MissGoddess Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Beautiful job, Angie, with that song and the video. It was very moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leobertucelli Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 to cgirl;... you for sharing my sentiments exactly. You must really be a thinking, depthful person. How refreshing from most of the other posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I'm glad y'all liked the slideshow . I'd been wanting to do that one for a while and I'm glad it turned out good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leobertucelli Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 to coogirl;... you for sharing my sentiments exactly. You must really be a thinking, depthful person. How refreshing from most of the other posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leobertucelli Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 to coogirl;... you for sharing my sentiments exactly. You must really be a thinking, depthful person. How refreshing from most of the other posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Such an amazing video, Angie (as always, dear sister )! Had me in tears at the end. **Sigh** It's such an amazing movie -- people all over the world should be forced to watch this movie -- and they'll come to find they love it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Kim, I fell in love with those wondrously romantic pictures of Gary taken in the garden with the girl---can you tell me what movie that is from? The actress looks a little like Fay Wray but it's hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 *WOW!!!!!* Those are some of the best pics I've ever seen!!! I'd set one as my desktop and then the next one would be so breathtaking I'd have to change it to that one - ha! I finally settled on one of the *Legion of the Condemned* pics where he's holding Fay. I think I need to go take a cold shower now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Yep, it's Fay Wray -- it's from "Legion of the Condemned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 It looks like all the pics with Fay and in the garden are from *Legion of the Condemned* (1928). Man I wish that one was still around. I think he dies in it though so that would be too sad to watch. How funny is it that even though I haven't seen that movie I knew that's what they were from? I think I need to go outside more often . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I thought it was kinda cool -- that little Gary ring-thingy is from his paramount dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 You and Angie are good. I would love to see this film, I had no idea it was so romantic. I have a thing for love scenes that take place in gardens---you know, a couple wandering into the garden from a gittering house party...."sigh". That is romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I saw that keychain on ebay. It's just a reproduction but it's still really neat. I didn't know there was a garden scene in *Legion*, I bet it was beautiful in the movie. I thought it was neat that he autographed a pic for Fay. You know she that hanging up in her Gary Cooper closet - ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I found some more pics and info about *Children of Divorce* from a Clara Bow website. Gary would have been 25 still when this one was filmed. http://www.clarabow.net/ *Children of Divorce*: Famous Players Lasky. Production: November 26, 1926-January 15, 1927 (location shooting in Del Monte and Pasadena), retakes: February 1927. Dist: Paramount Pictures April 2, 1927 (copyright: April 2, 1927; LP 23820). Silent b&w. 35mm. 7 reels, 6,662 or 6871 ft. Cast: Clara Bow (Kitty Flanders), Ester Ralston (Jean Waddington), Gary Cooper (Ted Larrabee), Einar Hanson (Prince Ludovico de Sfax), Norman Trevor (Duke de Gondreville), Hedda Hopper Katherine Flanders), Edward Martindel (Tom Larrabee), Julia Swayne Gordon (Princess de Sfax), tom Ricketts (The Secretary), Albert Gran (Mr. Seymour), Iris Stuart (Mousie), Margaret Campbell (Mother Superior), Percy Williams (Manning), Joyce Coad (Little Kitty), Yvonne Pelletier (Little Jean), Don Marion (Little Ted). I noticed this has characters called Little Kitty, Little Jean, and Little Ted. It must show them when they were kids at some point in the movie so I'm guessing all the three main characters knew each other their whole lives. The more I read about this movie the better it sounds. Dang it I wish someone would release it!!!!! In Children of Divorce, Victor Fleming (who Clara dated for a while) remembers Clara's "dying scene" to be the best one he ever saw. Children of Divorce was recently restored and presented publicly for the first time in over 70 years. This 1927 feature not only showcases Clara's natural abilities at comedy, and the "It" qualities that made her a star, but also reveal a darker and yet more brilliant side to her acting abilities. Director Frank Lloyd's original cut was reportedly very bad and the film was only released after the great Josef von Sternberg brought his German "new wave" techniques to re-shoot sequences of the film. His expert use of light and shadows, unusual camera angles and perspectives, and tight close-ups gave the film an in-depth psychological turn. This was unusual for filmgoers of the 1920's who were used to seeing frivolous flapper films and epic adventure yarns. Toward the end of the film Clara's character, socialite Nancy Worthington, a child of a broken home, is faced with a fatal decision. The only way for her to reunite her best friend with her true love (who happens to be Nancy's own husband, Gary Cooper), and to thereby guarantee their future happiness (apart from divorce), would be to take her own life. In a truly haunting scene Nancy grimly writes