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But there's whole ?nother me

That you need to see

Go checkout MySpace

 

 

LOL. This is so depressing!

 

 

When I get home I kiss my mom

And she fixes me a snack

 

 

Preschool flashbacks.

 

 

That one just struck me funny!

 

 

But I grow another foot and I lose a bunch of weight

Every time I login

 

 

Ha...ha...ha. Angie, you find the most bizarre songs! I love it!!

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If you think that song is bizarre you oughta hear another one he has called 'Ticks'. He does actually have some real good serious songs but his funny ones are really great.

 

*Ticks*

 

Everytime you take a sip

In this smoky atmosphere

You press that bottle to your lips

And I wish I was your beer

And in the small there of your back

Your jeans are playing peek-a-boo

I'd like to see the other half

Of your butterfly tattoo

 

Hey that gives me an idea

Lets get out of this bar

And drive out into the country

And find a place to park

 

'Cause I'd like to see you out in the moonlight

I'd like to kiss you way back in the sticks

I'd like to walk you through a field of wildflowers

And I'd like to check you for ticks

 

I know the perfect little path

In these woods I used to hunt

Don't worry babe, I've got your back

And I've also got your front

I'd hate to waste a night like this

I'll keep you safe you wait and see

The only thing allowed to crawl all over you

When we get there is me

 

You know ever guy in here tonight

Would like to take you home

But I've got way more class than them

And that ain't what I want

 

'Cause I'd like to see you out in the moonlight

I'd like to kiss you way back in the sticks

I'd like to walk you through a field of wildflowers

And I'd like to check you for ticks

 

Oooh, you never know where one might be

And oooh, there's lots of places that are hard to reach

 

I'd like to see you out in the moonlight

I'd like to kiss you way back in the sticks

I'd like to walk you through a field of wildflowers

And I'd like to check you for ticks

 

Oh, I'd sure like to check you for ticks

 

This one really cracked me up b/c I dated a guy once in college and we were out in the prairie were I grew up and after our date we went walking through a clearing in the woods b/c it was a real pretty night and there were like a million stars out. It was nice and thankfully he didn't ask to check me for ticks but he did kiss me way back in the sticks!

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Well Frank, I don't know what to say, but as a result of our discussion I have all these movies sitting in front of me to watch this weekend. Many are film noir and don't know where to start. I've never so much as heard of any of them so I guess that is good for not ruining any key plot points. I figured since I have never watched any film noir I will watch all of the below movies this weekend and either become a film noir fan or write it all off for the rest of my life. I also now own the huge Greta Garbo box set as a result of the icons radio discussion of her but that will have to put on hold as I own that set and the below list are all rentals that I have to return. I don't think Greta Garbo was in any film noir movies but I bought that set for other reasons. Also, I don't think you ever talked on Garbo so those remarks were not posted on your account.

 

Rentals sitting in front of me as I type this:

 

1) Lady Eve

2) Stella Dallas

3)Baby Face (a little afraid to watch this one)

4) Waterloo Bridge/Red-Headed Woman (not looking forward to watching these movies at all but will try to get them watched somehow)

5) Double Indemity

6) Clash By Night

7) Sorry Wrong Number

 

So if I absolutely hate all of these movies after this 3 day weekend, I can once and for all write it all off as not my type of movies. I don't like stating that I am not a film noir fan without getting some sort of representation of it and from what I understand about half of these movies are considered the best film noir that was ever made. Sorry I won't be posting much more now as I have way too many movies to watch.

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I just saw the movie: "The Fountainhead " in its entirety for the first time for some odd reason

i only saw bits -n- pieces of this film over the years. I was drooling all over Gary Cooper he was such a man"s man in this film! The sultryness in this film for its time was awesome for the year 1949. I applaude director King vidor. Patricia Neal looks magnificently beautiful, and the scenes with Gary Cooper sizzles soooo much its a wonder the film itself doesn't melt!.....(such love and

passion) sigh!.....Gary's character displays strong integrity in his work as an Architect with very modern designs that the town isn't ready to handle. Jealousy abounds from other architects

who conform to draftmenship quality to make a buck. "No man takes whats mine" says

Gary ~his mission statement throughout the film, he'd rather strave and he almost does! Because

he won't conform onanyone's term except his own terms. Raymond Massey plays Patricia Neal's

husband the editor of the banner who in the begining of the film wants to bring Gary his downfall.

