coopsgirl Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Okay, I'm definitely reading *Peter Ibbetson*! I found an online version of it and I read parts of it and it's beautiful. It's written in first person like Peter is explaining the story. Here's a snippet from near the end that was just beautiful and nearly had me in tears. I'm definitely watching this one again this afternoon. Thus began for us both a period of twenty-five years, during which we passed eight or nine hours out of the twenty-four in each other?s company-except on a few rare occasions, when illness or some other cause prevented one of us from sleeping at the proper time. Mary! Mary! I idolized her while she lived; I idolize her memory. For her sake all women are sacred to me, even the lowest and most depraved and God-forsaken. They always found a helping friend in her. How can I pay a fitting tribute to one so near to me-nearer than any woman can ever have been to any man? I know her mind as I know my own. No two human souls can ever have interpenetrated each other as ours have done, or we should have heard of it. Every thought she ever had from her childhood to her death has been revealed-every thought of mine! Living as we did it was inevitable. The touch of a finger was enough to establish the strange circuit, and wake a common consciousness of past and present-either hers or mine. And oh how thankful am I that some lucky chance has preserved me, murderer and convict as I am, from anything she would have found it impossible to condone! I try not to think that shyness and poverty, ungainliness and social imbecility combined, have had as much to do as self-restraint and self-respect in keeping me out of so many pitfalls that may have been fatal to so many men better and more gifted than myself. I try to think that her extraordinary affection, the chance result of a persistent impression received in childhood, had followed me through life without my knowing it, and in some occult, mysterious way has kept me from thoughts and deeds that would have rendered me unworthy, even in her too indulgent eyes. http://books.google.com/books?id=TKSdpThpC4gC&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=wRs4UNn1FY&sig=Pii1WWnqrP9O72r_ywhXZzZYf4c&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3DPeter%2BIbbetson%2Bnovel&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP2,M1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 oh goodness i just had to watch random harvest last night even though i have the bought copy. i just love watching my fav movies when they come on tv again and again. heehee! dan you need to buy this one on dvd. there are bouns features on it including the radio broadcast ronnie and greer did together, so we get to hear their exquisite voices once again, the trailor for it, a couple shorts that played in the theater before they showed the movie then. i just love it!! it is defintely worth it!!! i think i used a bit more then half my tissue box last night, b/c i couldnt stop crying no matter what scene was playing. it was the perfect late night movie to watch...really, but i couldnt seem to get that red velvet cake out, b/c i was crying too much and couldnt eat anything while watching it. heehee! but i did have my blanket and pillow behind my head to get comfortable. heehee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 *So you actually get in the mood to cry? Well, that's interesting. So what Gary films make you cry the most?* mellow greetings from yooky dooky frankie! heehee! yes when i am in the mood to watch a sappy movie, that means im in the mood to cry. heehee! i dont know why. i love crying to happy endings, but i dont like crying to sad endings, but i do that an aweful lot to be honest. heehee! the gary films that make me cry mostly would have to be: Pride of the Yankees, a Farewell to Arms, They Came to Cordura, Meet John Doe, Peter Ibbetson. i also cry to my favorite one of his too, Along Came Jones, but the reason i cry to that one is b/c i looooooove the ending to it sooo much. i love it when movies end with the couple kissing or getting married. its like watching while you were sleeping, or french kiss on a more modern note. i cry buckets to those too, b/c they end so beautifully. i think i cry to almost all of greer's films too. oh i also cry to gary's, seven days' leave. i cant forget that one. ive always been that way ever since i can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 oh my goodness i just received my birthday present from my godmother last night and one of the things inside that she gave me, was a vintage picture because she knows i love those, and guess who the picture was of? youll never believe it........lily langtry!!!!! i didnt even know she was a real actresses. i thought they just made her up for The Westerner. she was beautiful in real life too. it is such an exquisite picture and my godmother didnt even know lily langtry had anything to do with The Westerner. talk about a coincidence. i was so excited!!!! i squealed and gave her such a big hug! heehee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 That's awesome about the pic of Lily Langtry. I thought they made her up for the movie too but sometime a while back I read something about her and was surprised to find out she was a real person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Angie wrote "I've never heard