coopsgirl Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 *Design for Living* *If I Had a Million* *The Real Glory* *1936 publicity shot* *Gary and Rocky 1938 - I love her shoes!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Yes those are two movies in Sergeant York and Pride of the Yankees that I will never go see remakes of. There is no one in the parts that I would ever even consider watching remakes with some modern day movie star playing the parts. There are no people around as good as these people anymore and thus the movies cannot be re-made. There is no one in hollywood that could even come close to playing theses real life heros. Let us hope and pray in these years of re-makes that the above two films are never even considered. Can you imagine Adam Sandler playing one of these parts? I might even go to hollywood and participate in a standing boycott of the film if such a thing ever came to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 MissGoddess here, from her bed of pain: Angie, that really is a beautiful still from Children of Divorce. I hope you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I know it! It's bad enough Adam Sandler (who I do like in some movies like Happy Gilmore and Spanglish) was in the remake of Mr. Deeds. I never even want to see one frame from that movie b/c I wouldn't want it to taint the original. I don't think Sgt. York would ever be remade b/c of the Christian element. Hollywood shies away from that more often than not so maybe that one's safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 If I do win it then I'll scan it without the stupid watermark. I hope your not really in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 >>> I hope your not really in pain.<<< No, only mild whip-lash from being blind-sided by Gary's beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I am sure you are safe with any remake of Pride of the Yankees as well as good guys don't appeal to the younger generation anymore. There is no way that either movie could be re-done without representing the men as they were and they can not turn the plot around in a movie like Mr Deeds in order to fit in an actor like Adam Sandler. Sergeant York and Pride of the Yankees were real life stories about incredable heroes the likes of which have never been seen or will never be seen again. You could not put in that guy from the rosanne show to play lou as they did with that movie on Babe Ruth. That movie by the way was an abomination of Babe's character the likes of which will never be equaled. I am sure glad that John Wayne who did many war movies did not play Sergeant York. Ronald Reagan actually did screen tests for the movie and was considered I think and I still have nightmares on old Ronny playing his part. It goes down in my mind as the worst almost casting for Sergeant York that was ever considered. He would have turned that movie into a joke as would have John Wayne. You can not portray meek humble hero types with either of those two in a movie. Even Ronald Colman would not have been able to do that part as that deep english gentleman accent would have killed the movie on the spot. If anything ever get's redone, I hope someday that these two movies will be re-done with the same color pallette that was used for My Man Godfrey. I prefer the original black and white if given the choice between colorization and origianal black and white, but I already have the best that can be done on these two movies in black and white and would buy up colorazations of them in a hearbeat if they looked anything like My Man Godfrey which is almost flawless. Only die hard anti colorization people could say anthing against the below results from My Man Godfrey. I hope that all of Gary's best movies have this process done to them eventually, so that I can enjoy watching them in both ways. I never want colorized movies to replace the original black and white but do want to some day own some of Gary's movies in both formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Even the real Alvin York's main stipulation was in fact that only Gary Cooper could play his part. In his mind if Gary was not representing him then there would be no movie as he would not sign over the rights to make the movie without Gary. WB had to borrow him from Paramount for the movie. I'm not sure who Paramount got in return but it was a good deal for WB. I have gone over all the actors from back then and came to the conclusion that there was no other single actor that could have played this meek and humble hero role not one. The same could be said for Pride of the Yankees as Gary Cooper seems to have been born to play these parts. As Bio movies on real life people these two movies rank number 1 and number 2 of any movie ever made. I had thought of James Stewart in these parts but he always had a crankiness or attitude about him in his character in all of his movies that would not have cut it for these two movies for playing the super meek and humble hero type in my opinion. By this I mean Stewart seems to complain about things a great deal in his movies and there was no room to complain about anything in these two movies with the characters of Alvin and Lou. James Stewart would not have been able to do either character very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I'm pretty much die hard anti-colorization. It just seems like they can't quite get skintones right. In the screen caps you posted the clothes and hair look good but the eyes and skintone still look off. I would think though that at some point in the future this would get better as technology improves. I'm actually surprised they aren't able to do a better job already as many computer related special effects as they are capable of now. If they can do it where it looks natural and they still release the b+w version too then that would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Oh I don't know if skin tones were very good for any of the primative color movies made in the late 30's and 40's. They certainly do not look as acurate to true color as movies made today. I am certain that If I were there on the set of Gone With the Wind that my eyes would