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Anyone catch the TCM programing "Glitch" last night?

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Did anyone else catch this "glitch" in last nights film lineup?

 

 

I had the DVR set to record INTRUDER IN THE DUST and later THE ICE PIRATES last night.

 

Today, when I looked at the recordings, I noticed that at the end of IITD, there was no end wrap-around by Ben, and no pop-up giving the next 3 programs.

 

The next movie began just before the DVR shutoff and instead of NOTHING LASTS FOREVER, which was (and still is listed in the current Full-schedule) BRAINSTORM began.

BRAINSTORM carried over into when ICE PIRATES was supposed to start, and even though I had the DVR set to record until 10 minutes into the next feature (Perversion For Profit) because of the unscheduled & unlisted last minute program change the DVR shut off well before the end of ICE PIRATES.

 

At the time I thought, maybe I had overlooked a last minute program change, but when I checked last nights schedule today it was still listing the below programs.

 

Had I known BRAINSTORM was going to be on I would have recorded it too. Instead of missing both it and ICE PIRATES which I'd never seen.

 

BRAINSTORM (1983) was Natalie Wood's last film. She died while this film was in production.

 

Natalie Wood had been acting since she was a young child and was one of only a few child stars that was able to successfully transition from child-to-teen-to-adult roles. She was only 43 when she died November 29, 1981.

Though Natalie had already completed most of her major scenes, her death shut down MGM production of BRAINSTORM. However, after a display of interest in her last film was demonstrated, additional funding was acquired and director/producer Douglas Trumbull rewrote some scenes and used a body double in others (a la Jean Harlow's last film SARATOGA in 1937), enabling the completion and distribution of BRAINSTORM in September 1983.

Although (unlike SARATOGA) BRAINSTORM fell far short of recouping its $18 million production costs by almost $8 million at the box office.

 

THE ICE PIRATES (1984) was the 3rd of only about a dozen films featuring Robert Ulrich.

 

During his all to brief life and acting career Robert Ulrich was featured and starred in several television programs and is perhaps best known for the "Spencer For Hire" PI series (1985-1988).

But he was only in about a dozen feature films and was the lead in only a few of those (including ICE PIRATES).

Robert Ulrich was first diagnosed with cancer in 1996. After undergoing chemo he was pronounced "cancer free" in 1998. But the cancer returned and he passed away in April 2002, at the age of 55.

 

 

Evidently the people at TCM are still unaware that someone did a programing switcharoo last night. :ph34r::blink:

 

 

 

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There was a comment by barton in my Tomorrow thread which addressed the change in films. Apparently there was a rights issue.

 

This is why we have to monitor the schedule each day-- and also to monitor DVR recordings more closely.

 

There is another potential glitch coming up on the night the Newman-Woodward films are set to air. It looks like PARIS BLUES is being dropped because of time constraints. 

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There was a comment by barton in my Tomorrow thread which addressed the change in films. Apparently there was a rights issue.

 

This is why we have to monitor the schedule each day-- and also to monitor DVR recordings more closely.

 

There is another potential glitch coming up on the night the Newman-Woodward films are set to air. It looks like PARIS BLUES is being dropped because of time constraints. 

 

A "Rights Issue" for what, Nothing Lasts Forever (1984)? That film was shown by TCM earlier this year.

Likewise TCM has aired Paris Blues several times before, without problem.

How can these "Right's Issues" crop up out of the blue, to the point that TCM programers are not even aware early enough to post in their "revised" Full schedule?

And if such changes are NOT noted in the "latest" on-line schedule, what good does "daily monitoring" of it do for us when it comes to watching or recording?

 

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What schedule was "Barton" looking at?

It is still posting that NOTHING LASTS FOREVER played last night on the TCM FULL DAILY SCHEDULE

 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

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I'm not sure if I'm following your post but it sounds as if either your DVR might not have "phoned home" in time to pick up the lastest changes, or possibly it did and the changes didn't get sorted out properly on your machine.  Things happen, I have both of those things happen.

 

I update my DVR's schedule manually (too much to explain here), and happened to be scheduling my DVR during the day yesterday and came across this change, so it was at least out there.

 

Edit: never mind, I see you are still thinking about the rights issues.

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What schedule was "Barton" looking at?

It is still posting that NOTHING LASTS FOREVER played last night on the TCM FULL DAILY SCHEDULE

 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

 

My information comes not from a schedule but from the TCM Underground Twitter account (https://twitter.com/TCMUnderground). The folks who monitor that account sent out the following information yesterday morning: "Due to a rights issue we very unfortunately have to pull NOTHING LASTS FOREVER scheduled for this week. Hope to get it back on the air soon."

 

Later, the following information was also provided by the same source: "Last minute swap-out tonight: BRAINSTORM (1983) starting at 2:00am eastern."

 

That's all I've got.

