Any Gary Cooper Fans?

[CoopsGal]

"I see that you were out partying in another part of town tonight. It's a part of town where good girls go to be bad," said Mr. Grimes regarding Noirville.

 

 

lol, We seem to have a 'Noir Town', 'Noir City' and a 'Noirville.' If I remember correctly...isn't Noirville the name of the man who invented popcorn?

[CoopfanDan]

Patricia Neal is the one that comes to mind that he even left his wife for a few years over. She is certainly not a favorite with the people that post here but Gary must have been very close to her. Ingrid Bergman was fasinated with Gary and am not sure how he felt about her except that they remained good friends with her even during her exile out of our cournty as he very much wanted her to do Friendly Persuation with him. During the movie Blowing Wild Barbara and him got champaign and drank it out in the countryside along with Anthony Quinn as they contemplated the academy awards and his joke on asking John Wayne to accept the academy award for him if Gary should win for Hign Noon.

 

I do not that years later Ingrid Bergman thought very little of movies like Casablanca and could not imagine for the life of her why fans kept coming up to her and asking about that movie when in her mind For Whom the Bell Tolls was her best picture. Even as a extreme Cooper fan I like Ingrid's performance in casablanca better than anything she did with Cooper. I have read stories where she was constanly making phone calls about getting the part for For Whom the Bell Tolls while on the set of Casablanca. She did not like Bogart all that much I don't think and was even going over the screen play I believe for FWTBT even while still making the movie Casablanca. My view after doing some reading on it was that she looked at Casablanca as being a movie that went on to long and she just wanted to be done with it so she could work with the man she had become obsesssed with in Gary Cooper. She made two movies with Coop but in my view her best two performances were Casablanca and Notorious. I have not seen many of her movies but am looking forward to the one she did with Gregory Peck in Spellbound when it comes on in November.

 

So to answer your question I would say that Gary never mentioned I don't think on whom he liked the best as an actress but did do three movies with Barbara and this is the most movies he did with any actress. They are for certain my three favorite movies that Barbara did and she did seem to be at her best as an actress with Gary in my humble opinion. He wanted to do another movie with Ingrid in Friendly persuation but that did not come to be because of her imposed exile out of the country at the time. So I would say that any actress that Gary went out of his way to get for a part such as Barbara or Ingrid would be the one's that he admired most as actresses. He liked a great many others for other things.

[CoopfanDan]

Yess Miss G. you have turned me on to a great many people that I would not have given a second thought to. It was your interest in Spencer and a Burt Renolds tribute to the man that made me decide to give this man a chance and I am glad that I did.

 

It was actually this quote from Charlton Heston that got me thinking I am spending too much time on the internet talking to people and the reason I have tried to leave several times and am still very much unsuccessful at it.

 

""The Internet is for lonely people. People should live."

 

I use to be a very outdoors kind of person and believe it or not the life of the party kind of person back in my military days. I don't know how many times I was out with my lady Anne from England at the NCO club until 4 or 5 in the morning at RAF Bentwarters and then back at her place for the rest of the night and weekend. Even now I am very much different than what I may appear over the internet. I greatly enjoy being with people and am not a loner. Although the only people I hang out with now days are the people that I work with. I am a prankster in real life and no one at work is ever really sure what I will do next to them. I go out of my way to make people laugh. I also do not drink anymore since leaving the military and this is a major reason I don't hang out with more people in real life anymore. I love joking around with people in real life but do take the more serious approach on the internet when talking about classic movies. Back in my military days I had thousands of friends as I was a football player and a world class powerlifter and every single person knew who I was on base and I knew who all of them as well. If they didn't I made it a point to introduce myself to them. So I guess the internet has changed me quite a bit in that I am now sitting behind a chair more typeing to people that I will never see but the friendships that I have made with all of you are priceless and no less important than the real life friendships from long ago. So I guess that I will never really be able to leave these boards. Once a person is a freind of mine they are a friend for life be it a real life acquaintance or the internet kind. I guess there is no real way to go back to the kind of person you were free from computers once the bug has been introduced. Yet I think I have lived a very full life. There is nothing that I haven't done or nowhere that I wanted to visit that I haven't been. I have lived more during the early part of my life than I am affraid that most younger people are currently living today. So to any of the younger people out there I would take Charlton Heston's remarks to heart. You do need to enjoy your younger days and live more. I have done all the living that I could handle in a life and the second part will be more of a reflection of my days of living and a look back to the days of before I was born in classic movies. I plan on watching many classic movies over the last part of my life as I now have over 200 back cataloged movies that are in need of watching.