But he does a 160 degree turn for Gary because Raymond's character sees himself in Gary's

character. He wishes he to could have been a non-conformist iin his own heyday. But he choose

riches and power and head the city's most important newspaper "The Banner". I hope new

classic film fans see this film. I am definately getting the dvd.

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I wanted to make a quick post here before getting some sort of sleep. I'll reply to everyone who directed their post at me later today. Ohh, it's early.

 

Dan -- It is your post that squeezed a little more alertness out of me right now.

 

Well Frank, I don't know what to say, but as a result of our discussion I have all these movies sitting in front of me to watch this weekend.

 

That's quite an impressive compliment you are paying to me, Dan, my fellow Keystoner. Even if you don't end up liking any of the films you rented, I applaud your willingness to try something different. I really admire that. I will return the favor by watching more Gary films. The Fountainhead is next for me but I do have others on tape and I'm going to get the Peter Ibbetson box set. Maybe I can provide a new voice in the Coop wilderness.

 

I figured since I have never watched any film noir I will watch all of the below movies this weekend and either become a film noir fan or write it all off for the rest of my life.

 

I'm hoping you find middle ground. I'm guessing you may.

 

I also now own the huge Greta Garbo box set as a result of the icons radio discussion of her but that will have to put on hold as I own that set and the below list are all rentals that I have to return. I don't think Greta Garbo was in any film noir movies but I bought that set for other reasons. Also, I don't think you ever talked on Garbo so those remarks were not posted on your account.

 

The only Garbo film I have ever seen is parts of *Anna Christie*. Garbo is a powerful force and I believe one has to be ready to take on that power. I'm not there yet. I'm trying to tap into the feelings that have currently taken over my body. Film noir has a stranglehold on me, but I did just recently purchase the Carole Lombard Glamour Collection and I will be getting the Coop box set. I'm trying to mix it up a bit. Noir is most definitely my world, though.

 

So if I absolutely hate all of these movies after this 3 day weekend, I can once and for all write it all off as not my type of movies.

 

I'm one who doesn't eliminate any kind of film from my viewing future. I just can't do it. Musicals are probably the biggest obstacle facing me in the classic film world. I'm not sure I'll ever clear it. "Never" is too strong of a word for me with films.

 

Film noir is definitely not for all tastes. I have a feeling you may like some but dislike most. I'm very curious to hear Mrs. Cooper's opinions because I'm very surprised she is entering the noir world. I don't have a good grasp on her tastes yet, though. I just don't see Butterscotchkins and Coop's Girl liking noir all that much. Miss G is the interesting one. When I first joined this board in late-May, she was one of the posters that attracted me the most. Why? Well, she was in the noir forum... and talking sense. Yes, it's true, Miss G can talk sense sometimes. I know, it's rare, but I've seen it. As far as I can tell, Miss G doesn't like the "unhappy ending" noirs all that much, but can handle the others. Unhappy endings are a big part of noir, though. Harsh lessons.

 

Lady Eve -- Not a noir. It's a comedy. It's one of my favorite Stanwyck films and one of my favorite Sturges films. I enjoy it a lot.

 

Stella Dallas -- I've never seen it. It's a tear-jerker, not a noir. This is ButterscotchGreer Country.

 

Baby Face -- Not a noir. It's a very racy pre-code that shows Stanwyck at her pre-code best. I'm guessing you will not like this film because of its overt sexuality, but I believe it's important to see, nonetheless. I love the film. One of my favorite Stanwyck pics.

 

Waterloo Bridge/Red-Headed Woman -- I've never seen either. I have the Forbidden Hollywood Collection on my DVD wish list but I haven't made the leap yet. I'm too much into noir and Gene Tierney right now. I've very interested in seeing both films, especially Red-Headed Woman. I've said a few times on this board that I'm not really drawn to Harlow's beauty yet. I'm hoping Red-Headed Woman makes me "get it." I have a feeling that it will.

