Any Gary Cooper Fans?

[MissGoddess]

I love Bette Davis, too, Dan and prefer her much more to Kate Hepburn. It's funny because I used to like Kate a lot as a child but not anymore, she can get on my nerves. I like her spunk off-screen, and a few of her later films when she's mellowed out a bit.

 

*The Time of Their Lives* ---that's probably my favorite A&C movie, too funny. I forgot about the Rebecca line, that's hysterical.

[butterscotchgreer]

okay thanx for letting me know dan.

im happy again!

[butterscotchgreer]

i do like bette and think she uis a great actress, but on my list as you probably know, is greer garson. heehee! we all have our best actresses picks. heehee! bette was real versatile.

 

i think my favorite A & C movie is a tie between Naughty Nineties and Buck Privates, and Hold That Ghost. i just love their, "who's on first" number. i swear i think ill die from suffacation, b/c i laugh so hard to that and cant breathe each time.

 

i will have to see Finishing School the next time it comes on then april, thanks for telling me about it, it sounds so good!

[MissGoddess]

Bette is actually behind several others on my list, but I do admire her tremendously. Greer, too, to be sure.

[CoopsGal]

Angie, between all our writing and posting pictures...I don't think I could manage the strength to even itch my nose! My fingers are as flimsy as Paris Hiltons morals, but it's been such a long time since I've actually logged into TCM to say something worthwhile -- I'm now here to contribute (and hope we reach 5,000 by the end of October):

 

 

I'm gonna tape The Fountainhead tonight. As some of you know, it's actually one of the Cooper films that interests me the most.

 

 

Frank, once you told me you had a fascination with Noir films; I figured this would be a movie you'd take deep interest in. I'm glad you finally have a Gary film to add to your collection; it's exciting to know more and more people are coming across his films and becoming intregued.

 

 

As for building up my own collection of Noir films, I've gotten an extensive supply from amazon. I hope to be able to sit down and watch them all one of these days, but when I get on a gabbing trip about how intense or mind-boggling I thought it was -- I hope I can count on you to give me your thoughts as well. I'm absolutely obsessed and I need some supporters who won't think I'm completely wacky, lol.

[CoopsGal]

Theresa, thank you SO much for getting me hooked on Greer and Walter; though I must say it's so strange to feel the words "no" escape through my lips when I turn on a movie and my parents take a deep sigh and go, "Is this another Gary movie?"

 

 

I'm starting to watch Gary's movies all from the beginning again (some over 7 times over already) but I started with Barabara Worth, then had to end with Doomsday. But once I get time again, in the holidays to come, I'm gonna barrel through them like nobody's business!

[CoopsGal]

 

 

 

I am just bawling my eyes out. This is amazing. *Sobs*

[CoopfanDan]

I love Bette Davis, too, Dan and prefer her much more to Kate Hepburn. It's funny because I used to like Kate a lot as a child but not anymore, she can get on my nerves. I like her spunk off-screen, and a few of her later films when she's mellowed out a bit.

 

The Time of Their Lives ---that's probably my favorite A&C movie, too funny. I forgot about the Rebecca line, that's hysterical.

I am certainly going to have to take up John's recommendation to see sometime soon Bette Davis in Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte and All about Eve.

 

"Glad you're hopping on the Bette Davis caravan. She's one of my favs,

too. Whether young or old -- and I'm not sure her perf in Hush, Hush

Sweet Charlotte isn't the best thing she ever did. In fact, I think it's

one of the most emotionally riveting and humane horror films ever

made. Have you caught All About Eve? Come to think on it, maybe that's

her best performance!

 

Or Now Voyager ...

 

too many!!!

 

John"

 

Now Voyager and Dark Victory are my favorites so far, but will be watching All about Eve very soon.

 

Abbott and Costello in Time of their Lives was my favorite movie of theirs. It did not have all the routines but was the best for storyline.

 

Some other movies that came highly rated to me by John were 12 oclock High and Run Silent Run Deep and a great many others that would really be getting off topic by discussing them all here.

 

To get back to the Gary Cooper focus here this is an interesting tibit of information that I read recently:

 

"Jean Arthur was once asked who she thought was a better actor, Gary Cooper or

Stewart. Gary Cooper, hands down, she said. Stewart was too overtly emotional,

and she chose Joel McCrea as her second favorite male actor."

