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At the end of LITTLE BIG MAN tonite, in Robert Osborne's wraparound he said:

"Up next another western, this time John Wayne stars as a man hell bent to rescue his niece whose been kidnapped by Crow Indians." 

The movie he was introducing was THE SEARCHERS.

In that movie Natalie Wood is kidnapped by Comanches, or more acurately Kiowa-Comanches.

Though John Ford used his beloved Monument Valley for most of the location shooting, in the movie they were "Texacans" and their ranch was in Texas, probably the panhandle area near the Red River, an area that was dominated by Comanches and Kiowa in the mid-late 1800's.

Several times in the movie Chief Scar is referred to as a member of the "Nyaki Comanches."

Anyone who has seen this movie more than once should remember this. And Robert has introduced this film how many times???

 

Historically, I can't think of what Comanche subtribe they were actually refering to as there was no native written language, just pictographs, and phoenetic spelling can vary drastically, but probably it was the Nawyehkah (which loosely means ‘Not Staying in one place’ or 'Wanderers').

 

If they recorded this intro the same time as the two other classic westerns this evening maybe Robert was a little confused.  

LITTLE BIG MAN primarily involved Cheyenne, Pawnee, and Sioux at the climactic battle at the end.

JEREMIAH JOHNSON was living in Crow territory. "Married" a Flat Head girl, and at one time a reference was made to Apache.

Perhaps RO was mistakenly thinking about the Indians in this film when he mistakenly referred to Crow in THE SEARCHERS.

But since he usually reads verbatim what has been written for him, the screw up is in the writers hands.

Still, you'd think that RO would have recognized the gaff and corrected himself, inspite of what was written.  

 

I know wraparound inaccuracies ocurr from time to time, but on a film shown as often as THE SEARCHERS, I'd think that no one would write or say such blatant error.

 

Anyway. The first three films tonight are an excellent Line-up of classic, mostly accurate depictions of native Americans on film. And no matter how many times I've seen these films, if they're on, I'm drawn to watch them.

 

Now gotta go back watch'n THE SEARCHERS, perhaps Wayne's greatest western (IMHO), at least it ranks right up there. :)

 

Edit: RO corrected himself in the actual intro to THE SEARCHERS, referring to Natalie being kidnapped by Comanche, not Crow.

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What's the big deal? It was just a minor mistake. for crying out loud. I assume that Robert Osborne still records the whole month's worth in a couple of days. That can be a couple of hundred intros and closes and a lot of work for a person even  half his age. If so, then maybe you should cut him a little slack if he missed an error that somebody else  put in the teleprompter.

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What's the big deal? It was just a minor mistake. for crying out loud. I assume that Robert Osborne still records the whole month's worth in a couple of days. That can be a couple of hundred intros and closes and a lot of work for a person even  half his age. If so, then maybe you should cut him a little slack if he missed an error that somebody else  put in the teleprompter.

 

You are absolutely correct.

And he probably does record them all in just a few days, kinda makes yah wonder about his actual workload, doesn't it.

Boy I'd love a job where I actually worked a week out of the month, but got paid for the entire month.

Anyway, who of us really knows what his schedule is.

Long ago, when I first started watching TCM, I naively thought that he was sitting there watching the entire movie with me.

Maybe he's never actually seen THE SEARCHERS, or maybe only once?

Who knows how many of those movies that are introduced have even been watched by the host.

Lord knows they wouldn't have time unless maybe they were paid to watch the movies they host.

 

Yep, I am in a nit-pickin mood tonight, and that little RO gaff did catch me at a "right" or "wrong" time.

Normally I'd never comment publicly about such a minor goof. I usually leave that to others on these boards, but tonight I did, and thankfully somebody stepped up to say what a non-big deal it is. ;)   

 

But it wasn't that long ago, in another thread, that there was a whole sideline on how too many people get whatever knowledge they may have about anything from the movies they watch and the personalities they listen to.

And RO is considered to be somewhat of an authority and father figure when it comes to movies, so perhaps he should be held to a higher standard.

He was probably kicking himself, or cursing at someone between the end comment of LITTLE BIG MAN, and made a point to correct himself in the actual intro to THE SEARCHERS.

But I was on the PC at the time and had already made my post.