 

Double Indemity -- One of the most important noirs, and some say it's the first noir. This is the film made me take notice of Barbara Stanwyck. I didn't get her appeal at first, but I did later on.

 

Clash By Night -- I consider this film to be film noir but others call it a "melodrama." I love Clash by Night. Clifford Odets' dialogue and the performances of Stanwyck and Robert Ryan are mesmerizing to me. I'm not sure this is your kind of film or not. Lots of talking, not much action-action. My kind of action is in this film, though.

 

Sorry Wrong Number -- A very solid noir. I usually rank this film lower than others, especially Stanwyck fans. I like the film, but I don't love the film.

 

By the way, I own Clash by Night, Sorry, Wrong Number, and The Lady Eve on DVD. I should own Double Indemnity.

 

I look forward to reading your opinions on these films, Dan. I've said it over and over on this board, I don't mind it if someone blasts films that I enjoy. I'm pretty comfortable with my own views, so I don't lose it when someone disagrees with them. I'll survive.

 

JRabideau -- Welcome back to the board. I don't think I was around here when you left though, so maybe I should just say, "hello."

 

I've yet to see The Fountainhead, but it's next on my Coop list. I've been teasing the Coop loyalists around here with that promise for awhile now, though. It's good to see another positive opinion on the film. I'm very curious to see the film.

 

Coop's Girl -- So did you just bait your hook with "Online"? Do you want to make this a strip tease around here? I can show some flesh, if you like. I won't bare all, though. Here's a little of me:

 

6-foot, 192 pounds (I weighed myself... sad)

Brown hair

Green eyes

I turned 36 on August 24th, Cal Ripken's b-day, by the way.

 

I'm a Virgo and I posted some Virgo comments on another thread earlier this month that really hit home with me. I was surprised by the words because I'm not a horoscope person.

 

The Virgo is highly discriminating, but not necessarily as prudish at some might believe. In ancient times, a Virgin was a woman who was not the property of man, and therefore had the legal right to just say "no." Now, in modern times, you Virgos are known for your ability to be highly discriminating -- especially when it comes to matters of personal desire. When Virgo is ready, however, to say yes, the laser-like focus of your passion is anything but prudish.

 

You Virgos have the uncanny sense to see what's wrong with a person, a situation or your environment. It's why Virgo makes such natural critics. Virgo practical analytical abilities are second to none. Your mental process may not be the most creative, but Virgo's razor-like thinking is highly effective. Like the maiden pictured in the Virgo glyph, you separate the useful wheat from the unneeded chafe, the good from the bad. Virgo might be a "clean freak," but most Virgos have a messy closet somewhere or a disaster under their bed.

 

The Virgo motto could be "Perfect is almost good enough." On one hand, this trait makes you very employable, for you're not likely to do shabby work. On the other hand, you can be so finicky that you put limitations on your interactions and experiences before they happen. You'll be happier if you can learn to be selectively less critical, both of others and yourself.

 

There are quite a few "dead-ons" about me in those words.

 

I can spill more beans tomorrow, but I gotta warn you, I'm a boring fella who has built up some high walls. It's why I really associate with "Gwen" in Some Came Running. Her walls were due to a broken heart in the past, but mine are for different reasons. True love is something I haven't experienced.

 

I want to make one thing clear though, I do not believe people on this board or any other board should feel the need to expose themselves to others. I think it can create a feeling of inadequacy and it can put a person at risk. It's why I will be mum about certain things.

 

I'm someone who likes absorbing personalities and opinions more so than bio facts. It's the personalities of people that really draw me to them more than anything else. I really don't care about a person's past. It's about the now with me.

 

I can find stimulation from many different people and in many different ways. It's the reason why I look to connect with everyone in some capacity. All of you in this thread (and board) provide me with different stimulations, and I like that. My thoughts and senses are being challenged on many levels.

 

Like I said, I really prefer board members keeping their little piece of the world safe and secure. The best way to tell members about yourself is to continue to voice your opinion. Anyone who pays attention around here will start to pick up little things about each person if they want to. Some are very open about themselves and others are guarded. I respect both approaches greatly.

