JackFavell Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Jennythenipper! You are really great! I loved that article almost as much as I love The Westerner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Jenny, It is really exiting article! I enjoyed it greatly! And so much fun! your books must be very interesting read. And of course I feel some similiarities with Judge Bean with his obssesion of Lilly. How he had manage to get so many pics indeed. Do you really think that Gary may stole this horse? I think the movie proves otherwise. These can be found on e-bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Just found at e-bay this still from Texan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleHHH Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 One thing I noticed about Gary Cooper is that while a lot of other big name actors did Noir and Gangster films and roles he did not at least as far as I can tell, sort of an 'independent' Wreck of the Mary Deare wasnt bad, finally got to see it..To me he was in a lot of different type of film that the Bogarts,Robinson,Cagney.. I think the same of Cary Grant, not really seen in a lot of Gangster pics or a Noir from the era... The Coop had some really different roles from my observation, and believe me it is very limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Hi Triple HHH----Gary said several times he liked to play "the hero" because it's what his fans expected and I think he wasn't the only one of his generation to feel that way. Gable was the same, even Joel McRea and in the case of the first two it didn't hurt their popularity. However, when you get a chance to watch The Naked Edge you'll see where Gary might have gone, had he pursued more roles like that, and even Ten North Frederick is quite a challenge from his usual persona. Unfortunately, neither of these films is on dvd and so many don't get to see a "different" Gary Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 This is slightly Gary related so I?m posting it here. On July 16, singer Jo Stafford passed away at the age of 90. She?s one of my favorite singers (Theresa loves her too) and I used her song *Make Love to Me* (which went to number one on the US charts in ?54) in one of my Gary slideshows. She started singing in her teens with her two sisters and then ended up as a backup singer for Frank Sinatra when he was with Tommy Dorsey. Around 1944 she went solo. She married song arranger Paul Weston and had two kids. They were married in 1952 and remained together until his death in 1996. Her biggest hit was *You Belong to Me* in the early 50s which sold 2 million copies and also went to number one. She was a favorite of the soldiers during WWII and the Korean War and they nicknamed her ?G.I. Jo?. She and her husband won a Grammy in the early 60s for a comedy album they did where they pretended to be a bad lounge act from the South. I haven?t heard it but I bet it?s pretty funny. Jo was also a relative of Sergeant Alvin York through her mother Anna York and she was born while the war was still going on (November 12, 1917). She was also one of a very few singers who had perfect pitch where you can identify a note just by hearing it. She?s one of my favorite singers b/c she had a very smooth voice and it just seemed effortless. People who sing like that tend to be my faves (like Ella Fitzgerald, Elvis and Josh Groban). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 What interests me was something regular in printing the stills for the movie. Some of them even had a color set of stills. To they Came to Cordura both - color and black and white can be found. Of course black and white survive better. Today to my surprise I even found color still to Springfield Rifle listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I like that color pic from *Cordura*. Here are some more I just found on ebay. *Sgt. York* *Woo! I love this one!!* *Now and Forever* *Operator 13* *Now and Forever* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 *This is slightly Gary related so I?m posting it here. On July 16, singer Jo Stafford passed away at the age of 90. She?s one of my favorite singers (Theresa loves her too) and I used her song Make Love to Me (which went to number one on the US charts in ?54) in one of my Gary slideshows. She started singing in her teens with her two sisters and then ended up as a backup singer for Frank Sinatra when he was with Tommy Dorsey. Around 1944 she went solo. She married song arranger Paul Weston and had two kids. They were married in 1952 and remained together until his death in 1996. Her biggest hit was You Belong to Me in the early 50s which sold 2 million copies and also went to number one. She was a favorite of the soldiers during WWII and the Korean War and they nicknamed her ?G.I. Jo?. She and her husband won a Grammy in the early 60s for a comedy album they did where they pretended to be a bad lounge act from the South. I haven?t heard it but I bet it?s pretty funny. Jo was also a relative of Sergeant Alvin York through her mother Anna York and she was born while the war was still going on (November 12, 1917).* *She was also one of a very few singers who had perfect pitch where you can identify a note just by hearing it. She?s one of my favorite singers b/c she had a very smooth voice and it just seemed effortless. People who sing like that tend to be my faves (like Ella Fitzgerald, Elvis and Josh Groban).