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14 Years Since 9/11


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Fourteen years later and do you even believe it? Did we actually live it? Are we still living it? And how improbable is that? Fourteen years of wars, interventions, assassinations, torture, kidnappings, black sites, the growth of the American national security state to monumental proportions, and the spread of Islamic extremism across much of the Greater Middle East and Africa. Fourteen years of astronomical expense, bombing campaigns galore, and a military-first foreign policy of repeated defeats, disappointments, and disasters. Fourteen years of a culture of fear in America, of endless alarms and warnings, as well as dire predictions of terrorist attacks. Fourteen years of the burial of American democracy (or rather its recreation as a billionaire’s playground and a source of spectacle and entertainment but not governance). Fourteen years of the spread of secrecy, the classification of every document in sight, the fierce prosecution of whistleblowers, and a faith-based urge to keep Americans “secure” by leaving them in the dark about what their government is doing. Fourteen years of the demobilization of the citizenry. Fourteen years of the rise of the warrior corporation, the transformation of war and intelligence gathering into profit-making activities, and the flocking of countless private contractors to the Pentagon, the NSA, the CIA, and too many other parts of the national security state to keep track of. Fourteen years of our wars coming home in the form of PTSD, the militarization of the police, and the spread of war-zone technology like drones and stingrays to the “homeland.” Fourteen years of that un-American word “homeland.” Fourteen years of the expansion of surveillance of every kind and of the development of a global surveillance system whose reach—from foreign leaders to tribal groups in the backlands of the planet—would have stunned those running the totalitarian states of the twentieth century. Fourteen years of the financial starvation of America’s infrastructure and still not a single mile of high-speed rail built anywhere in the country. Fourteen years in which to launch Afghan War 2.0, Iraq Wars 2.0 and 3.0, and Syria War 1.0. Fourteen years, that is, of the improbable made probable.

 

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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/mantra_for_9_11_fourteen_years_later_improbable_world_20150909

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Tom Englehardt writes:

 

Fourteen years later and do you even believe it? Did we actually live it? Are we still living it? And how improbable is that? Fourteen years of wars, interventions, assassinations, torture, kidnappings, black sites, the growth of the American national security state to monumental proportions, and the spread of Islamic extremism across much of the Greater Middle East and Africa. Fourteen years of astronomical expense, bombing campaigns galore, and a military-first foreign policy of repeated defeats, disappointments, and disasters. Fourteen years of a culture of fear in America, of endless alarms and warnings, as well as dire predictions of terrorist attacks. Fourteen years of the burial of American democracy (or rather its recreation as a billionaire’s playground and a source of spectacle and entertainment but not governance). Fourteen years of the spread of secrecy, the classification of every document in sight, the fierce prosecution of whistleblowers, and a faith-based urge to keep Americans “secure” by leaving them in the dark about what their government is doing. Fourteen years of the demobilization of the citizenry. Fourteen years of the rise of the warrior corporation, the transformation of war and intelligence gathering into profit-making activities, and the flocking of countless private contractors to the Pentagon, the NSA, the CIA, and too many other parts of the national security state to keep track of. Fourteen years of our wars coming home in the form of PTSD, the militarization of the police, and the spread of war-zone technology like drones and stingrays to the “homeland.” Fourteen years of that un-American word “homeland.” Fourteen years of the expansion of surveillance of every kind and of the development of a global surveillance system whose reach—from foreign leaders to tribal groups in the backlands of the planet—would have stunned those running the totalitarian states of the twentieth century. Fourteen years of the financial starvation of America’s infrastructure and still not a single mile of high-speed rail built anywhere in the country. Fourteen years in which to launch Afghan War 2.0, Iraq Wars 2.0 and 3.0, and Syria War 1.0. Fourteen years, that is, of the improbable made probable.

 

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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/mantra_for_9_11_fourteen_years_later_improbable_world_20150909

paris happened and no one in the u.s. has advocated decapitation of persons on fanatical religious grounds

 

do you believe unvetted refugees should be allowed on u.s. soil regardless of the potential risks??? :huh:

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It's astounding how much damage has been done by the Bush/Cheney administration. The world appears to be coming apart because of their ineptitude and utter corruption. The suffering of millions is on their hands, not to mention an ocean of blood.

 

Oh, well. As Buddha would probably say - all is as it should be.

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Yes, because bombing sites in Syria and Iraq will stop fanatics in France, Belgium, etc. from carrying out more attacks.

 

Or, just maybe, it will inspire more fanatics.

 

Unfortunately, the military will NEVER be able to stop lone wolves or small groups of coordinated whackjobs from carrying out terror attacks, anywhere, at any time. We have to treat the disease and stop wasting the blood of our troops on the symptoms. How we do that is the real question, and I'd like that addressed by the candidates on both sides.

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Whatta buncha BS.

 

Despite the chipping away at particular "freedoms" in the name of security, however misguided, Osama did NOT fully accomplish is goal.

 

HE thought destruction of the World Trade Center would bring about the COMPLETE COLLAPSE of the American economy, with global repurcussions.

 

Didn't happen.

 

But to a differing degree, what he managed to do was whip up our resolve to the point we'd make ourselves BLIND to the WHY of Muslim extremist grievances, and not try to address them in an effort to avoid future problems. 

 

Of course, ONE thing it accomplished was the deficit inflating personal vendetta against IRAQ from the puppet president at the time, needlessly waging a costly war against a "foe" who wasn't involved in the attack, and mostly worked to stoke the already smouldering embers of an extremist mind set who look for any excuse to do what they do.