 

FYI, if you and I were co-workers, you wouldn't hide any blouses from me. We'd hit it off right away because of baseball (my favorite sport) and MST3K. Coop and his chest hair, that's a different story. I'd merely tease you about that. I'd tease you a lot... and then some more after that.

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jemnyc Advanced Member

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Man, take a few days off, zip down to Charleston for a quick

break, and this board's messages don't just increase, they

explode.

 

Some of the pix I've seen as I scrolled backwards, terrific.

As I've said before, could have used some of you as graphic

researchers on GC/Hem, wonderful stuff.

 

Can't begin to respond at once, so am just adding a couple

of titles for Dan, noir-wise. In case you are interested in more

modern takes on film noir, it hasn't died.

 

The Last Seduction -- Linda Fiorentino's perf is sublime, every

bit the equal of Stanwyck in several noirs or Jane Greer in

Out Of The Past. Brilliant film, proof that color and noir aren't

exclusive to one another.

 

Body Heat -- Kathleen Turner, delicious, and William Hurt is

one of noir's all-time male schlumps, which is really saying

something, given a lineup with the likes of MacMurray,

Mitchum, Holden, Ryan, etc.

 

Must start embedding myself in the posts from this past Monday

forward.

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Hey, Miss G:

 

Thanks for the 3:10 To Yuma link. In-depth analysis on that thread.

It's nice to see that others feel as we do about 3:10 II.

 

Of course, the fact that it's already made its money back,

just in the U.S. showings, means that there will be more

westerns -- Viggo Mortensen, Reese Witherspoon and Ed

Harris are doing one, Appaloosa -- the trouble is that I fear

the powers-that-be will note that it is violent, utterly

incomprehensible in motivation and plotting, and therefore

they'll repeat the formula.

 

Duffy Hecht, whose father produced Vera Cruz, owns the

rights to it. He's been hoping to remake it. Sam Peckinpah

loved Vera Cruz, it is clearly one of the stepping-stones to

The Wild Bunch. Duffy sent me a copy of a spec script

that Peckinpah wrote in the mid-seventies, Vera Cruz. He

was hoping to remake it. It's basically the same, yet it's

different, perhaps it's the Peckinpah sensibility (or lack of

it, depending on how one feels about Peckinpah).

 

Wonder why directors who love a film want to remake it?

A la, Mangold and 3:10 To Yuma, which he says is his

favorite film. Mangold is on TCM in early October, discussing

3:10 and other films he likes. One of the four films he picked

to show and discuss is MJD.

 

By the by, Peckinpah also thought The Hanging Tree

brilliant, one of the best westerns ever.

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Hi Dan!

Can't wait to read your takes on those films! Like Frankie said, only three are really considered "noir", a few of them are actually pre-codes, which you might not like. I think maybe you won't like Red-Headed Woman. Waterloo Bridge, the pre-code version, you might like OK because of its poignancy. I think the *re-make* with Vivien Leigh and Robert Taylor (not on dvd) you would love because it's so deliciously romantic, if sad.

 

Miss G

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>>>Yes, it's true, Miss G can talk sense sometimes. I know, it's rare, but I've seen it. <<<

 

Give the man a cigar---anyone who can get a laugh out of me this early in the morning deserves one.

 

But boy did you get deep later on your post, my eyes were getting bleary. I may have to read it again later. My brain doesn't focus until the 5th or 6th cup of tea (java's not my a.m. juice, I'm a lightweight---and that's enough tid-bits about me).

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Helloooo, John, welcome back. Well, I'm happy they're making more westerns but then again....I'll be much more hesitant before I venture back into a theater to see one.

 

I like *Vera Cruz* because of the humor and competitiveness between Gary and Burt, but I never cared for its blood-thirstiness. I can easily see it translating to audiences today, though, who've seen the same scenario so much in cop films. The Lethal Weapon movies remind me of it.

