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I can't believe how shorthanded TCM left us with Christmas movies! Honestly, I'm appauled.

 

TCM advertised that Christmas movies would "flow" from the 22nd, on ... and I expected to see many old favorites, including some I've probably forgotten about -- after all, this is TCM, right?

 

But, TCM hardly showed a handful! And worse than that, they aren't showing some that are practically mandatory -- like It's A Wonderful Life and The Bishops Wife.

 

Not showing It's A wonderful Life, even ONE time??? What's wrong?

 

How can TCM possibly explain this kind of lack???

 

I'm terribly Disappointed.

 

Alan Horvath

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I much prefer that "handful" you refer to--those films are better than most other movies other stations are showing this year. TCM has also saved the best for last, and showing Meet Me in St Louis at midnight Christmas Eve. The Bishop's Wife is showing January 6, so perhaps you can see it then.

 

I believe NBC has the TV rights for It's a Wonderful Life, and since they're showing it on the same weekend as the 22nd-24th, I don't believe TCM could show it. TCM showed Holidy Inn a few years ago, but AMC is touting it as their "Movie of the Month" even though they've only shown it once or twice at the beginning of December. If TCM shows these two next year (and it would be much better on TCM with no commercials or cutting to fit into a time frame), I'll be very grateful.

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Thanks for your replies.

 

But, just because another channel is showing a particular movie, I don't think TCM should avoid showing it ... after all, any other channel destroys the experience with at least seven minutes of commercials every ten to fifteen minutes and what kind of competition is that? None at all, if you ask me.

 

Are you saying only NBC has the rights to It's A Wonderful Life? That's shocking to me ... I'm a song writer, so I'm familiar with something called Public Domain - and I don't know about movies, but songs that old become Public Domain and anyone has rights to perform them.

 

I'm happy to know that TCM is showing The Bishops Wife on Jan. 6 -- that is such a cool flick! And I sure enjoyed watching Holiday Affair yesterday, with Robert Mitchum ... gosh -- what a wonderful story. And Little Women ... truly a *great* movie!

 

Nonetheless, I still think there should have been more of the holiday themes, especially on the 24th and 25th than are being aired.

 

Alan

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"It's a Wonderful Life" is no longer in public domain. NBC has a multi-year contract to run the film so, in essence, they have the "rights" to air it.. No one else can run it. If you google the title and public domain you can probably find out how the film lost its public domain status.

 

I vaguely remember it having to do with new music or something like that.

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When it comes to movies, anything made before 1923 is in the public domain. Nothing else will start to enter the PD until after 2019 (provided Disney and others do not get the date extended again).

 

It's A Wonderful Life is one of those borderline cases. The film's copyright had expired and that is how it reached it's popularity it has today, however, when home video came around, Republic Pictures who originally owned the film realized the money that could be made. They made the claim in court that although the copyright on the actual film had expired, other pieces of the film - score, story, etc... were still copyrighted. Now, they do own the copyright and ONLY NBC has the rights for it to be shown on television in the United States.

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Thanks again.

 

I found this:

In 1993, Republic Pictures relied on the 1990 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Stewart v. Abend (which involved the movie Rear Window) to enforce its claim of copyright, because, while the film's copyright had not been renewed, it was a derivative work of various works that were still copyrighted. As a result, the film is no longer shown as much on television (NBC is currently licensed to show the film on U.S. network television), the colorized versions have been withdrawn, and Republic now has exclusive video rights to the film (under license with Artisan Entertainment).

 

Humbug!

:o)

I guess this will be a good time, and a good reason, to purchase a DVD copy.

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I was fairly disappointed with TCM's Christmas movies as well. They repeated many that they show throughout the year anyway ( i.e. The Shop Around the Corner, Meet Me In St. Louis and Little Women). Those are all great films, but at Christmas I like to see films that you don't see during the year. For example, I would love to see "The Christmas Wish" starring Jimmy Durante. I know that it's available on vhs and dvd, but I would still like to see it on TCM. I've also requested year after year for TCM to show the great Holiday film "Remember the Night" starring Fred MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck (which is out of print at the moment) but they never show it. I believe that it is a Paramount film which AMC used to own, but I thought TCM was slowly accumulating most of AMC's Paramount and Universal library (I know they've been showing Abbott and Costello from the Universal library and Dean and Jerry from the Paramount). I wonder why these two great films can't and won't be shown at Christmas?

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Sallie,

 

TCM does not own the Paramount Library. Some of the Paramount library is owned by Universal/NBC and some of the library is still owned by Paramount.

 

For TCM to run these films, they have to rent them from the studio that owns them.

 

Paramount is notorious for not knowing what is in their library and for being very far behind the other studios in terms of restorations and preservation and that could be a factor.