anyone say a single bad thing about Random Harvest." I said the same thing until yesterday when I went out searching for the one percent world wide negative comments on this film. Below is one posted by someone on imdb. They are certainly not into extreme romantic movies. This is evident as they try to compare this movie to Colman's oscar winning role in "A double Life" which I don't think is a romantic type story like Random Harvest although I have not had to time to view it yet. Susan Peters is very appealing as the woman to whom he proposes in this second part. Garson is OK. I love her in "Good-bye, Mr. Chips" and "Pride and Prejudice." Here, she is the centerpiece of a wooden, overproduced tear-jerker that left me completely dry-eyed. Colman is a fine performer too. Here he is called on primarily to wander around in a daze. To see him at his best, catch "A Double Life." That is a terrific picture -- one of George Cukor's best and, for some reason, least shown. This person must be very close to the none living status. I'm going to have to go out and buy another box of tissues as I can't find a dry one in the house after last night. While Susan Peters was pretty good, Greer Garson was the one that gave the most heart wrenching performance in this movie which is not entierely evident until the third viewing. This picture certainly get's more emotional on multiple viewings as you will pick up on all sorts of little things early on that will mean a great deal later on and cause the tissues to come out a great deal sooner than on the first viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 i saw that comment dan, and thought the exact same thing you did. i also saw another one somewhere else. they said that the movie was too cheesy b/c what happened in the movie could never happen in real life so they picked it apart till there was nothing left to pick and made other horrible comments on it too. it doesnt have to be able to happen in real life for it to be a good movie. have these people ever heard of sci-fi? i know it isnt in the category of sci-fi but i think you get the point. heehee! this movie has to be on of the greatest movies ever made for crying out loud!! greer gives one of the best performances in the history of movies here and so does ronnie colman. i was never partial to A Double Life either and didnt think it was that great of a movie. it was completely out of Random Harvest's league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Dan/Theresa---I don't venture into Imdb.com's board since a long while because I find too many people there are very negative about movies---especially classics. I figure, if you aren't into classics then you should only post about the newer movies you do like. I suppose only someone with romantic sensibilities could like *Random Harvest* . One of my best friends in definitely not a romantic, but she does think RH is a beautiful film. Angie---I have ordered from alibris.com before and I trust them very much. I read *Peter Ibbetson* when I was a teen and first saw the movie. I had known about Gerald DuMauriers's granddaughter, Daphne, first, and then discovered his book *Svengali* . That led to Peter Ibbetson. I love romantic writers and he is very much one of the foremost. The whole book is much like the excerpt you shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Well Theresa and April, I checked out other reviews that the person made (they wrote hundreds) and the only two Gary Cooper movies they wrote on were Ball of Fire in which they thought Gary Cooper should not have been in it and the movie The Wedding Night because of Anna Sten being in it. So it is a safe bet that if you love Gary Cooper and his movies, you will love Random Harvest. Espececilly if you are a big fan of Peter Ibbetson. I equal them both along with Casablanca as the three greatest love stories ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemnyc Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 In scrolling back comments, trying to catch up, came upon comments on the current 3:10 To Yuma, part of which: What is so especially alarming, for me, about this appalling remake is its utter cynicism, which borders on outright nihilism. Characters introduced for no other reason than they can die a violent death. Plot hooks tossed in as an excuse to have a gunfight. And the conclusion, dramatically incomprehensible, renders all that has happened in the previous 1:55 meaningless. And, with easily a hundred people slaughtered by the time we come to the lunacy masquerading as a showdown, who cares that a principal character lies dead? What's one more body? Shame on critics for ignoring all of this and instead on congratulating director James Mangold for bringing back the western. Although, Assassination of Jesse James et al will put it back in the coffin. Message was edited by: jemnyc Message was edited by: jemnyc Message was edited by: jemnyc Message was edited by: jemnyc Tried to separate previous comment and my own, giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hi, John -- Welcome back. The board is not user-friendly yet. I used to click on the bold, italicize, and underline features in the message window but those options do not work for me yet. I have to use code now. I place [c] before any text I want to highlight and [/c] afterwards. I'm using the letter "c" in my example, but you need to use the letters "i", "b", or "u". i = italicize b = bold u = underline For example: [c]The board is still messed up, but at least we can access the windows again.