 

Also I do still get to meet new people in real life every couple of years as I travel around filming Christian concerts all over the east coast visiting dozens of churches. Ussaully during that time when I am unable to connect to the internet for a month, it is very hard on me but have met and befriended thousands of people from doing this and is the greatest thing about filming concerts that I know of. Actually many of those people I originally met on the internet and was only able to meet in person because of my camera filming work, which is a great way of meeting other Christians in the country.

[CoopfanDan]

Well I am off tonight to watch the colorized verson of My Man Godfrey. I have both versions on the same dvd but thought I would watch the movie in it's none color shaded female friendly version first. I did pop it in and the colors that I can see look just gorgeous thanks no doubt to the men who see colors similar to me that were involved in colorizing it.

[MissGoddess]

Danny-Boy---I'm so happy you will stick around. And I just bet you really are a heart-breaker in real life. And I do agree 100% with you and "Chuck" about how REAL life needs to lived first and this kind of place should just be a pleasant diversion. I get out pretty frequently and the only thing the internet is really taking me away from is probably more movie watching or book-reading.

 

Enjoy Carole and Bill in all their gloriously colorized splendor! You couldn't pick a happier movie on the planet. I'll take it colored, b&w or on rye with swiss cheese.

[coopsgirl]

I agree that once computers get into your life it's hard to get away from them, but they are a great place to get to meet people from all over the country and world and discuss similar interests. It's weird too b/c the computer world and real life can often mix together. For example, Theresa and I are going to an ice hockey game in Austin tonight and I'm really excited about it. She goes all the time but it will be my first one and then next year I'm gonna take her to an Astros game.

[cashette]

Dan, I have always admired Patricia Neal, and I enjoyed the two movies that she made with Gary, "The Fountainhead" and "Bright Leaf". It has been almost three months since my first post. Everyday I enjoy reading what new items are on the various posts. You are one of the most articulate members of the board and a voice of reason. I wish that I could express my thoughts more clearly when I post. "Blowing Wild" is on my must buy list. "Meet John Doe" and "Ball Of Fire" have been in my video library for years. Thanks Dan for deciding to stay on "BOARD". It wouldn`t be the same without you here.

[cashette]

Dan, I have always admired Patricia Neal, and I enjoyed the two movies that she made with Gary, "The Fountainhead" and "Bright Leaf". It has been almost three months since my first post. Everyday I enjoy reading what new items are on the various posts. You are one of the most articulate members of the board and a voice of reason. I wish that I could express my thoughts more clearly when I post. "Blowing Wild" is on my must buy list. "Meet John Doe" and "Ball Of Fire" have been in my video library for years. Thanks Dan for deciding to stay on "BOARD". It wouldn`t be the same without you here.

[coopsgirl]

[MissGoddess]

That's an unusually serious picture from Along Came Jones!

 

I struck a little bit of gold, finally, with the following pictures (some in color---rare!) taken on the Love in the Afternoon shoot. Miss H. looks a wee bit smitten.

 

[MissGoddess]

[MissGoddess]

[CoopfanDan]

The speach got cut off so I will include it here in a seperate post:

 

Howard Roark's

Courtroom Speech

From The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand

 

Thousands of years ago, the first man discovered how to make fire. He was probably burned at the stake he had taught his brothers to light. He was considered an evildoer who had dealt with a demon mankind dreaded. But thereafter men had fire to keep them warm, to cook their food, to light their caves. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had lifted dardness off the earth. Centuries later, the first man invented the wheel. He was probably torn on the rack he had taught his brothers to build. He was considered a transgressor who ventured into forbidden terrritory. But thereafter, men could travel past any horizon. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had opened the roads of the world.

 

That man, the unsubmissive and first, stands in the opening chapter of every legend mankind has recorded about its beginning. Prometheus was chained to a rock and torn by vultures?because he had stolen the fire of the gods. Adam was condemned to suffer?because he had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Whatever the legend, somewhere in the shadows of its memory mankind knew that its glory began with one and that that one paid for his courage.

 

Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision. Their goals differed, but they all had this in common: that the step was first, the road new, the vision unborrowed, and the response they received?hatred. The great creators?the thinkers, the artists, the scientists, the inventors?stood alone against the men of their time. Every great new thought was opposed. Every great new invention was denounced. The first motor was considered foolish. The airplane was considered impossible. The power loom was considered vicious. Anesthesia was considered sinful. But the men of unborrowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered and they paid. But they won.

