Any Gary Cooper Fans?

[coopsgirl]

I'm with you two in that I can't stand to see blood and gore either. It may not have been realistic but I miss the old movies when you didn't really see all that. You got the general idea and that was enough. There's one scene in *Now and Forever* where Gary gets shot and I didn't realize the guy hit him until the next scene when he's with Carole and Shirley and he passes out. There was no blood and that's fine with me

[MissGoddess]

Yes, and I believe the more restrained handling of these shooting scenes gave the filmmaker a chance to show the IMPACT of a death....in Yuma there was only ONE instance, in about 200 shooting deaths, where the director chose to give a few lousy seconds to absorbing the impact of one man's dying. It is sickening to do otherwise.

 

Back on track with Gary----you all may want to read CineSage, jr's interesting posting in the linked thread below because he actually has one of the original final drafts of the script to Mr Deed's Goes To Town plus some interesting Meet John Doe info.

 

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=114201&tstart=0

[butterscotchgreer]

yeah noone warned me that he was gonna be shot when i first watched Now and Forever, but thank goodness there was no blood in the scene. i mean i know how unrealistic it is, but i dont care, i cant abide the sight of it. i really freaked when i knew he was shot though. ooooooooohhhhhhhhh!

[butterscotchgreer]

i watched Unconquered the other night guys. it has a really great storyline to it, and boy was he as handsome as ever.i know you said he was beautiful in it, angie, but you lacked in mentioning that he was strinkingly gorgeous in it. heehee!

 

not to mention his acting in this one was so full of not really his normal innocenceness(i dont know if that is a word, but it sounds cute. heehee!) but a little heavier than normal but not too heavy. i loved it!!! im watching this one again tonight!

[ken123]

Sorry ladies -Paulette Goddard is the main attraction in " The Unconquered ",

[maxbloom]

Does anyone know where I can purchase/borrow a copy of Mary Stevens MD with Kay Francis (1933)? I have searched but to no avail. I am conducting a research project and need this film.

 

 

Can someone help?

Thanks

[coopsgirl]

Here's a pic I found of Gary, Madeliene Carroll, and Peter Lorre on the set of the *General Died at Dawn*. It said Lorre was visiting the set b/c he was good friends with the director.

 

 

Here's one from *The Hanging Tree*.

 

 

Here's one from *Operator 13*.

 

[coopsgirl]

*Sorry ladies -Paulette Goddard is the main attraction in " The Unconquered ",*

 

Paulette Goddard was in that movie? Just kidding Ken! I love the scene with her and Gary when he's explaining why his fiance married someone else and he says she found someone she liked better. Paulette says very surprised 'better than you!'. Then she looks straight in the camera and says 'she must be crazy!'. I get cracked up at that every time!!

[MissGoddess]

>>>Sorry ladies -Paulette Goddard is the main attraction in " The Unconquered ",<<<

 

Paulette who? I didn't know there was anyone else in the movie but Gary and a few Indians...

 

[MissGoddess]

Ha ha! Angie you answered Ken exactly as I did!!

[MissGoddess]

Thanks, Angie---for the great picture from *General Died at Dawn* . The quality is very nice, too, befitting the subject.

[MissGoddess]

I said it first, but I think I said it more pointedly. Here is a reviewer who compared 3:10 to Yuma (2007) to High Noon:

 

Peter Bradshaw

Friday September 14, 2007

The Guardian (UK)

 

 

"When the hands point up - the excitement starts!" read the slogan on the original poster for High Noon. The slogan for this movie could be: "When the little hand's pointing to the three, and the big hand's pointing to the two, all the excitement you've been enjoying sort of dribbles away!" Despite a faintly anti-climactic ending, there's plenty of entertainment in this robust, old-fashioned western tale.

Before Elmore Leonard was the writer of the funky action-crime novels that made him, like Philip K Dick in the sci-fi genre, Hollywood's status-symbol adaptee, he was the author of classic westerns; James Mangold's new film 3.10 to Yuma is a revival of Leonard's 1953 short story, which was first filmed in 1957 with Glenn Ford, and the resemblances to the Gary Cooper classic were immediately obvious: the lone decent guy deserted by various yellow-bellies and left to face a terrible reckoning with the bad men alone. With this new version, the parallel with High Noon isn't so emphatic, as the distinction between the good guys and bad guys doesn't seem quite so clear. But the comparison is unavoidable.....