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Had I known BRAINSTORM was going to be on I would have recorded it too. Instead of missing both it and ICE PIRATES which I'd never seen.

 

BRAINSTORM (1983) was Natalie Wood's last film. She died while this film was in production.

 

Natalie Wood had been acting since she was a young child and was one of only a few child stars that was able to successfully transition from child-to-teen-to-adult roles. She was only 43 when she died November 29, 1981.

Though Natalie had already completed most of her major scenes, her death shut down MGM production of BRAINSTORM. However, after a display of interest in her last film was demonstrated, additional funding was acquired and director/producer Douglas Trumbull rewrote some scenes and used a body double in others (a la Jean Harlow's last film SARATOGA in 1937), enabling the completion and distribution of BRAINSTORM in September 1983.

 

BRAINSTORM is also scheduled to air on June 25.

 

I knew about the last minute schedule change so I DVRed BRAINSTORM but the formatting was off.

On the SD channel it started out letterboxed then switched from letterboxed to window boxed (quite a small window I might add) for the first few minutes.

Finally it settled on window boxing.

 

I hope the formatting is correct for the next airing on June 25.

I don't think this formatting issue was due to the print.

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My information comes not from a schedule but from the TCM Underground Twitter account (https://twitter.com/TCMUnderground). The folks who monitor that account sent out the following information yesterday morning: "Due to a rights issue we very unfortunately have to pull NOTHING LASTS FOREVER scheduled for this week. Hope to get it back on the air soon."

 

Later, the following information was also provided by the same source: "Last minute swap-out tonight: BRAINSTORM (1983) starting at 2:00am eastern."

 

That's all I've got.

 

Thanks Barton

 

Evidently we "Need" more than just TCM's Full on-line schedule to be kept abreast of the latest, last minute changes that sometimes occur.

 

I do not subscribe to Twitter or Facebook, etc. and my only sources for TCM programing have been their published monthly hardcopy and their monthly online schedules, which are both subject to change.

I have been referring to the TCM Daily Full online Schedule for the latest revisions, which has (from my experience) up until now, been up-to-date with what TCM actually broadcasts.

I own my own HD DVR which I then program to record whatever I will not be available to immediately watch.

 

I am still wondering how such "rights" to broadcast can be revoked at the last minute like this, especially on films that TCM has either recently broadcast or has previously broadcast numerous times in the past.

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BRAINSTORM is also scheduled to air on June 25.

 

I knew abiout the last minute schedule change so I DVRed BRAINSTORM but the formnatting was off.

On the SD channel it started out letterboxed then switched from letterboxed to window boxed (quite a small window I might add) for the first few minutes.

Finally it settled on window boxing.

 

I hope the formatting is correct for the next airing on June 25.

I don't think this formatting issue was due to the print.

 

Thanks Holden,

Like yourself, I plan to record BRAINSTORM at that time.

Hopefully it won't be swapped out for something else at that time.... ????

 

Wonder when/if TCM will show ICE PIRATES AGAIN?

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I'm not sure if I'm following your post but it sounds as if either your DVR might not have "phoned home" in time to pick up the lastest changes, or possibly it did and the changes didn't get sorted out properly on your machine.  Things happen, I have both of those things happen.

 

I update my DVR's schedule manually (too much to explain here), and happened to be scheduling my DVR during the day yesterday and came across this change, so it was at least out there.

 

Edit: never mind, I see you are still thinking about the rights issues.

 

I have an aftermarket HD DVR that I program manually based on the best schedule information that I have, which evidently is not always good enough.

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I have an aftermarket HD DVR that I program manually based on the best schedule information that I have, which evidently is not always good enough.

 

Does it store a downloaded schedule from a service like Schedules Direct, or do you program it like you would a VCR?

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Does it store a downloaded schedule from a service like Schedules Direct, or do you program it like you would a VCR?

 

Nope, I have to program it manually like a VCR.

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Nope, I have to program it manually like a VCR.

 

Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem then. 

 

At the very least TCM ought to color the changes in their online weekly schedule with a unique new color or shading, and depict it on a legend, so that people can see at a glace what has been changed since the original posting.

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BRAINSTORM is also scheduled to air on June 25.

 

I knew about the last minute schedule change so I DVRed BRAINSTORM but the formatting was off.

On the SD channel it started out letterboxed then switched from letterboxed to window boxed (quite a small window I might add) for the first few minutes.

Finally it settled on window boxing.

 

I hope the formatting is correct for the next airing on June 25.

I don't think this formatting issue was due to the print.

 

Wow, that was one small window, wasn't it.

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Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem then. 

 

At the very least TCM ought to color the changes in their online weekly schedule with a unique new color or shading, and depict it on a legend, so that people can see at a glace what has been changed since the original posting.

That would be helpful, but in this case it wouldn't have mattered as they are still listing the TCM Full Daily Schedule as if nothing has /had changed...