her suicide note, seals it with her own real tears, and as the boom camera rises, she is seen quietly walking through a series of doors-as if she is voluntarily going to her own execution. The ensuing death scene is gripping and startling. In it, Clara almost seems to be calling back the spirit of her dead mother as she screams in terror. You can sense that she will be going into death alone. She then dies in the arms of her childhood friend. SOCIETY MELODRAMA: Source: Owen Johnson, "Children of Divorce" (Boston: 1927). Jean Waddington, a childhood friend of Ted Larrabee, later falls in love with him. As he is, like her, the product of a broken home and the child of a dissolute and irresponsible father, Jean tells him he must prove himself before she will accept his marriage offer. Ted opens an office, but when their mutual friend, Kitty, gives a wild party in the building, he forgets business. Prince Ludovico de Sfax, in the charge of his guardian, the Duke de Gondreville, is attracted to Kitty, but the duke forbids his having an affair with her because of her poverty. One evening, on a drunken spree, Ted and Kitty get married, and, heartbroken, Jean goes to Europe. Later, Kitty and Ted arrive with their child and the prince's love is revived. Realizing that no bond of affection exists between her and Ted, Kitty takes poison, and Ted is reunited with Jean. *NOTE: Josef von Sternberg, at this time an assistant director at Paramount, is reputed to have directed some sequences of this film. (Information taken from "The American Film Institute Catalogue of Feature Films"). Wow, I didn't know that Gary and Clara's characters had a child. That just makes it even more sad. I bet this movie really did stand out when it was released b/c it sounds so different from most other films of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 *Children of Divorce* does sound outstanding. The plot sounds familiar, I wonder if I saw a remake of it from later in the 1930s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 The more I read about *Children of Divorce* the more it sounds like a good movie. I've read so much about how it was a bad movie and I know they did have problems filming it b/c Gary was very inexperienced and felt uncomfortable in the role and many scenes had to be reshot by Sternberg, but it sounds like a really good plot. It sounds like Clara did a very good job in a dramatic role. I would especially love to see it b/c it's got my two fave silent movie actors, Clara Bow and Esther Ralston and of course Gary :x . I finally got to see one of Esther's movies too this weekend. I got *Lonely Wives* which stars her and Edward Everett Horton (who's always funny). It was a precode 1931 bedroom farce and it was really funny. I'm still looking for some of her silents though which are much harder to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I'm so excited my heart is beating a mile a minute!!! I noticed this morning that the internet filter at work isn't blocking youtube anymore (yay!) so when I was at lunch I was surfing around and I found some cool stuff about Clara Bow. I was watching one of the videos which is from a documentary about her and a clip from *Children of Divorce* came up. Finally we can see Clara and Gary actually interacting together . They're not on screen together in the other movies they did so this was really cool to see them in the same shot at the same time. The clip starts just a couple minutes into the video. I gotta tell I'm actually still feeling a little swoony after watching it (I think I'm gonna go watch it again ). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaggi0NtrsA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Thanks for the great footage of Clara Bow and Gary. I watched both parts and it was good to finally hear her voice in some of the clips from her talking movies. For the life of me I don't know why the greatest silent star of all time never has any movies shown on her on silent tcm sunday. It is always those obsure silent foreign pictures and such with nobody's in the lead roles. I would like them to show Children of Divorce very soon or have somebody release it on dvd. I don't know if it is public domain or not but it must not be as if it were there would be 5-10 companies releasing their versions of the film. Clara Bow had a sad life at the end and died only 4 years after Gary did. It was a shame she lost most of her money gambling. Speaking of gambling, I am looking forward to getting the movie "Big Hand for the little Lady" with Henry Fonda. TCM showed it last week and it looks like it is coming out next week on dvd. It was a very good movie with a very big surprise ending. I'm also looking foward to all the Clark Gable movies that will be coming out on TCM through January with Strange Cargo and Red Dust being top on my list. From my initiual dislike of Jean Harlow in Red Headed woman, I am finding her quite a bit more to my liking in other movies like wife verse secretary and others. I am finding that she was a very good actress and superior to all other blond bombshells of the time or even now. Her acting ability was a great deal better in my view to the other one in the 50's and early 60's. Eventhough I did not like Jean's character in Red Headed woman, I can not deny that she was superb as an actress in the part. I would now rank her in with the elite actresses of all time well ahead of Katherine Hepburn and others who rank higher on the AFI list. She is still not as high as Bette Davis though and proabably about equal to Barbara Stanwick and Greer Garson. As everyone who has read my posts would know, I don't rank anyone on how they look but solely on their acting talent and Harlow's acting was up there with the elite. Clara Bow was by far the elite silent actress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I