 

No creator was prompted by a desire to serve his brothers, for his brothers rejected the gift he offered and that gift destroyed the slothful routine of their lives. His truth was his only motive. His own truth, and his own work to achieve it in his own way. A symphony, a book, an engine, a philosophy, an airplane or a building?that was his goal and his life. Not those who heard, read, operated, believed, flew or inhabited the thing he had created. The creation, not its users. The creation, not the benefits others derived from it. The creation which gave form to his truth. He held his truth above all things and against all men.

 

His vision, his strength, his courage came from his own spirit. A man's spirit, however, is his self. That entity which is his consciousness. To think, to feel, to judge, to act are functions of the ego.

 

The creators were not selfless. It is the whole secret of their power?that it was self-sufficient, self-motivated, self-generated. A first cause, a fount of energy, a life force, a Prime Mover. The creator served nothing and no one. He lived for himself.

 

And only by living for himself was he able to achieve the things which are the glory of mankind. Such is the nature of achievement.

 

Man cannot survive except through his mind. He comes on earth unarmed. His brain is his only weapon. Animals obtain food by force. Man has no claws, no fangs, no horns, no great strength of muscle. He must plant his food or hunt it. To plant, he needs a process of thought. To hunt, he needs weapons, and to make weapons?a process of thought. From this simplest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from a single attribute of man?the function of his reasoning mind.

 

But the mind is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain. There is no such thing as a collective thought. An agreement reached by a group of men is only a compromise or an average drawn upon many individual thoughts. It is a secondary consequence. The primary act?the process of reason?must be performed by each man alone. We can divide a meal among many men. We cannot digest it in a collective stomach. No man can use his lungs to breathe for another man. No man can use his brain to think for another. All the functions of body and spirit are private. They cannot be shared or transferred.

 

We inherit the products of the thought of other men. We inherit the wheel. We make a cart. The cart becomes an automobile. The automobile becomes an airplane. But all through the process what we receive from others is only the end product of their thinking. The moving force is the creative faculty which takes this product as material, uses it and originates the next step. This creative faculty cannot be given or received, shared or borrowed. It belongs to single, individual men. That which it creates is the property of the creator. Men learn from one another. But all learning is only the exchange of material. No man can give another the capacity to think. Yet that capacity is our only means of survival.

 

Nothing is given to man on earth. Everything he needs has to be produced. And here man faces his basic alternative: he can survive in only one of two ways?by the independent work of his own mind or as a parasite fed by the minds of others. The creator originates. The parasite borrows. The creator faces nature alone. The parasite faces nature through an intermediary.

 

The creator?s concern is the conquest of nature. The parasite?s concern is the conquest of men.

 

The creator lives for his work. He needs no other men. His primary goal is within himself. The parasite lives second-hand. He needs others. Others become his prime motive.

 

The basic need of the creator is independence. The reasoning mind cannot work under any form of compulsion. It cannot be curbed, sacrificed or subordinated to any consideration whatsoever. It demands total independence in function and in motive. To a creator, all relations with men are secondary.

 

The basic need of the second-hander is to secure his ties with men in order to be fed. He places relations first. He declares that man exists in order to serve others. He preaches altruism.

 

Altruism is the doctrine which demands that man live for others and place others above self.

 

No man can live for another. He cannot share his spirit just as he cannot share his body. But the second-hander has used altruism as a weapon of expoloitation and reversed the base of mankind?s moral principles. Men have been taught every precept that destroys the creator. Men have been taught dependence as a virtue.

 

The man who attemps to live for others is a dependent. He is a parasite in motive and makes parasites of those he serves. The relationship produces nothing but mutual corruption. It is impossible in concept. The nearest approach to it in reality?the man who lives to serve others?is the slave. If physical slavery is repulsive, how much more repulsive is the concept of servility of the spirit? The conquered slave has a vestige of honor. He has the merit of having resisted and of considering his condition evil. But the man who enslaves himself voluntarily in the name of love is the basest of creatures. He degrades the dignity of man and he degrades the conception of love. But this is the essence of altruism.

 

Men have been taught that the highest virtue is not to achieve, but to give. Yet one cannot give that which has not been created. Creation comes before distribution?or there will be nothing to distribute. The need of the creator comes before the need of any possible beneficiary. Yet we are taught to admire the second-hander who dispenses gifts he has not produced above the man who made the gifts possible. We praise an act of charity. We shrug at an act of achievement.