 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

 

So unless one uses Twitter or Facebook, or has DVR access to a service like Schedules Direct, etc. they will not be up-to-speed if relying on just TCM's online schedule for accuracy, when things like this happen.

 

 

Fortunately, this is a rare occurance. :)

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In this case it wouldn't have mattered as they are still listing the TCM Full Daily Schedule as if nothing has /had changed...

 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

 

So unless one uses Twitter or Facebook, or has DVR access to a service like Schedules Direct, etc. they will not be up-to-speed if relying on just TCM's online schedule for accuracy, when things like this happens.

 

Here's the one I usually go to.  http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html

It is down right this minute as I type this, so maybe they are working on it.

An alternative to using a DVR connected to a scheduling service might be to check this link.  It is sourced by the same company that provides online scheduling for many cable co DVRs.

http://www.zap2it.com/tvlistings

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I subscribe to Now Playing which comes about 6-8 weeks before the applicable month (way too early).  I highlight shows I want to record, especially overnight.  However, I have learned to check the Charter info schedule from the cable box before setting recording.  Saturday night was a perfect example as I was going to record Nothing Lasts Forever, but discovered it had been removed.

Have also noticed that when they start substituting or removing the times on Charter Info may not be accurate.  They showed Pervision for Profit as a 6 min. feature rather than the 31 mins. it is.

I have recommended to TCM that they send out an e-mail to all Now Playing subscribers to notify us of changes.  Seems they could do that as they have our email addresses or could.  Maybe set up a site where people could register to be notified of changes even those who do not subscribe to NP?  All of this could be automated.

Another reason for TCM to do this is for when they make changes for memorials and so forth.  That totally screws up the Now Playing schedule.

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I am still wondering how such "rights" to broadcast can be revoked at the last minute like this, especially on films that TCM has either recently broadcast or has previously broadcast numerous times in the past.

Good point.  Seems to me that if it was listed by TCM within last couple of days, they should already have had the rights.

Also, why print it in Now Playing if they do not have the rights?

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Here's the one I usually go to.  http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html

It is down right this minute as I type this, so maybe they are working on it.

An alternative to using a DVR connected to a scheduling service might be to check this link.  It is sourced by the same company that provides online scheduling for many cable co DVRs.

http://www.zap2it.com/tvlistings

Thanks for the Links, Movie.

I have saved zapit so I can refer to it.

I always start with TCM's Monthly Schedule

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?tz=EST&sdate=2015-06-01

 

Then revise with their daily and/or weekly schedules as needed.

Weekly

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

(which, BTW, I see does now have the accurate listings for last night, though still NOT on the

Daily 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

Go figure!)

 

I can't check what ZapIt said about last night on TCM as it appears to only go forward for about 4-5 days.

But it seems silly that sources other-than TCM would have more accurate schedule information than TCM's own online schedule/s.

And if I have to refer to all these alternates just to verify what TCM is actually going to show, then I'll only likely do it when it is a very special movie that I want to be sure to watch or record. Certainly won't be doing all this double-checking all the time.

 

It's bad enough using TCM's Full Daily Schedule to cross-check their monthly schedule, but I'd resigned myself to that habitual effort long ago.

Like I said, thankfully this is a rare occurance.

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Thanks for the Links, Movie.

I have saved zapit so I can refer to it.

I always start with TCM's Monthly Schedule

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.html?tz=EST&sdate=2015-06-01

 

Then revise with their daily and/or weekly schedules as needed.

 

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/weekly.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

(which, BTW, I see does now have the accurate listings for last night, though still NOT on the

http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=CST&sdate=2015-05-30

Go figure!)

 

I can't check what ZapIt said about last night on TCM as it appears to only go forward for about 4-5 days.

But it seems silly that sources other-than TCM would have more accurate schedule information than TCM's own online schedule/s.

And if I have to refer to all these alternates just to verify what TCM is actually going to show, then I'll only likely do it when it is a very special movie that I want to be sure to watch or record. Certainly won't be doing all this double-checking all the time.

 

It's bad enough using TCM's Full Daily Schedule to cross-check their monthly schedule, but I'd resigned myself to that habitual effort long ago.

Like I said, thankfully this is a rare occurance.

 

All I know is if I were doing a schedule, I would put it together so that only one item that needs to be updated, and anything else would reference parts of that.  But I did check and their monthly schedule was correct yesterday/last night.  So maybe that is the one to look at.

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I subscribe to Now Playing which comes about 6-8 weeks before the applicable month (way too early).  I highlight shows I want to record, especially overnight.  However, I have learned to check the Charter info schedule from the cable box before setting recording.  Saturday night was a perfect example as I was going to record Nothing Lasts Forever, but discovered it had been removed.

Have also noticed that when they start substituting or removing the times on Charter Info may not be accurate.  They showed Pervision for Profit as a 6 min. feature rather than the 31 mins. it is.