 

I never heard of Joel McCrea and am sure that there are a great many from back then that sadly I am not aware of. I take that back as I have seen him in foreign Correspondent a part that Hitchcock origianlly wanted Gary Cooper for but he turned it down. He was pretty good in that movie but I am sure that Gary Cooper would have been better in that part.

[jemnyc]

Am trying this, again, to see if my post appears ...

Have been finding it so difficult the past few weeks,

stopped trying a couple of weeks ago ...

[jemnyc]

And so it did ... even as the Mets self-destruct and the Yankees

become, well, the NY Yankees ... I can once again post ... not

sure what I was doing wrong.

[coopsgirl]

Hi John! I'm sure you weren't doing anything wrong. It has been terrible here since they "upgrade" the website. Just a week or so ago it was fixed enough so that you could post but now there are other problems with posts disappearing and then reappearing. I've seen a lot of people joking that we must have stumbled into the Twilight Zone. I figured you've probably just been busy with the CoopHemingway doc. Any news on that by the way?

[coopsgirl]

Joel McCrea often joked that nearly every script he got already had Gary's fingerprints on it. He and Gary were friends and Joel often played parts that Gary passed on. They had a similar build (same height, blue eyes) and although some people said they looked alike facially, I don't see that particular resemblance. Joel often played good guys and was a good actor. My fave movie of his is *The More the Merrier* with Jean Arthur. It's a very funny screwball romatic comedy that was a big hit. Back on Fay Wray's birthday I recorded *The Most Dangerous Game* and he was also in that. I'm looking forward to watching it as it sounds like a really good thriller and I like both him and Fay Wray. He was married only once to actress Frances Dee, who starred opposite Gary in *Souls at Sea*. They were married for 57 years until his death in 1990.

[FrankGrimes]

Marlene's Enemy -- Well good luck with The Foutainhead. I haven't been able to get all the way through it yet. The last time I made it about 3/4 of the way through and just couldn't take any more. I found all the characters to be unlikeable (even Gary which I thought was impossible) and the dialogue trite. I know it definitely has a fan base but I'm not in it. However, from a chick's point of view it's worth it just b/c Gary looks fantastic in it. The scene where he's working in the quarry and the bedroom scenes with Patricia Neal are super steamy. I much preferred Cloak and Dagger; better characters, better dialogue, and good storyline. To each his own though.

 

Do I have to put you on the Satellite of Love and force you to watch all of The Fountainhead, Astro Girl? Don't make me get Torgo.

 

I'm sure *The Fountainhead* ain't gonna improve through the ending, but I hope you finish it out. I want to compare notes, Coop's Chick. I'm excited to see *Cloak and Dagger*, although I do have low expectations for the film. That's usually a very good thing with me, though.

 

Now back to Suspicion, Joan definitely did a good job but the whole time I was watching it I kept waiting for the big "Oscar" moment and just never saw it. She and Cary Grant were both very good, I think he did a better job actually, but there were no Oscar worthy performances. It reminded me of Sorry, Wrong Number with Stanwyck in which she plays an invalid who suspects someone is trying to kill her. Now while I was watching that I was on the edge of my seat, just as nervous as she was and I didn't really feel that as much while watching Suspicion.

 

The reason why I like Joan's performance in *Suspicion* is because her character gets put through an emotional wringer. She's "suspicious" of Johnny (Cary Grant) from the start but he sweeps her off her feet. It's a fairytale romance. Still, underneath, she's wondering why such a gorgeous man of the world would have any kind of interest in her. It's too good to be true. Just when she starts to accept Johnny's love as "true", he begins to mess with her mind. He's a fraud. It's a tough, emotional role to play. I thought she was very smooth and very believable.

 

Barbara Stanwyck's performances in *Meet John Doe* and *Ball of Fire* are more apparent because her characters are take charge, go-getters. There's not much subtlety with Ann Mitchell and "Sugarpuss" O'Shea. I happen to love both performances because I tend to like aggressive women. This is one of the reasons why Stanwyck is my favorite actress. I'm completely drawn to her. I'm less drawn to Joan Fontaine because she's less flashy. But I do like Joan as an actress.