 

Men have been taught that their first concern is to relieve the sufferings of others. But suffering is a disease. Should one come upon it, one tries to give relief and assistance. To make that the highest test of virtue is to make suffering the most important part of life. Then man must wish to see others suffer?in order that he may be virtuous. Such is the nature of altruism. The creator is not concerned with disease, but with life. Yet the work of the creators has eliminated one form of disease after another, in man?s body and spirit, and brought more relief from suffering than any altruist could ever conceive.

 

Men have been taught that it is a virtue to agree with others. But the creator is the man who disagrees. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to swim with the current. But the creator is the man who goes against the current. Men have been taught that it is a virtue to stand together. But the creator is the man who stands alone.

 

Men have been taught that the ego is the synonym of evil, and selflessness the ideal of virtue. But the creator is the egotist in the absolute sense, and the selfless man is the one who does not think, feel, judge or act. These are functions of the self.

 

Here the basic reversal is most deadly. The issue has been perverted and man has been left no alternative?and no freedom. As poles of good and evil, he was offered two conceptions: egotism and altruism. Egotism was held to mean the sacrifice of others to self. Altruism?the sacrifice of self to others. This tied man irrevocably to other men and left him nothing but a choice of pain: his own pain borne for the sake of others or pain inflicted upon others for the sake of self. When it was added that man must find joy in self-immolation, the trap was closed. Man was forced to accept **** as his ideal?under the threat that sadism was his only alternative. This was the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on mankind.

 

This was the device by which dependence and suffering were perpetuated as fundamentals of life.

 

The choice is not self-sacrifice or domination. The choice is independence or dependence. The code of the creator or the code of the second-hander. This is the basic issue. It rests upon the alternative of life or death. The code of the creator is built on the needs of the reasoning mind which allows man to survive. The code of the second-hander is built on the needs of a mind incapable of survival. All that which proceeds from man?s independent ego is good. All that which proceeds from man?s dependence upon men is evil.

 

The egotist is the absolute sense is not the man who sacrifices others. He is the man who stands above the need of using others in any manner. He does not function through them. He is not concerned with them in any primary matter. Not in his aim, not in his motive, not in his thinking, not in his desires, not in the source of his energy. He does not exist for any other man?and he asks no other man to exist for him. This is the only form of brotherhood and mutual respect possible between men.

 

Degrees of ability vary, but the basic principle remains the same: the degree of a man?s independence, initiative and personal love for his work determines his talent as a worker and his worth as a man. Independence is the only gauge of human virtue and value. What a man is and makes of himself; not what he has or hasn?t done for others. There is no substitute for personal dignity. There is no standard of personal dignity except independence.

 

In all proper relationships there is no sacrifice of anyone to anyone. An architect needs clients, but he does not subordinate his work to their wishes. They need him, but they do not order a house just to give him a commission. Men exchange their work by free, mutual consent to mutual advantage when their personal interests agree and they both desire the exchange. If they do not desire it, they are not forced to deal with each other. They seek further. This is the only possible form of relationship between equals. Anything else is a relation of slave to master, or victim to executioner.

 

No work is ever done collectively, by a majority decision. Every creative job is achieved under the guidance of a single individual thought. An architect requires a great many men to **** his building. But he does not ask them to vote on his design. They work together by free agreement and each is free in his proper function. An architect uses steel, glass, concrete, produced by others. But the materials remain just so much steel, glass and concrete until he touches them. What he does with them is his individual product and his individual property. This is the only pattern for proper co-operation among men.

 

The first right on earth is the right of the ego. Man?s first duty is to himself. His moral law is never to place his prime goal within the persons of others. His moral obligation is to do what he wishes, provided his wish does not depend primarily upon other men. This includes the whole sphere of his creative faculty, his thinking, his work. But it does not include the sphere of the gangster, the altruist and the dictator.

 

A man thinks and works alone. A man cannot rob, exploit or rule?alone. Robbery, exploitation and ruling presuppose victims. They imply dependence. They are the province of the second-hander.

 

Rulers of men are not egotists. They create nothing. They exist entirely through the persons of others. Their goal is in their subjects, in the activity of enslaving. They are as dependent as the beggar, the social worker and the bandit. The form of dependence does not matter.

 

But men were taught to regard second-handers?tyrants, emperors, dictators?as exponents of egotism. By this fraud they were made to destroy the ego, themselves and others. The purpose of the fraud was to destroy the creators. Or to harness them. Which is a synonym.