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I also was disappointed with the quantity of Christmas films. I like Miracle on 34th Street, Holiday Inn, and I saw The Bishop's Wife for the first time last Christmas, and it was also a fine film. Too bad they're waiting until January. TCM doesn't seem to be interested in planning thematic programming during the holidays. The Christmas season is so short, and I'm disappointed that TCM has had virtually no Christmas spirit this year. Apparently the programming department was fed up with Christmas and didn't want to take the time to search for all the great movies we've been pineing for all year long.

 

I agree with Alan that A Holiday Affair was delightful. I hope that one becomes an annual tradition.

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I watched The Christmas Wish on PBS yesterday.

 

I agree that airing The Bishop's Wife on January 6th is more than inappropriate and terribly curious (if not annoying) when you consider all the non-holiday movies that TCM aired in the past 4-5 days. This movie is chock full of Christmas spirit! Why on earth would you air it after the holidays?? Seems to me TCM could use a more thoughtful programmer, indeed!

 

There are enough holiday themes that I expected TCM to be making my days full of cheer from Thanksgiving week through New Year's day -- not just from the 22nd of December through the 25th! That surprised and disappointed me also, as did no airing of Miracle on 34th Street!

 

I wonder ... do any TCM programmers pay attention to this board?

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I really missed Miracle on 34th Street, as well. I did record The Bishop's Wife off an Encore channel so didn't miss it. I enjoyed A Christmas Carol, but really wish TCM could obtain the Alastair Sim version some Christmas. I think they did fairly well with their assortment of Christmas movies but what has always choked me is that they leave a lot of their schedules the same as the previous year's schedule. I've noticed that heavily in January. It would be nice if some thought - and our suggestions - went into the planning. Although, I gotta tell you, I hate to criticize TCM.

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Many of the holiday films such as Miracle on 34th Street, Holiday Inn, etc are not owned by TCM.

 

I believe that Holiday Inn was on AMC this year which would make it next to impossible for TCM to be able to rent it and run it. Miracle on 34th Street is 20th Century Fox which means if it was going to be aired on cable, it would probably be on the Fox Movie Channel.

 

There are many factors that go into being able to rent movies from other studio's libraries. And the studio always has the right to say no. Perhaps the film is under restoration, slated for restoration or being held back to coincide with an upcoming DVD release, etc.

 

It may not be that TCM didn't try, they may have not had any luck.

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I gave up and ordered One Magic Christmas online, a used...ewwww...copy no less, since I assume it's out of print. In VHS, anyway, since I refuse to buy a DVD player.

 

Fuggedabout about any station showing it anymore. The fact that office politics permeates even Christmas movies makes me sick.

 

I'm sorry I didn't tape a very interesting version of A Christmas Carol with the guy from The Eastenders last year when it was shown on PBS. I'm sure it will never again be shown, if it can be sold as a DVD.

 

Show me the money.

 

Happy Curmudgeonly New Year to us, one and all.

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I hate to criticize TCM, too ... after all, they are the only ones who give me my old-time favorites and commercial free! I guess I expect more from them because of it, too.

 

There's another Christmas movie I miss and haven't seen in a while ... I'm not sure of the title, but Edward Asner stars in it ... the musical score is simply brilliant and VERY Christmas-spirited! Asner finds out he only has a short time to live ... tells his estranged wife ... wifey secretly rounds up all the kids ... wonderfully positive ending; a greatly underated movie.

 

The only good thing about missing a movie or two each year is that it makes them all the more enjoyable when you do catch them.

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The Gathering (1977). It's a TV movie, not likely to run on TCM.

 

Am I the only one here who gets Lifetime Movies? Lifetime and LMN carry enough Xmas movies during the season to give Rudolf an OD of sentimentality and good feelings. None of the channels on my cable seem to carry the ones that Garfield the cat is always watching: [fill in the name], the [unlikely occupation] who saved Christmas.

 

Nobody has mentioned my own personal favorite Xmas movie, The Passion of Carol (1975). OK, it's a porno, but a pretty inventive reworking of Dickens all the same. Gives a whole new angle to the concept of Marley's Ghost.

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There is a tad bit of difference between TCM and Lifetime. TCM runs theatrical movies, not made for tv movies. I enjoy a certain amount of "made for tv" Christmas fluff, but only so much.

 

About the Paramount and Universal library- how does TCM show the Universal pictures like "The Major and the Minor", "Double Indemnity" and others- is TCM renting all of those pictures? It just seemed like recently they were showing alot of Universal and Paramount pictures which made me assume that they were finally getting the rights to some good films. I'm surprised that Paramount can be so behind on their films. They have so many good ones, it's a shame that they don't get their act together and release some of these on dvd if they aren't going to show them on tv. They could make some money!

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What I missed not seeing this year, was the collection of Christmas silent movies they usually show every year. The Sunday before Christmas they showed The Kid and then on Christmas night they skipped the silent feature altogether. I like the movies they showed that night, but I think the In-laws theme was ill timed and irrelevant. They could have shown more Christmas movies.

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Sallie,

 

If TCM wants to show a film that is not the Turner library then yes, they have to rent it.

 

They probably have a yearly budget for renting films and probably try to spread that money as far as they can.

 

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