 

Ann: Please don't give up. We'll start all over again. Just you and I. It isn't too late. The John Doe movement isn't dead yet. You see, John, it isn't dead or they wouldn't be here. It's alive in them. They kept it alive by being afraid. That's why they came up here. Oh, darling!... We can start clean now. Just you and I. It'll grow John, and it'll grow big because it'll be honest this time. Oh, John, if it's worth dying for, it's worth living for. Oh please, John... You wanna be honest, don't ya? Well, you don't have to die to keep the John Doe ideal alive. Someone already died for that once. The first John Doe. And he's kept that ideal alive for nearly 2,000 years. It was He who kept it alive in them. And He'll go on keeping it alive for ever and always - for every John Doe movement these men kill, a new one will be born. That's why those bells are ringing, John. They're calling to us, not to give up but to keep on fighting, to keep on pitching. Oh, don't you see darling? This is no time to give up. You and I, John, we... Oh, no, no, John. If you die, I want to die too. Oh, oh, I love you.

 

I love the words, "to keep on pitching." Perfect.

 

Now get back on the mound and watch the rest of The Fountainhead!

[CoopfanDan]

The Fountainhead is not even a favorite with a great many Gary Cooper fans. It wouldn't make my top 20 list of his best movies, but I do like it a little better than some others do.

 

Joan's performance in Rebecca and Suspician were both very good in my view and she was very good at the performances where she was put through an emotional wringer in those two movies. I have heard that Hichcock use to have to do all kinds of things with her in order to get the right reactions in Rebecca and Laurence Olivier didn't like her and her acting ability was sub par in his view.

 

The biggest movie that I can't wait to see is another Hichcock movie that will be on tcm in november and has Gregory Peck in it titled Spellbound. I have never seen it and the plot from imdb looks like it is right up my alley for suspenciful movies.

 

The biggest fault with Cloak and dagger and what nearly every single person in the world complains about is the ending of the movie and it is not Fritz Lang or Gary Cooper's fault in this but WB or the government intervention that derailed this movie from being Fritz's best movie. After watching it go back to the link I posted and read the professional review and John's comments to see if the movie would have been significalanly better with the original ending. I love the movie right up until the ending scene and think it is one of Gary's top films until the point of the butchering.

[FrankGrimes]

Dan -- I didn't want to read your words on Cloak and Dagger since I haven't sat my tail down to watch it yet. Once I watch the film, I'm gonna go back and read your words and then share my thoughts with you.

 

I like both Kate Hepburn and Bette Davis, although their films usually aren't my kind of films. Looking at their list of films, I think I would like Bette's films more. My favorite Kate film is *Holiday* and my favorite Bette film is *Hush... Hush, Sweet Charlotte*. I get emotional at the end of Hush... Hush. I was attracted to Bette's character in *The Petrified Forest*.

 

Miss G(ary) -- Gee, Frank, what did I say?? lol, I can't even remember...was it the comment about Citizen Kane?

 

It wasn't what you said (although I did read what you said), it was the 8:00 P.M. appearance. It was like Grace Kelly dropped in for a surprise visit.

 

It's ridiculous that Barbara never won an Oscar.

 

Nor did Hitch or Cary Grant or countless others. That's why I don't get all worried about the Oscars.

 

I'm sorry Frank

 

Please don't apologize to me. I was simply teasing you. I was not teasing you about your style, though. I adore that.

 

For me, after repeated viewings it remains convoluted, trick-ridden and the characters are all unhappy (so of course everyone today loves it). I'm more like the people in the audience back in the day who probably scratched their collective heads and found the characters in HGWMV to be something deeply moving and resonant in comparison to Kane's.

 

So do you think I like Kane because the characters are unhappy? I hope not. Believe it or not, I attempt to avoid films that I find to be too depressing. I don't find Kane to be depressing, though. I think it's a story of power and greed and the loss of one's way. It's a story that continues to play out today, over and over and over.

 

By the way, I don't have a problem with *How Green Was My Valley?* winning the Best Picture Oscar. Like I said above, the award stuff just doesn't bother me that much. Plus, I don't like knocking other great pictures. Not my style. I will say that I like one film over another, but do I really have to tear down another picture to do it?

 

And I repeat, I begudge not lest I be begrudged. I rather people call Kane the greatest movie ever made, than Fargo, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Pulp Fiction or some other similar horror---which I'm afraid one day they will do.