 

......Traditionally, the western is a genre in which elemental human drama of good versus evil can be staged in the vast arena of the frontier. But for me, that ethical contest here became muddled, and not obviously in the interests of complexity or ambiguity. It appeared to fudge the issue of precisely what sacrifices the good guys have to make if the bad guys are to be brought to book, and it began to look to me not merely as if the movie's sympathies were sneakily on the villain's side, but as if the sacrifices endured by the virtuous did not even have the effect of defeating evil.

[coopsgirl]

That's funny that other people are comparing the new version of *Yuma* to *High Noon* too. I think I'll just watch *High Noon* again instead of the other one .

 

Also just as an FYI I might have an idea why they don't make as many westerns any more. My stepdad works security at the Four Seasons Hotel in Austin and he meets people in the movie business all the time as more and more movies are being filmed around the central Texas area. One producer told him they were very expensive to make so that may explain the drop off. I guess I can see that b/c typically you might have a lot of horses which means trainers and stunt riders too which is just adding more to the budget. Who knows though as the general cost of movie making seems to always be on the rise which I would think would affect multiple genres.

[MissGoddess]

Actually, westerns can be the cheapest kind of movie to make, which is why they were a staple of poverty-row studios for so long. Even the biggest westerns did not have to cost much, and in today's terms they never should for there is no need for any budgeting for CGI. Renting a horse is still way cheaper than hiring a special effects company. No, it's a barebones storytelling genre, and if you cannot tell a story or create compelling characters, you cannot hide it. That's why I think Mangold showed himself to be unequal to the requirements of the movie. I realise he is to be a guest here shortly at TCM, so no offense to him personally, but I still stand by what I say.

[CoopsGal]

I'm still working on cropping the rest but here are just a few. I'm sorry it's taken so long

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CoopsGal]

Oh my gosh! They're huge! And you can't even see half of it. Arrrrg!

[MissGoddess]

Those are the finest pictures I've seen in a long, long time, Kim! And you found some of his sketches, that's marvelous! Doesn't Veronica look like she's in heaven, laying on his chest? And the newborn baby Maria picture is very touching.

[coopsgirl]

I love that pic of Gary and Rocky, it's so cute and sweet!!

[CoopfanDan]

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[dickyzee]

For all you Cooper fans. I see that on Sunday evening ICONS Radio Hour is comparing and contrasting the 1957 Delmer Daves film 3:10 to Yuma to the current remake. I expect that, John Mulholland will make some references to Dave's and Cooper's professional association.

 

This post is from the Icons Radio hour page: www.iconsradio.com

 

In a departure from its usual interviews on classic Hollywood, ICONS Radio Hour takes on the western this Sunday, September 16. Using the currrent 3:10 To Yuma (Russell Crowe and Christian Bale) and the 1957 original 3:10 to Yuma (Glenn Ford and Van Heflin) as a launching pad, host John Mulholland and author/film historian Meir Ribalow explore such remakes and "loose variations" as Pale Rider and Shane, High Plains Drifter and High Noon, Unforgiven and Man Of The West, the entire OK Corral ouevre, and, how Vera Cruz, Magnificent Seven, and The Professionals led to The Wild Bunch.

[CoopfanDan]

Here's something I found very interesting as it relates to the movie Sergeant York. It would seem that John Ford himself thought that Howard Hawks and not himself should have won the academy award in 1941 for best director over Ford's directing for the movie "How Green Was My Valley". I agree with this whole whole heartily.

 

On Howard Hawks:

 

"Although John Ford--his friend, contemporary, and the director arguably closest to him in terms of his talent and output--told him that it was he, and not Ford, who should have won the 1941 Best Director Academy Award (for "Sergeant York"), the great Hawks never won an Oscar in competition and was nominated for Best Director only that one time, despite making some of the best films in the Hollywood canon. The Academy eventually made up for the oversight in 1974 by voting him an honorary Academy Award, in the midst of a two-decade-long critical revival that has gone on for yet another two decades. To many cineastes, Howard Hawks is one of the faces of American film and would be carved on any film pantheon's Mt. Rushmore honoring America's greatest directors, beside his friend Ford and Orson Welles (the other great director who Ford beat out for the 1941 Oscar). It took the French "Cahiers du Cinema" critics to teach America to appreciate one of its own masters, and it was to the Academy's credit that it recognized the great Hawks in his lifetime."

