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How the Republican Party Descended into Insanity and Chaos


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They are a colorful bunch. This is why there are so many GOP debates. They bring in five times the viewership than the too-cerebral Democratic ones.

 

I do enjoy The Trumpster even though I won't vote for him. I am starting to think he has most of the brains in this group. Well... aside from maybe Pataki and Graham,  "moderates" who might have succeeded as "good" candidates had the public knew who they were.

 

Humorously, I think Trump also has the "hots" for Hillary Clinton since he rarely criticizes her... just his fellow GOP-ers.

Doctor Carson only wants to sell books. I doubt he even wants to be president. The otherwise "lily white" GOP needed "representation" and Colin Powell is way too liberal for their tastes.

Likewise, Carly is simply The GOP Woman "alternative" to Hillary. Never mind the fact that she made out like a bandit with HP. Like the Bushes, she is all about money! Money! Money!

 

It was... kinda mean... for Trump to insinuate that the Royal Gee-Oh-Pee Familee had connections with the Third Reich. The truth was that grandpa Prescott Bush simply made lots of money in Germany until the feds reminded him that they were at war in 1942. Hey, he didn't know any better. Just like Sonny boy Georgie deciding to pick Dan Quayle over Trump as his VP running mate in 1988... and grandsons Georgie the second and Jeb thinking they were "keeping America safe".

 

Marco, whom Bush helped in his career a little, is just your average back-stabbing-getting-ahead opportunist.

 

Oh Rand Paul, Mister "Tea Party Goes To Washington". He is another out to sell books and topple Carson off the best seller lists.

 

According to an article in Wall Street Journal... or somewhere... I can't remember, it was mentioned that the Tea Party has done more damage to the GOP than anything else. Initially these members were just anti-Obama and Obamacare... and his "socialist" policies. Only gradually did the Tea Party get infiltrated by The Dark Side that is also anti-gay, anti-non-Christian and suspicious of "others". In Florida, there is a radical extremist group that calls its self "The Tea Party", but isn't affiliated with the real one... at least we think not. :huh:

 

Speaking of the Dark Side...

 

I cannot leave out the Bobbsey Triplets!!!! I absolutely WUV these guys!!!! Mikey Huckaboo, Bobby Gin-dell and Teddy Cruizer. All make my heart go pitter-pat with their homophobic "religious freedom" talk. They all spent a relaxing weekend with this wholesome and spiritually enriching pastor... and I wonder if they will join him smelling like cow poo-poo.

 

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The only American minds they've poisoned, Dark, are the ones soft enough to let that tripe soak in.

 

And I somewhat disagree.  NOT with the conclusion, but that the thread title seems to hint that the republican party descending into insanity is something RECENT, and not something noticed by many for decades now.

 

And to address the republican notion of "religious freedom":

 

They all try to make it sound as if the democrats wish to put an end to it.  citing(some, as I've heard) the first amendment's guarantee of the right to practice the religion of choice, while totally forgetting that the first amendment doesn't  make it  mandatory .  And that indeed, it sort of also guarantees a freedom FROM religion.

 

Of course, as was always the case, neither party is exempt from their own trepidations, yet I have to quote(again!) the wise old sage OSCAR LEVANT, who said, "The difference between democrats and republicans is that the democrats feel  the POOR should be allowed to be corrupt, too!"

 

Yeah, well, a fault of most democrats has long been thinking throwing money at a problem will solve it.

 

While republicans feel throwing money at the WEALTHY will solve that problem.

 

TEA PARTY?

 

Yeah, my KIDS, when they were little, had PLENTY of them.

 

I don't notice that much difference in the POLITICAL Tea Party.  Bunch of little kids sitting around, drinking from empty cups and pretending there's something IN them.  And, as did my, and other people's kids, whining when they don't get their way.

 

 

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It was especially fascinating to see a candidate, when questions were raised, try to persuade people that he did indeed physically attack his mothers and others as a teen.  

 

Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley, Nelson Rockefeller, et al, must be turning over in their graves.

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And to address the republican notion of "religious freedom":

 

They all try to make it sound as if the democrats wish to put an end to it.  citing(some, as I've heard) the first amendment's guarantee of the right to practice the religion of choice, while totally forgetting that the first amendment doesn't  make it  mandatory .  And that indeed, it sort of also guarantees a freedom FROM religion.