 

I actually think *Fargo* and *Pulp Fiction* will slide in the critical ranks as the years mount. *2001: A Space Odyssey* will remain a favorite of critics forever. It was a bold, landmark film. It's very much a work of art. A celluloid painting.

 

ButterscotchGreer -- You watched a Hitchcock AND a Lang film in the past couple of days? You better watch yourself, Ms. Skirt.

 

Wacky Cooper -- Frank, once you told me you had a fascination with Noir films; I figured this would be a movie you'd take deep interest in. I'm glad you finally have a Gary film to add to your collection; it's exciting to know more and more people are coming across his films and becoming intregued.

 

*Cloak and Dagger* and *High Noon* are the only Cooper films I own on DVD, but I'm this close to getting the box set with *Peter Ibbetson*. I do have a few of his films on VHS. I'll make sure to share my thoughts on *The Fountainhead* and *Cloak and Dagger*.

 

As for building up my own collection of Noir films, I've gotten an extensive supply from amazon.

 

Wow! You are serious about checking out film noir. I'm most definitely impressed.

 

I hope to be able to sit down and watch them all one of these days, but when I get on a gabbing trip about how intense or mind-boggling I thought it was -- I hope I can count on you to give me your thoughts as well. I'm absolutely obsessed and I need some supporters who won't think I'm completely wacky, lol.

 

I love wacky, obsessive women. Well, at least the ones who don't stalk Brad Ausmus.

 

You can count on me for noir discussion, Mrs. Coop. I'm a person who likes to encourage others, even if their interests and tastes happen to be different than mine. Voiced criticism stings, but silence kills. I think everyone wants feedback on some sort of level. Plus, you don't have to hold back your opinion with me. You're not going to hurt my feelings. I'll just type through the tears.

 

I think you're gonna end up knowing more about film noir than me. I'll probably have to go to you for your thoughts. By the way, I think Miss G has a wonderful grasp on film in general, and she knows more about noir than I do. She'll always give you feedback. She "gets" feedback and encouragement.

[CoopfanDan]

Cloak and Dagger and High Noon are the only Cooper films I own on DVD, but I'm this close to getting the box set with Peter Ibbetson. I do have a few of his films on VHS. I'll make sure to share my thoughts on The Fountainhead and Cloak and Dagger.

In my view all of the films in the universial box set are better than The Fountainhead and Cloak and dagger. To show you how much I think of all the movies in the Universial box set I own two copies of it with one still in shrink wrap in case it ever goes out of print and something happens to the one I have opened. You can't beat 20 dollars for 5 increable movies all of which are 5 star movies all with very good prints. I may lean a little more to the mid 30's to mid 40's cooper in my favorite time of his long movie career, but I do love the 50's cooper and early 30's cooper as well. His weakeast time may have been from 45 to 52 but do love a great many of those movies as well so I guess I am just a Cooperholic.

[FrankGrimes]

Hi, Dan -- The Fountainhead is not even a favorite with a great many Gary Cooper fans. It wouldn't make my top 20 list of his best movies, but I do like it a little better than some others do.

 

I know that *The Fountainhead* is not the image of Cooper that Coop fans prefer. I'm entering my Cooper exploration from a different angle than the diehard Coop fans in this thread. My angle is filmmakers, visuals, and off-center stories. *The Fountainhead* has all three of these elements. Even though the core elements appeal to me, the story will ultimately decide my feelings about the film. And I say this knowing that I do not agree with the Ayn Rand philosophy. The film just intrigues me. Not to mention, I'm also into erotic films and this one screams eroticism.

 

I'm also intrigued by *Peter Ibbetson* for the same elemental reasons I mentioned above, plus I'm a sucker for strange romance, and I believe this film may quench my thirst in that area.

 

I cannot thank the Coop Crew enough for recommending *Man of the West* to me. It's a fascinating film and a film that really showcased Cooper's immense acting ability to me. I loved his "less is more" style in the film. It was quite powerful. I do not expect many Cooper films to match that film with me.

 

Joan's performance in Rebecca and Suspician were both very good in my view and she was very good at the performances where she was put through an emotional wringer in those two movies. I have heard that Hichcock use to have to do all kinds of things with her in order to get the right reactions in Rebecca and Laurence Olivier didn't like her and her acting ability was sub par in his view.