* i finally got on here ang! isnt it exciting! heehee! i still cant believe Jo Stafford has died! im in tears over here looking at her picture. i have been listening to her all day. im sure you have too. her voice was just so unique and strong and her songs were brilliant and fun to sing. they will always remain so. grandmama introduced me to Jo Stafford when i was a lot younger and everytime she would come on i would hear grandmama humming in the background. she knows every one of Jo's songs and introduced them all to me. Message was edited by: butterscotchgreer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Yeah, I've been listening to Jo most of the day today too. I found her just going through different stuff on Rhapsody. I found something really awesome on ebay and I got it for $16!! It's from the Donruss trading card company and it's one in a series of cards called 'Americana'. They have one for Gary and it's got a little swatch from a coat he wore. I looked it up on the official Donruss website just to make sure it was a legit thing and it is. They have a bunch of them on ebay (they just came out this month) so if anybody wants one there's a good chance you could get it. I have a baseball card for Brad Ausmus that has a piece of a game worn jersey and it's really neat. I've never seen them do this though with non-atheletes so that's cool. Of course I'll probably touch it so much it'll wear out - ha! Here's a link to the official site with a list of everyone in this set. http://www.donruss.com/pis/preview.cfm?product_id=145&product_configuration_id=329 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennythenipper Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Thanks for the comments on my blog article. Senta, I think it is ambiguous,at the start of the film whether or not Cooper's character stole the horse. We never see the exchange that he claims took place. At any rate, he steals the horse the second time with no compunction, of course, by the this time the audience is firmly on his side, rooting for him against the maniacal Bean. The first few times I watched the movie, I assumed that King Evans stole the horse. And when Hardin and Evans first see each other their is a flicker of recognition between one another before Cooper begins demanding the money that Evans owes him. Yet it occurred to me that we only have Hardin's word that Evan's sold him the stolen horse. Hardin lies about almost everything else in those opening scenes and it only adds to the moral confusion of these opening scenes where a truly innocent farmer gets hung for accidentally shooting a cow, that Hardin might possibly be guilty of the theft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Hi Jenny, It is mighty interesting matter we are descussing. About morality in The Hardin character. For the first place he didn't steal the horse second time *he won it from Chickenfoot!* For the second he didn't lie about everything - only about his acquantance with Lily to save his life. And what more importaint Jane Ellen belives him. This point is very importaint because he asked her about that - she had no proof that he didn't steal the horse. But exectly so happens with the audience - we didn't have the proof but we want to belive that we have, because we love Hardin. And so did Bean when he shoots Evans. And this is the importaint point that the world stands not on statements and proofs what right or wrong but on the human simpathy. It is starnge for me that the second Wyler movie Friendly persuasion stands higher in my mind, but the Westerner I can watch no matter how many times - never tired of it always enjoy and admire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Interesting discussion about *The Westerner*. I think you both have some good points. Here?s my two cents. I don?t think Cole stole the horse (at least not the first time). When Evans sees him in the bar, it?s clear he recognizes Cole. Evans knows he sold him a stolen horse and he seems nervous b/c he doesn?t want anyone to find out about it. Now, Evans doesn?t know that Cole has been tried as a horse thief b/c he came into the bar after that happened. Then when Cole confronts him about it, he knows that Cole knows Evans sold him someone else?s horse. I guess you could say Cole stole the horse the second time since he got his money back for it and was not its rightful owner. He didn?t steal it out of malice though, he just needed a horse to get out of town so he took that one. What?s interesting is that Jane Ellen assumed he was innocent even when she didn?t know a thing about him. This could be for two reasons. First, she knows that Bean does not hold fair trials and many people he has sentenced may be innocent so she could just be going on past incidents and be giving Cole the benefit of the doubt. Secondly, he just looks like a good guy. Now if he was ugly, would she have assumed he was guilty? Would she even have cared about him then? I can imagine this isn?t the first time Cole has talked himself out of a bad situation. He lies about Lilly so easily that I can believe he?s gotten into trouble before (whether it was of his own making or not) and has talked himself out of it. He seems like a