 

Anyway markfp2 I'm usually the guy who makes mention of "lightening-up" and "cutting-slack" but tonight I was both on the giving and receiving end. So thanks. :)  

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Well, I'M no Native American authority, but in years of watching western movies I've learned one thing.

 

NOTHING strikes dread or fear into a long time western movie audience than the mention of Comanches or Comancheros! 

 

They're Just BAD GUYS!

 

 

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Well, I'M no Native American authority, but in years of watching western movies I've learned one thing.

 

NOTHING strikes dread or fear into a long time western movie audience than the mention of Comanches or Comancheros! 

 

They're Just BAD GUYS!

 

 

Sepiatone

 

Yeah, and NOW days of course, the families of many elderly pensioners "dread" them losing their Social Security checks on the slot machines at many of the casinos most ALL of the N/A tribes own and operate.

 

(...yep, as they say, "The more things change, the more they stay the same", alright!) ;)

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At times I  too get upset at some of the misstatements made during the intro/exit comments by RO, Ben, or whoever.  I wish someone at TCM , or with insight to the process, would clarify just who is responsible for these mistakes. I assume that someone researches the subject, writes the script, and only then the host reads the copy for the wraparound tapings. I don't expect RO or Ben to know everything about everything, probably  at times they themselves catch errors in the script and point them out for correction.  But they are the ones who are presented to the public and the accuracy or lack of it reflects on them.  That may or may not be fair to hold them accountable.  Again I would say  that someone has to be more careful in  the researching of the subject matter.  And I will also say that we the audience have to be a little tolerant of the occasional mistake.

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At the end of LITTLE BIG MAN tonite, in Robert Osborne's wraparound he said:

"Up next another western, this time John Wayne stars as a man hell bent to rescue his niece whose been kidnapped by Crow Indians." 

The movie he was introducing was THE SEARCHERS.

In that movie Natalie Wood is kidnapped by Comanches, or more acurately Kiowa-Comanches.

Though John Ford used his beloved Monument Valley for most of the location shooting, in the movie they were "Texacans" and their ranch was in Texas, probably the panhandle area near the Red River, an area that was dominated by Comanches and Kiowa in the mid-late 1800's.

Several times in the movie Chief Scar is referred to as a member of the "Nyaki Comanches."

Anyone who has seen this movie more than once should remember this. And Robert has introduced this film how many times???

 

Historically, I can't think of what Comanche subtribe they were actually refering to as there was no native written language, just pictographs, and phoenetic spelling can vary drastically, but probably it was the Nawyehkah (which loosely means ‘Not Staying in one place’ or 'Wanderers').

 

If they recorded this intro the same time as the two other classic westerns this evening maybe Robert was a little confused.  

LITTLE BIG MAN primarily involved Cheyenne, Pawnee, and Sioux at the climactic battle at the end.

JEREMIAH JOHNSON was living in Crow territory. "Married" a Flat Head girl, and at one time a reference was made to Apache.

Perhaps RO was mistakenly thinking about the Indians in this film when he mistakenly referred to Crow in THE SEARCHERS.

But since he usually reads verbatim what has been written for him, the screw up is in the writers hands.

Still, you'd think that RO would have recognized the gaff and corrected himself, inspite of what was written.  

 

I know wraparound inaccuracies ocurr from time to time, but on a film shown as often as THE SEARCHERS, I'd think that no one would write or say such blatant error.

 

Anyway. The first three films tonight are an excellent Line-up of classic, mostly accurate depictions of native Americans on film. And no matter how many times I've seen these films, if they're on, I'm drawn to watch them.

 

Now gotta go back watch'n THE SEARCHERS, perhaps Wayne's greatest western (IMHO), at least it ranks right up there. :)

 

Edit: RO corrected himself in the actual intro to THE SEARCHERS, referring to Natalie being kidnapped by Comanche, not Crow.

 

At the end of LITTLE BIG MAN tonite, in Robert Osborne's wraparound he said:

"Up next another western, this time John Wayne stars as a man hell bent to rescue his niece whose been kidnapped by Crow Indians." 

The movie he was introducing was THE SEARCHERS.

In that movie Natalie Wood is kidnapped by Comanches, or more acurately Kiowa-Comanches.