 

From the beginning of history, the two antagonists have stood face to face: the creator and the second-hander. When the first creator invented the wheel, the first second-hander responded. He invented altruism.

 

The creator?denied, opposed, persecuted, exploited?went on, moved forward and carried all humanity along on his energy. The second-hander contributed nothing to the process except the impediments. The contest has another name: the individual against the collective.

 

The ?common good? of a collective?a race, a class, a state?was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equaled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism? Does the fault lie in men?s hypocrisy or in the nature of the principle? The most dreadful butchers were the most sincere. They believed in the perfect society reached through the guillotine and the firing squad. Nobody questioned their right to murder since they were murdering for an altruistic purpose. It was accepted that man must be sacrificed for other men. Actors change, but the course of the tragedy remains the same. A humanitarian who starts with declarations of love for mankind and ends with a sea of blood. It goes on and will go on so long as men believe that an action is good if it is unselfish. That permits the altruist to act and forces his victims to bear it. The leaders of collectivist movements ask nothing for themselves. But observe the results.

 

The only good which men can do to one another and the only statement of their proper relationship is?Hands off!

 

Now observe the results of a society built on the principle of individualism. This, our country. The noblest country in the history of men. The country of greatest achievement, greatest prosperity, greatest freedom. This country was not based on selfless service, sacrifice, renunciation or any precept of altruism. It was based on a man?s right to the pursuit of happiness. His own happiness. Not anyone else?s. A private, personal, selfish motive. Look at the results. Look into your own conscience.

 

It is an ancient conflict. Men have come close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage?s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

 

Now, in our age, collectivism, the rule of the second-hander and second-rater, the ancient monster, has broken loose and is running amuck. It has brought men to a level of intellectual indecency never equaled on earth. It has reached a scale of horror without precedent. It has poisoned every mind. It has swallowed most of Europe. It is engulfing our country.

 

I am an architect. I know what is to come by the principle on which it is built. We are approaching a world in which I cannot permit myself to live.

 

Now you know why I dynamited Cortlandt.

 

I designed Cortlandt. I gave it to you. I destroyed it.

 

I destroyed it because I did not choose to let it exist. It was a double monster. In form and in implication. I had to blast both. The form was mutilated by two second-handers who assumed the right to improve upon that which they had not made and could not equal. They were permitted to do it by the general implication that the altruistic purpose of the building superseded all rights and that I had no claim to stand against it.

 

I agreed to design Cortlandt for the purpose of seeing it erected as I dedigned it and for no other reason. That was the price I set for my work. I was not paid.

 

I do not blame Peter Keating. He was helpless. He had a contract with his employers. It was ignored. He had a promise that the structure he offered would be built as designed. The promise was broken. The love of a man for the integrity of his work and his right to preserve it are now considered a vague intangible and an inessential. You have heard the prosecutor say that. Why was the building disfigured? For no reason. Such acts never have any reason, unless it?s the vanity of some second-handers who feel they have a right to anyone?s property, spiritual or material. Who permitted them to do it? No particular man among the dozens in authority. No one cared to permit it or to stop it. No one was responsible. No one can be held to account. Such is the nature of all collective action.

 

I did not receive the payment I asked. But the owners of Cortlandt got what they needed from me. They wanted a scheme devised to build a structure as cheaply as possible. They found no one else who could do it to their satisfaction. I could and did. They took the benefit of my work and made me contribute it as a gift. But I am not an altruist. I do not contribute gifts of this nature.

 

It is said that I have destroyed the home of the destitute. It is forgotten that but for me the destitute could not have had this particular home. Those who were concerned with the poor had to come to me, who have never been concerned, in order to help the poor. It is believed that the poverty of the future tenants gave them the right to my work. That their need constituted a claim on my life. That it was my duty to contribute anything demanded of me. This is the second-hander?s credo now swallowing the world.

 

I came here to say that I do not recognize anyone?s right to one minute of my life. Nor to any part of my energy. Nor to any achievement of mine. No matter who makes the claim, how large their number or how great their need.

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I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others.

 

It had to be said. The world is perishing from an **** of self-sacrificing.

 

I wished to come here and say that the integrity of a man?s creative work is of greater importance than any charitable endeavor. Those of you who do not understand this are the men who?re destroying the world.

 

I wished to come here and state my terms. I do not care to exist on any others.

 

I recognize no obligations toward men except one: to respect their freedom and to take no part in a slave society. To my country, I wish to give the ten years which I will spend in jail if my country exists no longer. I will spend them in memory and in gratitude for what my country has been. It will be my act of loyalty, my refusal to live or work in what has taken its place.