 

I did notice that one of Mangold's films for his TCM visit was MJD. He gets back a few points for that. :)

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Miss G:

 

Here's another link to a nice review of Man/West:

 

http://www.myfiveyearplan.net/archives/145

 

Yes, I'm the one who sent DVDSavant (Glenn Erickson) the response

at the bottom of his review of Man/West. I spoke with Reginald Rose

about Man/West, some of my ideas -- he sent me a copy of his

shooting script, 178 pages, and the last 30 are missing; today, if

it's much over a hundred, it's tossed without being read -- and he

told me about the sequences between Link and Billie, how London

wasn't up to it. That's when he also passed on that GC, Mann and

he had discussed making Billie Link's wife, but again it was felt that

London wasn't a solid enough actress to pull it off. To my regret, I

never asked Rose why London wasn't simply replaced? She was

hardly box office, so I'm not sure why she was kept on even though

Mann felt her inadequate in certain ways.

 

It's funny, the last time I spoke with Rose, not too long before he

died in the spring of 2002, he told me that for the most part, he was

always asked about 12 Angry Men, the tv show he created, The

Defenders, etc., and rarely about Man/West. Then, in the mid-90s,

that started to change, and by 2000, it was virtually only Man/West

he was asked to discuss.

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John,

 

Excellent piece---it's a short piece but packs in a lot of points I'd love to discuss!

 

Following an ex-con (Gary Cooper) who’s trying to procure a teacher for his small west Texas settlement,

 

I've always been confused a little by this---when O'Connell finagles the introduction of Julie London's character to Link, didn't he say she was looking for a job as a "teacher"? Yet, she later admits to working in "saloons"...which is true? Both? Was she going along with O'Connell to try and pull a fast one on Link? She does seem to want to be legitimate, if not as someone's wife then to work at a legitimate trade...did she honestly want a job as a teacher in the beginning is what I can't figure out.

 

the film has, for fans of the genre, just about anything one could ever hope for.........a creative twist on a Mexican standoff...

 

Can anyone tell me what is a "Mexican standoff"?

 

And it features, as a major narrative vector, a constant threat of rape - Cooper, forced to take up with his old gang, must also protect a cabaret singer/schoolteacher (Julie London) from their brutal, lascivious advances. His two goals - destroying the gang and protecting London - are often at odds with one another, and it’s within this extraordinarily grey area that Mann finds the heart of his film, almost a moral treatise - wherein lies the duty of man? Is it to protect the forces/emblems of goodness, or is it to destroy the forces of wrong?

 

That's a remarkable point---one I've always felt but never articulated in my mind. As a woman, I react very deeply to that aspect of the story. Frankly, they could have found no better choice to play such a part than Gary. His innate sense of decency makes him ideal for it.

 

The film ends, as many great westerns do, with characters riding out into the great abandon, but with them they bring the promise of the educational/political infrastructure that would eventually render the West moot. The west isn’t dying here - but

it’s always darkest before the sun rises…

 

The writer apparently sees the ending quite optimistically, though he doesn't remark specifically on Billie's future. Her destiny seems to be the saddest...without a protector like Link, she seems doomed to go on to more of the kind of jobs she's weary of...until she's too old for them.

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jrabideau---sorry I almost missed your post about The Fountainhead. I liked the things you responded to in the film---they are the things I found to like in Gary's character as well. I am a sucker for idealism and a man standing against the heard to maintain his principals. That's exciting, heady stuff. It's a devisive film, though, many hate it for the same reasons others are drawn to it.

 

The scenes between Cooper and Patricia Neal are the stuff Hollywood in its glory days was made of.

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Dan---before I forget, please let me know when you get around to the Garbo movies. I used to be enthralled by her---read everything I could get my hands on about her and watched every movie, some several times (I have *Ninotchka* pretty well memorized). I'm not as enthusiastic anymore, but have pretty much settled to the conclusion that she was the greatest actress of the motion pictures. She and the camera were so one it's almost like you are a voyeur to what she's doing on the screen, rather than just someone watching an actress "act". A true artist, and there were precious few of those even in the Golden Age. I wish Gary had done a movie with her.

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The irony of the fact that GC turned down Ninotchka because of the negative

reaction to Bluebeard's Eighth Wife is made even more ironic because of the

growing reputation of Bluebeard in the last decade. Bluebeard was far ahead

of its time, I guess.

 

It would have been terrific to see GC and Garbo in Ninotchka.

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