pretty easy going guy who would rather not fight unless he has too. That seems to be at the heart of a lot of characters he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why you all are speaking about stealing? He ask Pete (the horse). Pete, are you glad I won you from Chichenfoot. There was a big game that night. Remember this hidden card which he found while Bean was sleeping tells much about the game and its rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Here are some photos which appered on e-bay at last 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennythenipper Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 You're right! i forgot about the card he finds. So there ya go. Cole is aquited. That's ma rulin' And it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I love those first two pics, especially the one from *Doomsday*. We don't see them playing the card game in *The Westerner* where Cole says he won the horse so I just assumed he was lying about that too but I guess it would make sense that he did win Pete b/c Cole stuck around and if he had stolen the horse I guess they would have hanged him for it. Good pick up on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 May be the judje even helped him to win the horse somehow. It is interesting that the real romance in that film is not between Jane Ellen and Cole but between Cole and Bean. Bean embodies to Cole all values he is already attached, but Jane Ellen is a true morality values and she wins at last. He shots Bean and settle down. Can you belive that he settle down forewer? Angie, I loved that pic from Doomsday espessially too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Some more pics I would like to post from Hanging Tree and Love in the Afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Thank you, Vera---Coop's *"Doc Frail"* may just be my favorite of his westerners, along with *Link Jones* and *Will Kane*. I wish *The Hanging Tree* would get detangled and come to dvd so others can rediscover it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hanging tree is one of my favorite westerns too. It was released on DVD but only in France (I buoght this disc during one of my Paris trips) I think it is connected with rights (who have it in USA?). In France it was released WB. This is an interesting article written by Jeff Corey who worked with Coop on Bright Leaf. the first half of the article is not so good, but the personal memories are interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I LOVE that picture in the article, the first one with the rifle---doesn anybody have a better image of that one? Very interesting article...is there more to it? It looks like another page may be missing...I'm greedy. I'm dying to see that picture of him as Abe Lincoln in Stage magazine that was referred to. I have always thought Gary would have made a splendid Abie. Sigh. What a loss! If the writer sounds a bit condescending, it's because he's an acting coach. I've met only one or two that did NOT have that attitude, especially toward classic actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senta Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I haven't seen better image of him with the rifle. As for the end of the article - these pages is all I've go in the recent clipping package from e-bay. I thought it is the end. It would be wonderful to see him as Lincoln. I'd love too, but sitting here I can hardly discover this magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 We definitely need a better copy of that pic of him with the rifle!! I was thinking the same thing about the guy being an acting coach and being condescending. I would imagine that people who are trained actors (like they went a drama school or something like that) might look down on the people who didn't. Not all of them necessarily, but I can imagine there are a lot that think that way. I think with anything creative like acting, painting, singing, etc... no amount of lessons or schooling will make you good at those things if you don't have at least a little natural talent for it. The actors like Gary and Clara Bow who had no formal training are my faves b/c they were just naturally great at it and just knew what to do. To me they seem much more natural and believeable than an actor who has a more formal style that they learned in school. I wonder if that made these people who had formal training a little jealous that those guys were as good, if not better, than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Here are some good snippet's I read in Gary's book from the Pyramid Illustrated History of the Movies series. I just got it today. It's hard to concentrate while reading it though b/c there's a beautiful pic of him on nearly every page :x. Almost invariably, Cooper's films deprived him of mystery and menace: two basic ingredients of the movie's most successful male sex symbols. Yet his exceptional good looks and his suggestion of repressed eroticism saved him from becoming the shy comic fool. For men, he was the shimmering ideal of all they had wanted to be before reality caught up with them. For women, he offered the strength and loyalty so often lacking in the real men in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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