[/c] If I use the letter "b", here's the result: The board is still messed up, but at least we can access the windows again. By the way, you can also hide your edits by unclicking the box that says, "Add the following text to the message - this indicates when changes were made and by whom." You'll see this box (option) below your edit window. Yes, some of us fools like to conceal our attempts at perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hi John, I saw the original after you gave it a very high recommendation and loved it and have no desire to see the new one. To be honest since I have started watching classic movies over a year ago, I have not seen a single new release in over a year. I may just give up on all newer movies all together as there are enough from the classic era I think to keep me satisfied the rest of my life. I do like a bunch of the movies from the non-classic era such as Harrison Ford movies but I think he is pretty much already seen his better days behind him. Russell Crow in a Beautiful Mind and Cinderella Man were the only two moives I can recommend from the 21st century (2000 to present). It would be for his performance if I ever went to see 3:10 to Yuma remake but since it is so violent I will skip it. However, I must say that I pretty much dislike most of Russell Crow's other movies with "The Gladiator" being his worst for sure. The only reason I even saw a Beautiful mind and Cinderella Man was because my brother recommended them to me already knowing that I dislike most of everything that is filmed in the present. He has not recommended anything else to me so I will assume it is all not worth watching. One note of correction for this post is that the Harrison Ford movie Firewall 2006 was very good and the movie What Lies Beneath 2000 was pretty good as well. With all the talk everywhere on the movie he was in called Bladerunner it is quite strange that this may be one of the only pre 2000 movies of his that I have never seen. As a rule though I would still pick any of my favorite classic moives from the 30's-50's over anything that Harrison Ford has ever done or Russell Crowe. They are both very poor substitutes for the actors and actresses from back then. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 In addition to my top three favorite love stories in Peter Ibbetson, Random Harvest and Casablanca I must not forget Now Voyager with Bette Davis to be included with these. This is just a correction to my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 welcome back john!!!! were all glad to see you on here again!! oh dan we musn't forget now voyager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Sorry I tried to show html code on here in a bunch of clever ways but this board would not show it and would only bold everything instead of showing the code used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Here's a pic I found from Along Came Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Here are some more pics from Devil and the Deep, Desire, and City Streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Hi, Coop's Girl -- Do my eyes deceive me or is that Marlene? I guess you weren't lying about not disliking Marlene with Coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 It's a good pic of Gary so that's why I posted it (ha!). Marlene was pretty but those eyebrows are frightening!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I'm not a fan of the super-thin eyebrow look, either. I haven't made up my mind on Marlene yet. I've only seen three of her films: Stage Fright, Touch of Evil, and Witness for the Prosecution. None of those films are "Marlene" films. I got my brother the Dietrich box set last Christmas, so I will eventually get a good look at La Dietrich in time. I also own *Destry Rides Again* but I haven't watched it yet. Gotta get in the mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I don't mind the thin eyebrows so much, I mean I don't really like them but it was the style. What I don't like is the super high, thin eyebrows. They just shouldn't be that high up. Marlene does a good job in both her films with Gary; Morroco and Desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Those eyebrows look like they're trying to crawl off her face! Run eyebrows, RUN !! Gosh, if I were eyebrows...I wouldn't wanna be on Marlene Dietrich's face either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Gosh, if I were eyebrows...I wouldn't wanna be on Marlene Dietrich's face either... So Marlene is on your bad side too, Mrs. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Marlene is fine in Morocco and Desire but what I just can't understand is why she (or the director) can think she has talent for singing... And don't EVEN get me started about that accent! "Mwistew Bwwandon." I'm sorry, I can't stop thinking about that SNL skit now. Angie, I'm still cackling over our phone conversation last week! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankGrimes Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Have you ever seen *Blazing Saddles* and Madeline Kahn's "Marlene"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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