not see the same color as the below scene shows. So I am not sure if people are trying to get colorized movies to look like modern day color movies or to compare to movies of back then. I certainly don't think any colorized movies look as good as any movies filmed today but then I don't think that films that were filmed in color back then look anywhere near as good as films of today either. They did not have true color back then. It was all more fake looking as compared to what are eyes see in real life, but I guess is all the illusion of watching older movies and so it doesn't bother me or others that much unless someone adds color to a black and white picture to make it look like the fake color from back then. That aspect seems to bother people a great deal. For the record I am a die hard black and white movie watcher. I sometimes even turn the color off on my tv on a badly filmed colored movie from back then. However, I do realize that many younger people will not watch black and white movies and so the only way to get them to become fans of people like Gary Cooper I guess is to colorize the movies to look as close as possable to other movies that were made back then. I am sure you do know from your own college classes that most women see more colors than do men and some women even see more colors than other women. A fact that I learned in biology classes and one that has many web sites devoted to it on the web including this one: http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2006/09/some_women_may_.html http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06256/721190-114.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 It is really weird how women can see more colors than men. I agree that some early color movies look bad but not all do. I love early two strip technicolor films like *Mystery of the Wax Museum* and those definitely don't look like what we're used to b/c they don't have the full range of colors but three strip is beautiful and that what films like *Wizard of Oz* and *Gone With the Wind* were filmed in. *GWTW* is a good example of a film that needs a true restoration. There have been multiple restorations of it and changes to it but I know in some of those they have monkeyed around with the colors and changed them instead of just restoring it. It is a shame that some people shun bw movies or tv shows. I've always liked them and as long as something is good I'll watch it whether it has color or not. Also there are some things you can do with bw using shadows and lighting that you just can't do in color so they both have their advantages/disadvantages. Here are some shots from *Mystery of the Wax Museum* (1933) with Fay Wray and Glenda Farrell in early 2 strip Technicolor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 That look from Fay Wray is the same look I'd give if I came face to face with Gary. After that...I'd faint! It's the deer in the headlight look, girls! **Nods** We know this look well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsGal Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Thanks for those FWTBT shots, Angie! Those captures were wonderful!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Angie!! yes that is the one i was talking about with lupe!!! yay!!!!! you found it, you found it!! im so glad. thanks sis. i finally get to get on here again, for a while it wouldnt let me get into the gary thread for some odd reason. anyway, dan i love the caps of william powell, and am glad you liked the movies. i love my man godfrey. angie it is a good thing you warned me about those screen caps from For Whom the Bell Tolls!! i was literally on the floor when i saw them. heehee! GORGEOUS! Message was edited by: butterscotchgreer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 *That look from Fay Wray is the same look I'd give if I came face to face with Gary.* I hadn't thought about it like that but that's too funny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dan, I can't see any of the screencaps you posted. Since Godfrey is my favorite comedy, I'm surious to see what those geeks with their crayons have done to my precious classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 come to think of it, cant you just see all of us standing next to each other and out of nowhere here comes gary of all people in front of us...yeah i think we would all have on that same face. heehee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissGoddess Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I love the old three-strip technicolor---to me, nothing I have seen today equals it for beauty and artistry. It would still be used today if it weren't so expensive. But then, I don't like to think of colors as being limited to perfect mimicking of reality---they can be used to convey character and mood and a movie like *Gone With The Wind* is a perfect example of this. In my opinion, it's one of the most gorgeous examples of Technicolor, so much painstaking care was put into the cinematography as never had been done up to that point. If anything, use of Technicolor became more garish (which I don't always mind---some of those Fox musicals are like candy shops) after Wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I was perusing the 'net this morning and found a website where a guy writes reviews of movies from the 20s and 30s and found this one about *Beau Geste*. It's a very good take on the film. If this story is viewed as a simple morality tale of good versus evil, Markov is clearly the symbol of evil. The thing that Beau Geste does that so many other films fail to do, is to present a complex bad guy. While Markov is clearly out for himself, one must admire his abilities to lead and command. The same ambition that is necessary to be a successful leader, if not properly channeled can be perverted which leads to evil. In contrast to Markov, we have Beau. Beau at many times becomes an idealized version of who we would all like to be. He is handsome, charismatic, and loyal to the bone. However, he may or may not be the man who stole the jewel, and this adds complexity to what could have become a boring goody-two-shoes. Rather, we have to wonder