 

My act of loyalty to every creator who ever lived and was made to suffer by the force responsible for the Cortlandt I dynamited. To every tortured hour of loneliness, denial, frustration, abuse he was made to spend?and to the battles he won. To every creator whose name is known?and to every creator who lived, struggled and perished unrecognized before he could achieve. To every creator who was destroyed in body or in spirit. To Henry Cameron. To Steven Mallory. To a man who doesn?t want to be named, but who is sitting in this courtroom and knows that I am speaking of him.?

[FrankGrimes]

I do tend to not agree with them though on myself being the most articulate person on this forum. I would say Johnmnyc, miss goddess, coopsgirl, Mrs. Cooper, Butterscotchgreer and FrankGrimes are all more knowledgeable about classic movies than I am.

 

I can safely say that I'm not in the knowledgeable classic film class. I'm very much a freshman on classic campus. I'm pretty sure you have seen more classics than I have, Dan.

[cashette]

"The Fountainhead " has always stayed with me. When I remember a line that a actor speaks in a movie, Dominique Franchon to Howard Roarke "I love you without dignity without respect, what can I say. Patricia Neal was perfect for this role, and Gary Cooper was too. This quote comes from my biography of Patricia Neal An UnQuiet Life by Stephen Michael Shearer.

 

Domininique to Howard "Will you marry me? I want to stay with you. We`ll take a house in some small town, and I`ll keep it for you. Don`t laugh, I can, I`ll cook, I`ll wash your clothes, I`ll scrub the floors."

 

If I enjoy a movie, it doesn`t matter to me what the critics say.

[FrankGrimes]

Hiya, Coop's Grungy Band Girl -- The Gary Cooper conversations are always great (even when we digress into a bunch of silly girls swooning over his looks) and the off topic stuff is always interesting too.

 

Hold on one sec. There we go. I had to put on my v-neck t-shirt so that I could show some chest hair while also being "proper." Yes, I've seen quite a bit of silliness around here. It's always amusing to me. It provides great ammo for future teasing, too, Sugar B. By the way, nice blouse. Miss me?

 

I've never been in love with anyone myself and have only had a couple boyfriends. I'm not the type to stay with someone just to be with someone. If I see it's not going anywhere I break it off. I definitely want to get married someday (hopefully not too far off) but until then I have plenty of friends and hobbies to keep me happy.

 

I hear ya. Hey, I've seen a picture of you, so I'm convinced you'll get married soon enough. Your likes should make it easy for you to connect with guys, too. Well, that is, unless you are saying, "well, Gary wouldn't do that and Gary wouldn't do this." Hey, maybe you'll find a hot guy like that Ben Murphy. Say, have you seen my patent papers?

 

I can't wait to hear your thoughts on Peter Ibbetson and The Fountainhead which I may get around to finishing one of these days.

 

I actually think this is what Dan craves on this thread right now. He wants somebody who hasn't seen Coop's films to talk about them. Fresh thoughts. I really should make the effort to provide this kind of energy on this thread for him (and I think John, too). I will be looking to buy the box set later today.

 

It seems strange to have one of his movies and not watch it but man it's a tough one to get through.

 

And you call yourself a Coop fan. I'm appalled. Tough it out, girl. I'm sure you are much tougher than that superficial weakling, Miss G. "Oh, it's too violent. There's not enough romance. It's going to have a bad ending. Talk, talk, talk." She's got a million of 'em.

 

For example, Theresa and I are going to an ice hockey game in Austin tonight and I'm really excited about it. She goes all the time but it will be my first one and then next year I'm gonna take her to an Astros game.

 

Let's see, my favorite sport is baseball and my second favorite sport is... hockey. Hmmm. That ButterscotchGreer gal is full of surprises. She's definitely not Mel Torme'.

 

Se?orita Gatita -- Well, well, well! When the Cat is away look what mouse finally comes out to play! Last night I had one of the most fun evenings I've spent in a long time at the NY Film Festival and when I got in I thought for minute about logging on and immediately posting my impressions of the two films I saw. I rarely resist an impulse and now I see I shouldn't have broken precedent; you all have been having the most interesting conversation we've had here in days!

 

I would have scurried off into the night if you were loose.

 

speaking for myself and maybe that's not much

 

Uh-huh. Continue.

 

We really do need a man's perspective on things sometimes and since Mr. Grimes is so unpredictable, we depend on you!