I have recommended to TCM that they send out an e-mail to all Now Playing subscribers to notify us of changes.  Seems they could do that as they have our email addresses or could.  Maybe set up a site where people could register to be notified of changes even those who do not subscribe to NP?  All of this could be automated.

Another reason for TCM to do this is for when they make changes for memorials and so forth.  That totally screws up the Now Playing schedule.

Like yourself, I receive the  Now Playing Guide in the mail. I like reading it, but it's not reliable. I almost exclusively use the 3-month-out online monthly schedules and save a copy of that to my PC and edit it from the more accurate TCM Full Daily/Weekly schedules.

This has worked for me for a number of years now, but it does take a lot of time.  

 

It would be really nice and convenient if TCM would provide an automated email update service such as you suggest for those schedule changes. Or, at the very least a color code for schedule changes as MovieCollectorOH suggested.  

I abhor the need to use outside TCM sources to double-check a posted TCM schedule.

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All I know is if I were doing a schedule, I would put it together so that only one item that needs to be updated, and anything else would reference parts of that.  But I did check and their monthly schedule was correct yesterday/last night.  So maybe that is the one to look at.

I can see that.

Funny how their current month schedule link is up-to-date; and their weekly schedule is now up-to-date, but their daily schedule is NOT.

I suggest that TCM have their IT person, or whomever is qualified and authorized, to make sure that when one of their "master" schedules is updated, that ALL of their schedules receive the same UPDATE, at the SAME TIME.

Would have eliminated last nights frustration. And possibly future frustration from most TCM devotees.

 

We already have to contend with outages, poor signal quality, and interruptions from our TCM providers, it would be nice to be able to count on TCM having a consistently reliable online schedule that we can refer to.

 

Also, would be really nice to implement some sort of automatic email alert "program schedule change" notification for TCM subscribers.

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FYI, Stephan, I did post this last nite under UNDERGROUND SCHEDULE CHANGE

but not too many noticed....

 

Posted Yesterday, 01:17 AM

SORRY for double post.....

(but was looking forward to this, since last recording got messed up)

 

TCM Underground tweeted this on 5-28.....

"Due to a rights issue we very unfortunately have to pull NOTHING LASTS FOREVER scheduled for this week. Hope to get it back on the air soon."

 

But it's still on the online schedule, so don't know WHAT IS GOING ON????

:blink:

 

- Okay, my DirectTV is now showing "Brainstorm" ('83) is airing in that timeslot

PHOOEY!! :angry:

 

What a dumb way to find out!!

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FYI, Stephan, I did post this last nite under UNDERGROUND SCHEDULE CHANGE

but not too many noticed....

 

Posted Yesterday, 01:17 AM

SORRY for double post.....

(but was looking forward to this, since last recording got messed up)

 

TCM Underground tweeted this on 5-28.....

"Due to a rights issue we very unfortunately have to pull NOTHING LASTS FOREVER scheduled for this week. Hope to get it back on the air soon."

 

But it's still on the online schedule, so don't know WHAT IS GOING ON????

:blink:

 

- Okay, my DirectTV is now showing "Brainstorm" ('83) is airing in that timeslot

PHOOEY!! :angry:

 

What a dumb way to find out!!

 

http://forums.tcm.com/index.php?/topic/53316-underground-schedule-change-tonight/

 

I see that you caught the "error" while the film change was in progress, I didn't discover it until I checked today to see what I had (and hadn't) recorded.

 

I do have a copy of NOTHING LASTS FOREVER (1984) that I recorded when TCM last aired it. If you send me a PM with your mailing address I'd be happy to send the disc to you.

Hopefully that won't violate any "rights issues."   :huh:

 

I'm just alittle disappointed that this misinformation "glitch" caused me to miss an opportunity to see one of the few Robert Ulrich films, and Natalie Woods last.

BRAINSTORM is currently on schedule to play again later this month, so I may have another shot at that.

No telling when THE ICE PIRATES will be reshown.

I won't shed any tears over this, just a little disappointed.

I've lost many, many, many,... times more opportunities to watch a good ole' movie on TCM due to my provider's poor signals and interruptions, etc. than when TCM makes a schedule change that I don't catch.

I can forgive TCM. With my provider it's a habitual problem that I pay a hefty sum to support.

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Wow, that was one small window, wasn't it.

 

Yes, it was a very small window indeed.

 

I hope the formatting is corrected for the next airing of BRAINSTORM.

As I stated before I don't think this boxing issue was due to the print but rather something that was done in the airing because the first few minutes switched back and forth between letter boxing and window boxing before finally settling on window boxing. 

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Wonder when/if TCM will show ICE PIRATES AGAIN?

 

I've noticed that many TCM Underground selections are recycled every three or four months. So look for it again in September or October.

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