 

I'm so very new to classic films, so my judgments may be a little knee-jerk to start. My knee-jerk reaction with Shakespearean actors like Olivier is that they felt nobody was as worthy as they, especially American/Hollywood actors. Rex Harrison had the same complaints of Linda Darnell in *Unfaithfully Yours*. I love Darnell's performance in that film and I'm someone who believes she was a terrific actress. Could she tackle Shakespeare? Maybe not. But that's not how I judge a film actor. I think Olivier, Harrison, and other British performers did judge actors that way. Prim and proper rarely works with me. I wanna see some faults; human qualities.

 

The biggest movie that I can't wait to see is another Hichcock movie that will be on tcm in november and has Gregory Peck in it titled Spellbound. I have never seen it and the plot from imdb looks like it is right up my alley for suspenciful movies.

 

The opinion meter runs all over the place with *Spellbound* amongst Hitchcockians. Many consider it laugh-out-loud bad and others get lost in the film. I'm one who gets lost in the film. It's one of my favorite Hitch films. There's an underlying theme to the film, but I'm not going to mention it to you since you haven't seen the film. Miklos Rozsa's score is mesmerizing.

 

I guess I am just a Cooperholic.

 

That's why I like you. Even though our film tastes seem to be quite different, I still respect your opinions. You know Cooper films more than I ever will.

[CoopfanDan]

Hi Frank,

 

If you are thinking about getting Peter Ibbetson to fullfill that different kind of romance movies need for you. It will certainly do that as there is no other movie like it.

 

Another great romance movie that is on tonight on TCM at 9:30 pm eastern is my favorite Ronald Colman and also my favorite Greer Garson movie Random Harvest. I urge anyone that reads this to watch it if you haven't seen it or at the very least record it to watch at a later date. It is a true romance movie but one that was done with a very good plot and it turned me into a lifelong Ronald Colman and Greer Garson fan to boot.

 

I am a very big closet Hichcock fan of which may rival other die hard Hichcock fans. I do consider him to be "The master of suspence" and am sure I will love Spellbound since it has Gregory Peck and Ingrid Bergman in it. How can you go wrong with those two in a movie?

[coopsgirl]

I think you will really enjoy *Spellbound* Dan. It's a great film and really keeps you on the edge of your seat. That was the second film I saw at the Paramount this summer as part of a double feature with *Notorious* which I also loved. I had seen *Spellbound* many times before but to see it on the big screen it was even better. The only "problem" with the film is some of the rear projection work looks dated but really it's not that big a deal and was probably just more pronounced on a big screen. I'm a huge Salvador Dali fan and he designed a dream sequence in it that is really something.

 

I'm planning on recording Random Harvest tonight since you and Theresa have raved about and I'm looking forward to watching it. I aslo saw Ronald Colman in *Talk of the Town* at the Paramount this summer which is a light hearted romantic comedy and he was very good in it.

[coopsgirl]

I see you read my post in the 'Lucy was a B movie star' thread. If it was just about anybody else I would have let it go but people can't go around insulting Lucille Ball and expect to get away with it .

 

*I love wacky, obsessive women. Well, at least the ones who don't stalk Brad Ausmus*.

 

Hey just b/c I go out of my way to drive 150 miles to Houston for games and also go to Florida for Spring Training just to ogle, I mean enjoy watching a certain person play doesn't mean I'm a stalker - ha! Trust me I'm not nearly as bad as a couple other women in my Ausmus yahoo group. One of them works at her local TV station in Columbus, OH (as an editor so she's not an on air personality) and she used her media credentials to actually get an interview with him during a game when they were in her neck of the woods. Thing is, she and her friend were staying in the same hotel with the team and the day before the interview they saw him in the lobby and got his autograph and pics with him (even though they already had done this several times as well in the past). Then after the interview was over the next day he very politely said 'Nice to see you girls again.' They thought they were done for but he just smiled and left the room after having given them a very good interview which they posted at our group. Can you imagine how bad we would be if Gary was still around (evil laugh!!!)?