about Beau, and at the same time we really like Beau. The thoughtful viewer may from time to time wonder how he or she can so like a man who is superficially a great guy but at the same time perhaps a man who stole the only piece of security his family had. It is this duality that Markov and Beau bring that makes this film an interesting character study. While the good versus evil reading of the movie is perhaps the most common reading, I saw this film slightly differently. While the overall film structure presents with the good versus evil duality, the body of the film presents a more realistic view of the world, because during most of the movie, Beau and Markov are actually working together to defeat a common enemy--the Arabs. It is this imagery of the righteous man treading the same path as the wicked, albeit for entirely different motives, that most interested me. It reminded me of how many times in my life I have had to work with those people whom I really didn't like to accomplish a common goal. I may be entirely off with this reading, but that is how this film spoke to me. The reason that the film works so well is partly because of the excellent direction of William Wellman. His work made this movie look more realistic than most war films, which tend to look like a game of G.I. Joe gone terribly wrong. The film feels real, and that is a big accomplishment for such a big movie. While Wellman deserves such kudos for pulling this off, Robert Carson and the entire cast also deserve credit. Carson gave the actors excellent dialogue with which to work, and the actors delievered the lines to near perfection; there was not a bad performance in this film. In particular, Cooper, Milland, and Preston were absolutely amazing as was Donlevy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsgirl Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Here are some pics from *Mr. Deeds*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 that is a very interesting review on Beau Geste. *In contrast to Markov, we have Beau. Beau at many times becomes an idealized version of who* *we would all like to be. He is handsome, charismatic, and loyal to the bone. However, he mayor* *may not be the man who stole the jewel, and this adds complexity to what could have becomea* *boring goody-two-shoes. Rather, we have to wonder about Beau, and at the same time we really* *like Beau. The thoughtful viewer may from time to time wonder how he or she can so like a man* *who is superficially a great guy but at the same time perhaps a man who stole the only piece of* *security his family had. It is this duality that Markov and Beau bring that makes this film and* *interesting character study.* that is a very great way to put it actually. although i was never partial to markov and always liked beau better, heehee! but that is just me right. i love this story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Thanks for the pictures. It's nice to open this up in the a.m. and see the lovely Jean Arthur. Oh, and seeing Gary is a good thing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 oh angie, i am so saving that pic of gary playing the tuva!! heehee! he is too cute when laying that thing. i just watched that the othet night and squealed when he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopfanDan Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 "Dan, I can't see any of the screencaps you posted. Since Godfrey is my favorite comedy, I'm surious to see what those geeks with their crayons have done to my precious classic." Picture comparison's from the highly over-rated Criterion version along side the colored version/Black and White fox version are available here: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/mymangodfrey.htm The choice is very clear on the dvd. People can spend 10 dollars and get the black and white version of the film that looks identical to the Criterion black and white version and also get the colorized version on the same dvd or can spend 40 dollars just for the criterion version that only has the black and white version. Die hard anti colorization people are still buying the Criterion version for 30 dollars more because the other disc has the colorized version on it as well, which they consider an abomination. To me fake color is fake color. Three strip technicolor is not realistic looking color and colorized films are not realistic color so I personally have no problem watching colorized films unless the color is really bad as is the case with technicolor three strips that get out of allignment. I still insist that the black and white version should NOT be replaced by the color version and it must be included on the same dvd or on a seperate purchase dvd. I in no way support the replacement of black and white with colorization. If the black and white version is no longer sold I am against Colorization of movies completly. I think it is very snobish to be against it though when the original black and white is included on the same dvd for 30 dollars less than the Criterian version. I am very glad that not a single Gary Cooper movie has been released by Criterion. 40 dollars is way too much money to spend on a single movie and sometimes they even want more for some of the movies they release. I would never consider paying more than 20 dollars ever for a single movie on dvd even for a movie like "The Hanging Tree". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterscotchgreer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 im glad you agree dan! i dont like the black and white movies that were rereleased in a colorized version. like i have seen a clip of the colorized version of Pride of the Yankees and Its a Wonderful Life, My Man Godfrey, which you were just speaking of, and a few more, but i dont like them one bit, and have actually seen a colorzed pic of a scene in Mrs. Miniver, bc they released a colorized version of that too, and it looks terribly fake! i dont think i ever want to see Mrs. Miniver in color. i like to watch them as nature intened..in black and white. heehee! i love saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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