was absolutely thrilled to finally get to see Gary and Clara interact in a scene together. She's by far my fave silent movie actress. She was so natural and energetic and just fun to watch. It's clear why she was such a big star. She did have quite a sad life and was abused by her agent and nearly worked to death much like Gary, in their early years. Also like Gary they both died at the age of 60. *Children of Divorce* is still owned by Paramount. They own all their silents and post -1949 films while Universal owns practically all their other non-silent pre-'49 films. Clara was loaned out to many studios during her career so I'm not sure why TCM doesn't air more of her films. They will air *Wings* sometime in '08, I'm guessing during the Oscar month, so at least there's something. I made another Clara Bow slideshow yesterday and if I can ever get it to upload to youtube I'll post it here. I also uploaded a lot of pics and a video clip from *Wings* on Clara's page at the TCM database yesterday but it's not showing up yet. Hopefully it will soon though. If you do a youtube search you'll find several snippets from some of her talkies, even some with her singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 heehee! i was just looking for pics from Legion of the Condemned.....thats funny kim!! i looove them, talk about hiperventalating over pics of gary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm going to get a bunch of nasty replies on this other forum where I posted this: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=264066 They are talking about United Artists titles that should be re-released in 2008 for their anniversaries and the Big Country was mentioned. Why on earth should MGM re-release this title that is already out on R1 DVD when a superior film in every possible catagory Man of the West is also having a 50th anniversary for 2008 and is not even being mentioned despite the fact that it has never been released in Region 1 DVD format. I decided to post a wake up call to these people. I think that before a single MGM movie is even mentioned or considered that Man of the West should have already been mentioned. I get quite offended at people's ignorance to this. The Big Country pals in comparison to Man of the West in comparison. I am starting to wonder why Man of the west is not talked about more with classic movie fans at other places. Is it because it has Gary Cooper in it? I am affraid that if Man of the West is not released in 2008, we might not ever see it. It would seem that TCM at least thinks it is Anthony Mann's best western. I had no idea until I read this that Man of the West is one of the top ten westerns of ALL time. I would like to see that list to see if any other Mann westerns made that cut. I have watched just about every single Mann western that there is and Man of the West is by far the best one that I have seen. TCM's comments: "Anthony Mann's Man of the West (1958) ranks in the top ten Western films of all time and remains one of the unsung masterpieces of American filmmaking for a number of reasons; it represents an exceptional studio director at the peak of his storytelling skills, it blazed new trails in telling the story for the genre, it introduced and reinforced new ways in which to think about the evolving West, and the film presented to audiences perhaps the most complex idea of a Western hero ever seen. Man of the West presaged by four years two important movies in the genre * Lonely are the Brave (1962), a film which personifies, in overt detail, the end of the cowboy's mythical status as the super-heroic traveler through the uncharted west, and Two Rode Together (1961) by John Ford. The latter announced the beginning of a new storytelling grammar in the Western which would lead to Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch in 1969, signaling the end of the traditional form of the genre in American film. But Man of the West was instrumental, as so many of this director's westerns were, in creating a new path for the genre in which American audiences would now see the west: it was a place of uncompromising brutality, where flawed heroes were born only through a harsh, violent, and abnormal environment as the West slowly moved toward civilized society. It was Mann's psychological portrayal of the Western hero traversing this difficult terrain that contributes so powerfully to the innumerable qualities of Man of the West. As for Gary Cooper, who has starred in a few of the best Westerns ever made, it was an impressive return to the genre for a man in his fifties. He had not made a Western for five years before accepting Man of the West. Commenting after the premier of the film, Copper said "Most Westerns are just Easterners with men wearing big hats. They're cops' n-robbers stories. I turn down 99 out of 100 offered me..." Cooper had a keen eye for accepting Western roles that could make good use of his natural talent * the often delayed, pensive, Midwest charm which created instant sympathy with audiences. His Western roles were never the overly heroic, but the sensitively drawn and vulnerable characters who had clear kinks in their armor. In Man of the West, he made exceptional use of these skills to convincingly play a man with not only a dark past, but numerous shades of emotion - especially fear, shame, deception, tenderness, and violent rage." I think a petition should be created and go out to MGM to release this movie in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 More Love in the Afternoon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MissGoddess Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Here is a nice blow-up of a classic (from The Westerner): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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