 

*Do I have to put you on the Satellite of Love and force you to watch all of The Fountainhead, Astro Girl? Don't make me get Torgo.*

 

I'll answer this if I can ever stop laughing!! You can put me up there and have Torgo put his famous moves on me and I still don't think I'd be able to finish it!!! It's not even so much that Gary is playing out of character b/c I don't mind that, but it's just that his character acts like a whiny baby when he doesn't get his way and to me that's very off-putting no matter who it is. The main problem I have with that one is that the characters are so unbelievable. Some of them (like Gary's character) are far too rigid in their philosophies and come off as very one dimensional instead of more like real people.

 

If you're looking for eroticism though, look no further than *The Fountainhead*.

 

[butterscotchgreer]

yes frank ill watch myself, but i love mixing movies of genre sometimes, i dont know why. heehee! sometimes ill be in the mood to cry heavily to Pride of the Yankees and then half an hour later after i fully recover from crying to that one, ill watch Julia Misbehaves or some funny romantic movie. heehee!

 

oh that was so fun when we got to see Talk of the Town at the paramount theater angie!! that was such a good movie, i really wanna watch it again. the next time it comes on TCM i have to record it. "it is a moral imperative"!! heehee! i love using that line from Real Genius. i know it is a really stupid movie but i laugh hysterically to it. heehee!

 

im glad you are gonna get to record Random harvest angie, i have to say that youll love it and just ball your eyes out in the end. it is such a beautiful story and i must agree with dan that is is among my top favs of her films, not to mention of ronnie colman's films too.

 

back onto gary, heehee!...........

[MissGoddess]

>>>It wasn't what you said (although I did read what you said), it was the 8:00 P.M. appearance. It was like Grace Kelly dropped in for a surprise visit.<<<

 

Now I really do believe you have both a wife and a girlfriend, with expert compliments like that.

 

 

>>>So do you think I like Kane because the characters are unhappy? I hope not. Believe it or not, I attempt to avoid films that I find to be too depressing. I don't find Kane to be depressing, though. I think it's a story of power and greed and the loss of one's way. It's a story that continues to play out today, over and over and over.<<<

 

No, I don't think that at all, I was just generalizing about the rather scary trend for people to equate morbid and confusing with greatness in almost any kind of art. You I believe are among those who appreciate the film's genuine merits, and as I said, I can understand why it's so highly regarded, even if I don't feel that way myself. And for my money, Touch of Evil deals with those topics of greed and power and losing one's way more effectively. But at least it gives me two very positive characters to root for, in Heston's Mexican detective (he's good, can you believe it? Now that is acting) and Janet Leigh as his wife.

 

I won't say anything more about 2001:A Space Odyssey or I'll get into trouble.

 

Back to Coop----Frank, you teased us about giving us your thoughts on the Coop/Kelly pairing in *High Noon* . Don't hold out any longer, my inner Pandora is dying of curiosity.

[MissGoddess]

[Angie] , I don't see how you'll fail to love Random Harvest---it's a magical movie, one of those perfect ones that practically defines "classic movie".

 

[Kim] Frank is too modest---he really does know more about noir than I so he's the best guide---I just know what I like (and I like *Laura* so if you have that one it's a good place to start).

 

[John] You peeked in and then we lost you! Was it this Twilight Zone board that sucked you away? Hopefully you'll find your way back to us; maybe we should leave a trail of breadcrumbs....

 

[Dan] I love *Spellbound* ! It has a beautiful score by Miklos Rosza and it's really very romantic. Gregory Peck is very young and vulnerable and the story keeps you guessing. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

 

BTW, all this week AMC is playing Hitchcock movies in the evenings. It's a good way to sample his movies if any are unfamiliar with them, though be warned there are annoying commercial breaks.

[butterscotchgreer]

im sorry but i just died of boredon when i watched grace kelly in High Noon. she was just so.....drab to say the least. i mean they were having an affair in real life, at least she could look a little bit excited when kissing or even standing aside gary. i kept yelling at the screen saying, come on woman! show some expression!" but i really do love this movie, i just dont pay attention to grace, i just focus on gary. its not like i dont do that with all his others anyway. heehee!

[MissGoddess]

OK, in case any are interested, here are a couple more articles on that New Zealand play that's popped up, called "My Name is Gary Cooper". One of them includes a mention about the girl who played Gary's daughter in *Return to Paradise* . (Warning: the first article contains a rather surprising picture)

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=18&objectid=10464693

 

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318241/1365263