 

 

Cruz and Carson are pretty "mellow' in their personalities (for now at least), but Huckabee has been driving his choo-choo off the rails lately. It is clear in both his body language and careful word selections in the many interviews I have seen (since he is a fascinating creature I enjoy observing) that "religious freedom" isn't rrreeeeaaaallllllyyy the issue. He simply hates gay men, simple as that. Not sure how he feels about lesbians. (He seemed somewhat "understanding" of one he interviewed years ago on his Fox TV show.) Obviously SOMETHING happened in his past to make him this way. If a Jewish operated McDonalds refused to serve him his baconator sandwich, he would not have the kind of hissy fits he has over anything with the words "same sex". Of course the moment Kim Davis got attention, he zoomed to her side.

 

I am sorry to make comparisons like this, but his speeches... and those of his beloved pastor Kevin Swanson... remind me a little too much of you-know-who's speeches about the Jews damaging Mother Germany way back when. No, I am not suggesting he would do any harm to somebody else, but you can see the rage seething in his voice when he speaks. Passion is spelled with a capital "P".

 

Again... SOMETHING happened in his past that we don't know about.

 

Ben Carson is one I tend to forgive easily because half of what he says he doesn't really mean... or so it appears. He was a struggling kid who made a success of himself, much like Senator Joe McCarthy long ago and probably isn't very good at OBJECTIVE thinking. He was skilled as a surgeon of course, since that was specialty (i.e. concentration on one subject) work.

 

Ted Cruz' father is affiliated with a religious/racist hate group (per the Southern Poverty Law Center) and he is simply an example of "the apple that doesn't fall far from the tree". So much of what he preaches is what he was raised with. Not surprised he attended Swanson's shindig.

 

I don't have a good read on Jindel and why he is also so homophobic. Again, not all "devoutly" religious people think like these politicians. They all have a serious issue with "alternative lifestyles" which may be rooted in their past experiences. Except I think Cruz just thinks like Pop. In this interview, he acts like he is completely unaware of pastor Swanson's state of rage in his sermons.

 

 

 

Of course, as was always the case, neither party is exempt from their own trepidations, yet I have to quote(again!) the wise old sage OSCAR LEVANT, who said, "The difference between democrats and republicans is that the democrats feel  the POOR should be allowed to be corrupt, too!"

 

Yeah, well, a fault of most democrats has long been thinking throwing money at a problem will solve it.

 

While republicans feel throwing money at the WEALTHY will solve that problem.

 

 

Another I've heard for many years...

 

Definition of a "conservative" = a former "liberal" who has been robbed by one of those he used to feel sorry for.

 

The only American minds they've poisoned, Dark, are the ones soft enough to let that tripe soak in.

 

And I somewhat disagree.  NOT with the conclusion, but that the thread title seems to hint that the republican party descending into insanity is something RECENT, and not something noticed by many for decades now.

 

 

I mentioned McCarthy earlier... that period in the early fifties was interesting. Democrat Truman left office with the lowest approval ratings of any post-FDR president because the Republicans thought he was way too soft on The Commies. Dumping Douglas MacCarthur in 1951 was a big no-no in their eyes.

 

In the olden days, the GOP was reluctant to enter World War II, so "liberal" FDR had to do the "lend lease" thing with Britain prior to Pearl Harbor. Then they later morphed into the "hawk" party who thought Truman was too "soft" in Korea and made sure Kennedy and LBJ battled North Vietnam Commies... and Nixon won by default in the messed up election of '68 to keep the Vietnam War going even longer.

 

They also used to be the Big Business party, but you can't argue that now with how much Hillary has tied up in Wall Street. Mostly it is the KIND of businesses that support the GOP today that differ from those that support the Democrats, not how much is spent. Those that the GOP get are often the ones who object to all of the "climate change" talk since they are contributing to the "climate change" themselves and making oodles of money in the process.

 

Intriguingly, most politicians who supported Roe vs. Wade in 1973 were Republicans. Not now, of course.

 

One of the colossal jokes about Ronald Reagan is that he rarely attended church, but so many conservative Christians voted for him.

 

Not sure exactly "when" the GOP started leaning to The Right on social issues as well as economic ones. Yet I do see a parallel between the Republicans today and the Democrats of the 1960s. Half of the Democrats pushed for equal rights for "colored people", but the "Dixiecrats" who traditionally made The South vote Democrat were furious with LBJ and Hubert Humphrey and supported George Wallace as a third party instead in 1968. Two straws that broke the camel's back were the June 1967 legalization of interracial marriage nationwide (something the bible was often dusted off to preach against) and the race riots that followed Martin Luther King's assassination the following April. Humphrey would have won, post Robert Kennedy assassination, in a landslide had George Wallace not run. The fact that there was chaos at the Democratic Convention in Chicago did not help (anymore than the recent chaos in GOP debates and the House that reluctantly picked Paul Ryan), but racial issues rather than youthful protests to Vietnam are what REALLY drove the election that year.