 

Bin Laden's attack of the World Trade center was an exersize in futility.  Devoted Muslim and SO many innocent American lives wasted with no measuable gain garnered by it's perpetrators.

 

But to this day, I take solace in the fact that those who flew the planes died for NOTHNING.

 

Sepiatone

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9/11 thanks to Bill Clinton, and now Friday the 13th thanks to Barack Obama.

Clinton adminstration warned Bush about the threat, but Bush administration decided to ignore it.  9/11 happened eight months after Clinton left office.

Paris attack happened in France, not US.  Not much Obama could have done about it.  The Bush/Cheney war created ISIS and is responsible for current situation.

Incidentally, US did not have the situation under control in Iraq and Afghanistan when we had full forces there.  The opposition just stayed underground, recruited, trained and equipped for the day they could attack.

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Clinton adminstration warned Bush about the threat, but Bush administration decided to ignore it.  9/11 happened eight months after Clinton left office.

Paris attack happened in France, not US.  Not much Obama could have done about it.  The Bush/Cheney war created ISIS and is responsible for current situation.

Incidentally, US did not have the situation under control in Iraq and Afghanistan when we had full forces there.  The opposition just stayed underground, recruited, trained and equipped for the day they could attack.

 

Everybody knows Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden but didn't do it. He created 9/11. The 9/11 Commission Report found that Clinton decided against a strike in Afghanistan in late 1998 that could have taken out the Al Qaeda leader in Kandahar.

 

ISIS went into Syria only last year, Bush has been long gone and Obama did nothing to stop it. Now they are all over the area and doing terrorist attacks. Had Obama stayed the course in Iraq this never would have happened, now he wants to let terrorists posing as refugees into our Country too, it is insanity, lol.

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Everybody knows Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden but didn't do it. He created 9/11. The 9/11 Commission Report found that Clinton decided against a strike in Afghanistan in late 1998 that could have taken out the Al Qaeda leader in Kandahar.

 

 

Believing Bin Laden was at a certain location and that a covert mission could have taken him out are not facts.  The US has lauchened huge numbers of covert actions or "strikes" and missed the target.

Regardless, Bush didn't take him out either.

Also, a "strike" into Afghanistan during Clinton administration would have been a act of war against a "neutral" nation without provocation.  

The fact is Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz created the situation that created ISIS.  Not Clinton and not Obama.

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Believing Bin Laden was at a certain location and that a covert mission could have taken him out are not facts.  The US has lauchened huge numbers of covert actions or "strikes" and missed the target.

Regardless, Bush didn't take him out either.

Also, a "strike" into Afghanistan during Clinton administration would have been a act of war against a "neutral" nation without provocation.  

The fact is Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz created the situation that created ISIS.  Not Clinton and not Obama.

 

The Sudanese government offered Bin Laden to Clinton in 1996 and he turned them down, now he pretends like it never happened, lol. Does the year 1996 ring a bell? That is when Monica Lewinsky was an intern. He had other things on his mind than Bin Laden apparently.

 

Obama has been sitting on his hands while ISIS took over the Middle East, years after Bush left office. Sorry, but it is too late to blame Bush for that one. Nobody forced Obama to become President, he can't blame Bush for anything now.

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The Sudanese government offered Bin Laden to Clinton in 1996 and he turned them down, now he pretends like it never happened, lol. Does the year 1996 ring a bell? That is when Monica Lewinsky was an intern. He had other things on his mind than Bin Laden apparently.

 

Obama has been sitting on his hands while ISIS took over the Middle East, years after Bush left office. Sorry, but it is too late to blame Bush for that one. Nobody forced Obama to become President, he can't blame Bush for anything now.

He always had these other things on his mind, from the time he first met Hillary circa 1969 up through Lewinsky and afterwards.

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So everything that happened before Bush was President is his fault.

Everything that happened when Bush was President is his fault.

And everything that happened after Bush was President is his fault.

 

Clinton and Obama had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or ISIS, it was all Bush's fault.

 

The Hurricane was Bush's fault. The oil spill was Bush's fault too. More people on welfare is all Bush's fault. Gitmo is Bush's fault. The rich got richer, all Bush's fault. The Poor stayed poor, all Bush's fault. Bridges and roads crumbling is all Bush's fault.

 

Clinton and Obama did none of this.

 

So we are now suppose to elect another Clinton so we can have 4 more years of Bush's fault.

 

Lol.

 

Maybe we should elect a real President instead.

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So everything that happened before Bush was President is his fault.

Everything that happened when Bush was President is his fault.

And everything that happened after Bush was President is his fault.

 

Clinton and Obama had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or ISIS, it was all Bush's fault.

 

The Hurricane was Bush's fault. The oil spill was Bush's fault too. More people on welfare is all Bush's fault. Gitmo is Bush's fault. The rich got richer, all Bush's fault. The Poor stayed poor, all Bush's fault. Bridges and roads crumbling is all Bush's fault.

 

Clinton and Obama did none of this.

 

So we are now suppose to elect another Clinton so we can have 4 more years of Bush's fault.

 

Lol.

 

Maybe we should elect a real President instead.

yeah, like someone who actually believes in America....

 

like Hillary?....

 

she loved America so much that she let her husband send a motherless child back to cuba to reach young manhood and call castro 'uncle fidel'. :huh:

 

doan forget now, she's this extraordinary advocate for the rights of children. :huh:

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