this showed A LOT, but we always for some reason missed the first 15 minutes. YEARS PASSED and I had never seen the first 15 minutes of this movie, and then- one day- i saw them and OOF!

This film has one of the worst beginnings- ROCKIN OPENING CREDITS ASIDE- of any movie with an earned cult following- it was blessed providence we missed it all those times over the years. Really, I recommend just skipping things until they get to MONGOL (yeah, they kept the name. it was 1980)

but then the FOOTBALL GAME in the THRONE ROOM starts and it's pretty fun from there.

God, this thing is SO ITALIAN- it just has that SHELLACKED, PRIMARY COLOR, ARGENTO look to it.

The costumes should have been nominated, they are a lot of fun.

watching it, I had forgotten the multiple sexual awakenings that I had as an 8 year old watching this movie...and that includes wanting to be ORNELLA MUTI (unfortunately, like HIGHLANDER, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.) Damn, TIMOTHY DALTON was HOT and BRIAN BLESSED had some THIGHS...I'm guessing the HAWKMEN had a RUGBY LEAGUE...

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3 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

BRIAN BLESSED had some THIGHS..

Also one of the biggest mouths on a human being ever

Who informed the world that Brian Blessed was making laser noises ...

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19 minutes ago, Det Jim McLeod said:

Also one of the biggest mouths on a human being ever

Who informed the world that Brian Blessed was making laser noises ...

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF HE AND CARLY SIMON HAD A BABY TOGETHER?

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST A GIANT PAIR OF CHOMPING NOVELTY TEETH WITH ARMS AND LEGS.

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2 hours ago, txfilmfan said:

The interesting thing is that a Dallas FM station simulcasted the film's soundtrack in stereo in synch with the movie.  It was the first movie I ever heard in stereo at home (stereo TV sound wouldn't be available until the 1980s).

I had read the novelization a couple of times in middle school, so that answered a lot of questions that the films narrative left open or that need (IMO) a bit more exposition.  I recently went through my audio and video collections and discovered (rediscovered?) that I have 4 copies of this film:  VHS, LaserDisc, DVD and Blu-Ray.  

Wow, interesting story about the radio station-cool! I was advised never to see it on TV, esp the first viewing. My TV is rather small by today's standards, but the experience is greatly enhanced by 4.1 surround sound.

People pay big money for laser disks, they're hard to find and 2001 is a great one.

28 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

SO ITALIAN- it just has that SHELLACKED, PRIMARY COLOR, ARGENTO look to it.

Haha you have such a way with words.

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1 minute ago, TikiSoo said:

Wow, interesting story about the radio station-cool! I was advised never to see it on TV, esp the first viewing. 

I was only 5 when it was first run, and I lived in a town of 25,000, so there was no chance of it showing on a screen near me growing up.  I have only seen it once on a movie screen, and that was in London.

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21 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

so this MOVIELAND add-on channel continues to ROCK MY WORLD- I swear the FBI is gonna come knocking on my door...

I watched FLASH (A-AH) GORDON (1980) for the first time in a looooong time, have been on the lookout for it for a while.

those of you who had HBO in the 1980's will WELL REMEMBER that about 80% of their programming was culled from about 20-30 films that were either commercial failures or outright disasters and they would show them in HEAVY ROTATION throughout the week, working in JAWS or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK or A PASSAGE TO INDIA on occasion just to remind you they could be legit when they wanted.

this showed A LOT, but we always for some reason missed the first 15 minutes. YEARS PASSED and I had never seen the first 15 minutes of this movie, and then- one day- i saw them and OOF!

This film has one of the worst beginnings- ROCKIN OPENING CREDITS ASIDE- of any movie with an earned cult following- it was blessed providence we missed it all those times over the years. Really, I recommend just skipping things until they get to MONGOL (yeah, they kept the name. it was 1980)

but then the FOOTBALL GAME in the THRONE ROOM starts and it's pretty fun from there.

God, this thing is SO ITALIAN- it just has that SHELLACKED, PRIMARY COLOR, ARGENTO look to it.

The costumes should have been nominated, they are a lot of fun.

watching it, I had forgotten the multiple sexual awakenings that I had as an 8 year old watching this movie...and that includes wanting to be ORNELLA MUTI (unfortunately, like HIGHLANDER, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.) Damn, TIMOTHY DALTON was HOT and BRIAN BLESSED had some THIGHS...I'm guessing the HAWKMEN had a RUGBY LEAGUE...

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I watched this too about a month ago, and just a couple of days ago found Flesh Gordon a very entertaining sexploitation spoof (R rated) of the  original series streaming  free So PM me if you want to make a comparison.  Hey, it's even got Film Noir vet John Hoyt  😎

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