 

Likewise, when gay marriage was legalized THIS June, at least half of the GOP (also Trump who entered the race the same month) supported it, but a passionate group which I mention above were quite upset about it... so much so that they are ignoring a lot of other issues.

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Oh darn it! I was picking on the little guy and now this happens! Why am I so mean?

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/fourth-gop-republican-primary-debate#.vwMdQvAwvd

 

"New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee were bumped to Tuesday night’s “undercard” debate. BuzzFeed News’s McKay Coppins is reporting from the debate in Milwaukee."

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what exactly may I ask is insane or chaotic about a willingness on the part of many in the republican party to adhere to mid-20th century american judeo-christian mores???

 

why are so many younger demographic voters overwhelmingly liberal in their views?

 

answer...

 

because over the past 40 or 50 years liberal public educators made a mockery of the trust millions of american parents gave them and purposely and imo maliciously (due to vehement anti-vietnam war fervor) used the public school classroom as a venue in which to attack America's traditional judeo-christian moral underpinnings.

 

nothing honorable or forthright about that. in fact, it is a betrayal.

 

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That reminds me of a joke that William F. Buckley often told of arriving in a plane with only one wing... "the right one, of course".

 

So nice of you, NipkowDisc, to arrive and prevent us all from leaning the happy forum thread pendulum too far to the left. Will you help me? I am a right-handed leftie with a seriously leftie slanted mind.

 

Oh yes... the Judeo-Christian Society... where have I heard that before?

 

 

 

Yup! The New Testament insists that Starbucks put reindeer on their cups!

 

Expect Starbucks to have a VERY Merry Christmas this season, making oodles of money with all of the customers PURCHASING coffee just so they can show off their trademark "Merry Christmas" written all over their cups!

 

Oh... why not hear HIS opinion too? I wonder if Starbucks will also be an "issue" on tonight's debate just as Kim Davis was on the last month's CNN one. (MNBC had the best debate of all since the "issues" were all about EACH OTHER as the politicians all squabbled.)

 

 

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Immoral underpinnings is more like it.

 

Your repressive, racist, sexist,  brutalizing, intolerant era may finally be coming to its end, Right-Winger. Eat that.

 

Immoral underpinnings is more like it.

 

Your repressive, racist, sexist,  brutalizing, intolerant era may finally be coming to its end, Right-Winger. Eat that.

if by that you mean america has not always lived up to the standards it has professed and fought for. of course!

 

but our human sinful failures in no way lnvalidate those bible-based principles, in fact if anything, our failures are a stronger argument as to just how much we need them.

rampant immorality and it's popular culture condonement of such in the end will only lead to an incredible social level of moral chaos and confusion.

 

such self-destructive predilections should be avoided by reminding ourselves of what decades ago we knew to be morally sane and rational.

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if by that you mean america has not always lived up to the standards it has professed and fought for. of course!

 

but our human sinful failures in no way lnvalidate those bible-based principles, in fact if anything, our failures are a stronger argument as to just how much we need them.

rampant immorality and it's popular culture condonement of such in the end will only lead to an incredible social level of moral chaos and confusion.

 

such self-destructive predilections should be avoided by reminding ourselves of what decades ago we knew to be morally sane and rational.

I suspect such a moral re-awakening will not occur but rational thinkers like myself will refuse to blind ourselves to longstanding moral truths simply because they are no longer in vogue. :D

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Whatever your "human sinful" obsessions are, you should take them to church and discuss them with whatever other judgemental hypocrites one can often find there.

 

Most of us out here don't want to persecute others for just living their lives and not hurting other beings. Your witch-burning days are done, Pilgrim.

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Whatever your "human sinful" obsessions are, you should take them to church and discuss them with whatever other judgemental hypocrites one can often find there.

 

Most of us out here don't want to persecute others for just living their lives and not hurting other beings. Your witch-burning days are done, Pilgrim.

I am totally for letting sinners sin unrestricted and unincumbered.

 

you can't reap the whirlwind without sowing the storm. :D

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Whatever your "human sinful" obsessions are, you should take them to church and discuss them with whatever other judgemental hypocrites one can often find there.

 

Most of us out here don't want to persecute others for just living their lives and not hurting other beings. Your witch-burning days are done, Pilgrim.

witch-burning and the spanish inquisition were extremes. believing that all aspects of human behavior should be uninhibited is also an extreme. :)

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That reminds me of a joke that William F. Buckley often told of arriving in a plane with only one wing... "the right one, of course".