 

This was not the only reference to this as I found it on several other web sites:

 

"Film-maker Howard Hawks was born in Amish country, Goshen, Indiana. Hawks received an Oscar* nomination in 1941 for "Sergeant York" in the category of Best Director. He received an honorary Oscar* in 1975, and continued making films until 1970. His box-office success was practically unrivaled during his 50's and 60's heyday, and he was one of the earliest directors to frequently have his name put in front of a film. Even the great John Ford acknowledged that Hawks, not Ford, should have won the 1941 Oscar."

 

There are also a ton of web sites that believe the biggest travesty was John Ford winning best director over Orson Welles and How Green Was My Valley winning over Citizen Kane.

 

Anyway you look at it the choice for best director and best picture for 1941 may be the least popular one in film history. My personal view on this is that How Green Was My Valley should not have even been nominated for a single oscar let alone win all the one's that it did. Here are a list of films that were better than this film:

 

Sergeant York

Meet John Doe

The Maltese Falcon

Citizen Kane

The Little Foxes

Suspician

[coopsgirl]

I'm shocked that *Sgt. York* was Hawks only nomination for best director. I haven't seen *Citizen Kane* (and never will b/c it looks boring as all get out) or *How Green was my Valley*, but it's hard to imagine them being that much better than *Sgt. York*. It would have been awesome if *Meet John Doe* had also been in the best pic category as it's my fave Gary movie.

 

I wish *MJD* and *Sgt. York* had come out in different years so Gary could have gotten nominations for both. *MJD* was released first and I can't remember where I heard this (I think it was in the little bio of his on the *MJD* dvd) but they were reading a review of Gary's performance from a critic back then and they were giving him high praise for that one and saying that it would take a phenomenal performance by someone else to keep him from winning the Oscar for that one. Then the narrator joked that it was another great performance that one the Oscar - but it was still Gary for *Sgt. York*.

 

It may be silly but it bothers me some that none of his movies ever won best picture. Oh well, I guess I should just let it go .

[dickyzee]

On Wednesday September 19, 2007 at 8:00PM EST Meir Ribalow and John Mulholland continue PART TWO of their discussion comparing original western films to their remakes on iconsradio.com

 

The two will explore the differences between Pale Rider and Shane, Unforgiven and Man of the West, High Plains Drifter and High Noon, as well the influences of The Wild Bunch, Magnificent Seven, Vera Cruz... and many more.

[CoopfanDan]

I have watched How Green was my Valley 4 times now and like it less each time I watch it. I'm putting together a 100 point list on things I dislike about the movie. At number one is unlike Sergeant York and the very likeable church congregation, How Green Was my Valley paints the darker side of Church affairs where the entire church except for Walter Pidgeon the pastor are not of the greatest character and are very unliked throughout the movie. They banish a lady out of the church for being pregnent out of wedlock and are very mean people unlike all the churches I have attended in my life. I am not saying the movie is anti Christian but if you were to watch this movie you would not have a very favorable view of the Christian Church. There are a great many unlikeable people in this movie. I am not a very big fan of Roddy Mcdowell as a youth and the actress that played his mother is no where near as good as the actress that played Sergeant York's mother. Also, the father figure that you are suppose to like is very much anti union, which is a hard thing to like in its self. The filming of the movie is no where near as polished as Sergeant York as a great deal more time was taken on camera angles and such for Sgt York. In fact I have read that the entire movie of How Green Was My Valley was completed in less than 2 months. Also the beginning of this movie if you start watching it seems like they might not ever speak any words of dialogue as I think the first half hour or so is completly void of anything except for miners singing. When the dialogue does come in the deep Irish acents seem to hinder the story for americian viewers like myself. The Character development of the older male children in this movie never seems to take off and there is not much to getting to know them all that well throughout the movie. My least favorite scene is where the mother goes to the striking workers and very vicously threatens to kill any of them that goes against her husband.

 

So I guess this is just one movie that I will never like all that much despite the fact it won all the awards. The filming, story, dialogue and character development for Sergeant York, Meet John Doe and The Maltese Falcon were all better than this movie. You can watch it for yourself to decide but it certainly isn't my type of movie. I am partial to coal miners as all of my ancesters were miners but the subject matter is about the only thing I liked about the movie.

 

Of course this is just my opinion on this and am sure that there are lovers of this movie that feel equally strong against Sgt York, Meet John Doe and The Maltese Falcon, so to each their own I guess as far as opinions go. My view is that it did not deserve to even be nominated for that year with all the other classic movies that came out in 1941.

[coopsgirl]

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