Though John Ford used his beloved Monument Valley for most of the location shooting, in the movie they were "Texacans" and their ranch was in Texas, probably the panhandle area near the Red River, an area that was dominated by Comanches and Kiowa in the mid-late 1800's.

Several times in the movie Chief Scar is referred to as a member of the "Nyaki Comanches."

Anyone who has seen this movie more than once should remember this. And Robert has introduced this film how many times???

 

Historically, I can't think of what Comanche subtribe they were actually refering to as there was no native written language, just pictographs, and phoenetic spelling can vary drastically, but probably it was the Nawyehkah (which loosely means ‘Not Staying in one place’ or 'Wanderers').

 

If they recorded this intro the same time as the two other classic westerns this evening maybe Robert was a little confused.  

LITTLE BIG MAN primarily involved Cheyenne, Pawnee, and Sioux at the climactic battle at the end.

JEREMIAH JOHNSON was living in Crow territory. "Married" a Flat Head girl, and at one time a reference was made to Apache.

Perhaps RO was mistakenly thinking about the Indians in this film when he mistakenly referred to Crow in THE SEARCHERS.

But since he usually reads verbatim what has been written for him, the screw up is in the writers hands.

Still, you'd think that RO would have recognized the gaff and corrected himself, inspite of what was written.  

 

I know wraparound inaccuracies ocurr from time to time, but on a film shown as often as THE SEARCHERS, I'd think that no one would write or say such blatant error.

 

Anyway. The first three films tonight are an excellent Line-up of classic, mostly accurate depictions of native Americans on film. And no matter how many times I've seen these films, if they're on, I'm drawn to watch them.

 

Now gotta go back watch'n THE SEARCHERS, perhaps Wayne's greatest western (IMHO), at least it ranks right up there. :)

 

Edit: RO corrected himself in the actual intro to THE SEARCHERS, referring to Natalie being kidnapped by Comanche, not Crow.

Them redskins all look the same to him.....Somehow, a blooper doesn't sound as bad as a boo-boo.

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What's the big deal? It was just a minor mistake. for crying out loud. I assume that Robert Osborne still records the whole month's worth in a couple of days. That can be a couple of hundred intros and closes and a lot of work for a person even  half his age. If so, then maybe you should cut him a little slack if he missed an error that somebody else  put in the teleprompter.

 

While I agree it isn't a big deal,  when one is specific one should be correct.   I have seen the film many times but if asked what tribe the Indians were from I wouldn't answer since that trivia isn't something that I would be sure about.

 

But I do agree with others here that the odds are high the fault isn't with the hosts like RO and Ben but instead the staff that feed them these bits of trivia.

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While I agree it isn't a big deal,  when one is specific one should be correct.   I have seen the film many times but if asked what tribe the Indians were from I wouldn't answer since that trivia isn't something that I would be sure about.

 

But I do agree with others here that the odds are high the fault isn't with the hosts like RO and Ben but instead the staff that feed them these bits of trivia.

Do RO or Ben EVER catch any of these mistakes?

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Them redskins all look the same to him.....Somehow, a blooper doesn't sound as bad as a boo-boo.

 

:lol:  Are you KIDDING? At least you can KISS a "boo-boo" and make it better!  :P

 

But to also address MRROBERTS......

 

It would be nice if there were TWO things at play here:

 

1.  A link on the TCM site where viewers can post their complaints about these type of "bloopers" and/or point out just WHAT mistake or misstatement was made. and...

 

2. Either a weekly feature on the channel, or on the website that's like those little boxes in newspapers that print their mistakes, and also provide a correction.

 

 

Sepiatone

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:lol:  Are you KIDDING? At least you can KISS a "boo-boo" and make it better!  :P

 

But to also address MRROBERTS......

 

It would be nice if there were TWO things at play here:

 

1.  A link on the TCM site where viewers can post their complaints about these type of "bloopers" and/or point out just WHAT mistake or misstatement was made. and...

 

2. Either a weekly feature on the channel, or on the website that's like those little boxes in newspapers that print their mistakes, and also provide a correction.

 

 

Sepiatone

Newspapers no longer provide corrections as readily as they used to. Today, mistake? no problem.

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