 

I hate it when you're right. Ooohhh, I just used the word "hate", and look who it's for. And please, will you get it right, I'm not "unpredictable", I'm unreliable.

 

Eliminating myself, you have some really good people here who are very compassionate and I think can stimulate and cheer you if you let it happen.

 

Really good people, compassion, stimulation, and cheer. Yep, that definitely eliminates you. Don't even attempt to reach for that wet noodle of yours, either.

 

I made my companion last night laugh at my insistence on these points because, like you, I can get too down if I watch too many tragic endings. That's why I've become such an expert at pressing "stop" before the credits roll. One of my many "faults". That said, it's amazing how many tragic love stories I have in my dvd collection---you name it, I probably have it and love to wallow in it. Very contradictory, I know.

 

Oh, my. Turn left, no right, left, LEFT, I mean, RIGHT! Did anyone bring breadcrumbs for this glorious maze?

 

And Frank is right (as usual)

 

Stop those presses, Dan! We've got a newsflash. Why do I sense a retraction is on the way? Well, it's too late for that, because the cat has jumped out of the bag. Sadly, I think it's going to get hit by a car.

 

LuckyDan -- Well honk my hooters, look who stopped in for a bite to eat. I really don't know how you pried yourself away from the Marilyn thread. Miss G has lit that thread up with some amazing photos. It's been quite a show the past few days.

 

So where do bad girls go to be themselves?

 

 

It's a town called "Wherever." Ask Miss G for directions.

 

Mrs. Flown the Coop -- I have a feeling I'll be visiting the noir threads quite often! It's a whole new world on that side of town -- and it's exciting.

 

Quite often and exciting? Is that so? You better watch yourself.

 

I hope to see you around there sometime, April!!

 

She'll be there, but she's far from a sweet "April" in that world. Ain't that right, Miss Gun for Hire?

 

Us girls could really turn a place like that upside down

 

Ohhh, crap. You're gonna hang up curtains, aren't you? Wait 'til Dewey and Ken hear about this. Okay, we're gonna have to plan this out. Here's the plan: you don't know me. We've never spoken a word to each other. Got it? Good.

[CoopfanDan]

Ok I just watched the courtroom speech again for the first time in a long time and it is not how I remembered it. My mind remembers the speach as being more powerful than what it seemed that Gary now gives it in re-watching it. It is also changed somewhat from the book version, which I thought I had read was a major thing that Rand fought against. If I remember correctly I had read that Rand would not allow one word to be changed in the speech but this does not seem to be the case when trying to follow along with the speech as Gary Cooper delivered it. I have read that Gary was not happy at all with how the speech turned out and admitted that he blew it big time with his delivery of the lines. I would tend to aggree that it is in no where near as powerful of a delivery as I had remembered it. Another point that I read on imdb on it was the following:

 

"Writer Ayn Rand worked as an extra in Hollywood when she came to the U.S. from Russia, and she promptly became a fan of Cooper. When her novel "The Fountainhead" was made into a film, Rand was thrilled that Cooper was starring. Cooper's speech in a courtroom is one that Rand worked on for a very long time. When filming was over, Cooper admitted to her that he hadn't understood it."

 

This is not a far stretch for me to believe as I personally have trouble following along with it but do understand it more when reading it than when trying to listen to it in the courtroom scene. It is a very wordy speech with a sentence structure that is pretty complex and concepts that are also quite complex at times. I think the basic view on this is that man creates things not for what people may think of it or how they will use it but because he has a desire in him to do something that has never been done before. It is something that he or she creates out of his or her mind and it not always for the benifit of the human race. I am sure that the Wright Brothers had an obsession to make the first flying plane and worked day and night at it and am quite sure this was not for others but just because they wanted to see the plane fly. Likewise I am sure that Olympic athletes are completly self centerd in trying to win gold medals and set world records. They do not do this to benifit others but are doing this entirely for themselves to prove that they can break a record. I have no argument with this concept at all. However, I do think that some things are invented and done with the desire to do it for the benifit of the human race in mind. This may be a bad example but the atomic bomb I am sure was not worked on by the U.S. by self seeking and self serving scientists. There was a tremendous race to get this made and working before the Germans made it in order to bring an end to the war and win it. This was something that was worked on with the entire fate of the United States and their allies in mind. There are many examples going both ways if you think about it long enough and don't think the entire Rand philosphy holds up though for an architect, painter or a great many scientific proffesions self serving may be the number one goal that motivates people to create things that have never been done before. The speech does motivate me in other areas of being a trend setter and not a trend follower. Being your own man or lady regardless of what others think and liking and doing things because you like them and not because the masses expect you to like them or do them. It is the basic view of standing by your own principles that I like most about this movie and what I like about most of Gary's movies.