 

So nice of you, NipkowDisc, to arrive and prevent us all from leaning the happy forum thread pendulum too far to the left. Will you help me? I am a right-handed leftie with a seriously leftie slanted mind.

 

Oh yes... the Judeo-Christian Society... where have I heard that before?

 

 

 

Yup! The New Testament insists that Starbucks put reindeer on their cups!

 

Expect Starbucks to have a VERY Merry Christmas this season, making oodles of money with all of the customers PURCHASING coffee just so they can show off their trademark "Merry Christmas" written all over their cups!

 

Oh... why not hear HIS opinion too? I wonder if Starbucks will also be an "issue" on tonight's debate just as Kim Davis was on the last month's CNN one. (MNBC had the best debate of all since the "issues" were all about EACH OTHER as the politicians all squabbled.)

 

 

Jlewis, I must tell you that I doan personally adhere to many xmas traditions like xmas or easter.

 

as societal traditions, yes, but certainly not in any religious sense.

 

jesus never told anyone to commemorate his birthday.

 

but I'm not going to get up on a soapbox and lambaste holiday funsters for their holiday traditions and observances. that's too intolerant. :D

 

 

trump is right. starbucks should put santa or the grinch in his santa costume on their cups just to show they ain't prejudiced against xmas. :)

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Jlewis, I must tell you that I doan personally adhere to many xmas traditions like xmas or easter.

 

as societal traditions, yes, but certainly not in any religious sense.

 

jesus never told anyone to commemorate his birthday.

 

but I'm not going to get up on a soapbox and lambaste holiday funsters for their holiday traditions and observances. that's too intolerant. :D

 

 

trump is right. starbucks should put santa or the grinch in his santa costume on their cups just to show they ain't prejudiced against xmas. :)

and besides, starbucks puts bugs in their coffee. :o

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NipkowDisc... I know, from your previous posts, that you are not cut from the same cloth as that Mister "Angry At Starbucks". Yet I knew you would find him amusing.

I hope they bring it up tonite and getta good one going between the gop and starbucks. :lol:

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What is "moral" anyway? Certainly NOT what Kevin Swanson preaches to the three GOP politicians who applaud him. He stated that the US government should have gays be killed for their sins, per Leviticus (which many historians believe focused more on men forcing themselves on other men against their will rather than the modern day "consenting adults" scenario... not that the latter was necessarily accepted either by the ancient Hebrews, but "them were different times"). Well... I guess Swanson also feels that women are also supposed to be stoned when committing adultery (until stopped by somebody in the New Testament), as well as children who "curse" (depending on the meaning) their parents. Men with multiple wives and multiple sex partners (as long as they are women) are OK. R-a-p-e is OK as long as it is heterosexual and the female victims accept their attackers as their husbands. (Sometimes the man must pay her father fifty pieces of silver though. Women are property, which is why "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" is strategically kept close to his "goods" so readers know they are equally important.) Slavery is supported in both Old and New Testaments, which is why the Confederate Army fought a bloody Civil War over it. That doesn't mean all of this should be allowed in this Jew-Day-O-Kristun country (as Mr. Anti-Starbucks in that video calls it).

 

I think everybody here knows this, though. Maybe not Mister Anti-Starbucks, but he is in another galaxy far far away.

 

NOBODY is a "fundamentalist" on account of all of the contradictions in both the OLD books and the faiths that utilize them. Members of the Westboro "Baptist" (not really) Church argued that OTHER Christians "pick and choose" their morals from the ancient texts (these being translated and mistranslated in multiple languages... and revised... and revised again... until the 1450s when everything was "fixed" with printing pressed copies, but many Christian Europeans in THAT century STILL believed that the Earth was flat "with angels residing in all four corners"), but THE WESTBORO CHURCH MEMBERS do the exact same thing!! Needless-to-say, the "God hates fags" T-shirts they make their five-year olds adorn were not exactly part of Jesus' wardrobe.

 

Now... what makes the Right Wing of the GOP a total laugh riot is that they will attack anybody THEY consider "immoral" but do whatever they damn well please behind closed doors. Remember Newt Gingrich cheating on his wife while attacking Billy Clinton's Monica "situation" along with Ken Starr?

 

I heard that last night's debate was a snoozefest. I think everybody, including demoted Hucklebeee, remembered to take their medication. My guess is that Fox News skipped any mention of the Visit With Swanson so that their continuing coverage of that party was "fair and balanced", not live eeeevil in-love-with-Hillary CNN and CNBC.

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