[MissGoddess]

Domininique to Howard "Will you marry me? I want to stay with you. We`ll take a house in some small town, and I`ll keep it for you. Don`t laugh, I can, I`ll cook, I`ll wash your clothes, I`ll scrub the floors."

 

Hey, Cashette---that's nothing, I'd build the house it was for Gary Cooper!

[MissGoddess]

Dan---I really admire your individualism, Dan, stick to your guns. A man should always do what he believes is right and nothing out of fear of what others will think.

 

Frank---very nice of you stop by. The day is half over---have you bought the Cooper box set? No pressure, of course.

[coopsgirl]

*Hey, maybe you'll find a hot guy like that Ben Murphy. Say, have you seen my patent papers?*

 

Okay it took me several minutes to stop laughing!!!! At least you didn't say Torgo or Joe Don Baker or I'd have to stop talking with you (ha!). That's one of my fave episodes and I actually call my car (yes I name my cars) Muskrat Suzie. So this is who you'll think I'll end up with huh?

 

 

I could say something like I hope you'll find a Mamie Van Doren one day but I think this may be more your speed.

 

 

*Hold on one sec. There we go. I had to put on my v-neck t-shirt so that I could show some chest hair while also being "proper."*

 

Again you're cracking me up! Hey I can't help it I see this and I go weak all over.

 

 

P.S. - You're as elusive as Robert Denby!!

 

April - those pics from *Love in the Afternoon* are absolutely gorgeous. The colors are so beautiful and vibrant and they really do look like new photos. It's neat to get to see all that stuff, and obviously Audrey and Gary, in color.

[FrankGrimes]

The day is half over---have you bought the Cooper box set? No pressure, of course.

 

 

 

[FrankGrimes]

Hi, Torgo's Girl -- At least you didn't say Torgo or Joe Don Baker or I'd have to stop talking with you (ha!).

 

Hey, I like that blouse you are wearing today. Why are you making that face at me? Yeah, that face.

 

That's one of my fave episodes and I actually call my car (yes I name my cars) Muskrat Suzie.

 

I love the first part of "Ridin' with Death."

 

So does KITT talk to you, too?

 

So this is who you'll think I'll end up with huh?

 

Naaah. I think you deserve much better. I see you with Dan Kester in The Giant Spider Invasion. Love that pant suit of yours, by the way. Go Packers!

 

I could say something like I hope you'll find a Mamie Van Doren one day but I think this may be more your speed.

 

I think I'd be "ridin' with death" in that scenario. She's a serious handful.

 

You're as elusive as Robert Denby!!

 

Touche'. Well, I'm off to Menard's. I've gotta get a gift for my good friend, Martin. Thanks for the suggestion. He's gonna love it. Signed: Nick Rivers.

 

So will Mr. Unreliable actually take the time to watch a Coop film or two this week? Who wants to spin the wheel of broken promises? I will say that I cannot take a Coop plunge until I save an icy blonde from drowning herself in the Bay first. Priorities, don't you know.

[Brando4ever]

I started a Gary Cooper Yahoo group if any one is interested.

 

Here's the link:

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cowboy_Cooper/?yguid=323093805

 

Also a Clark Gable:

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClarkGablelovers/?yguid=323093805

 

Joel McCrea:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Joel_McCrea_fans/?yguid=323093805

 

Errol Flynn:

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/ErrolFlynn4Ever/?yguid=323093805

 

 

if anyone is interested please join my groups!!!!

[coopsgirl]

*Naaah. I think you deserve much better. I see you with Dan Kester in The Giant Spider Invasion.* *Love that pant suit of yours, by the way. Go Packers!*

 

Wow! Can I go back to Ben Murphy please?! Actually I kinda always had a crush on Brett Halsey (aka. Big Stupid) from *Girl in Lovers Lane*.

 

 

*So does KITT talk to you, too?*

 

Why did you have to bring up *Knight Rider*. ^Flashes back to the days when she had an intense crush on David Hasselhoff and used to write about how we were going to be married in a little pink *Poochie* diary.^ Boy am I glad my tastes have changed!!

 

Whenever you get that blonde out of the water go watch some of Gary's movies and then report back here pronto or I will sic Tor Johnson on you!!

 

[MissGoddess]

You're making progress, Mr Grimes.

 

And, there were some pins in my hair....