TheExtraGirl Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Can anyone tell if the version of Mr. Arkadin that was shown on TCM the other day is the 'new version' Criterion put together for their DVD set? I'd love to add it to my Welles collection but the dubbing was driving me crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExtraGirl Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 I'm still not sure about it either, but I have a hunch that what TCM aired wasn't the new version - according to the DVD specs, the 2006 version is titled "Mr. Arkadin" - but during the opening credits on TCM it was called "Confidential Report". That sale looks great - we're not likely to find it any cheaper than it is now. It's Friday and payday so I think I'm going to treat myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemAL Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Well if you buy let me know if there is a version that has synced audio, I almost am willing to buy just based on the extras. Thanks, Al I checked my taped version just shown on TCM....that was Confidential Report. Message was edited by: CinemAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oobleckboy Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hey CinemAL, I'm a big Welles fan (is there anyother kind?). As far as synching audio on the Criterion 3 DVD set -- no, sorry. I don't think it'll ever happen, but who knows - one day maybe. The Criterion Collection set is very good, the so called "Comprehensive Version" (Disc #3) is the best I've ever seen - and by a long shot. If you don't want to buy it try renting (it's on Netflix, Blockbuster.com and several others). There are MORE than 3 versions of Arkadin floating around, but this set is the hot stuff. Peter Bogdanovich appears in the 20 min. featurette on the Comprehensive version. The Corinth version (Disc #1) is the only one of the three versions with a DVD commentary track, by film critic Jonathan Rosenbaum (brilliant critic who compared 7 different versions of Arkadin for Film Comment in 1992 ) and Welles scholar James Naremore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemAL Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Thanks for the info Mr. O. (Might I call you Mr. O?) . On the audio issue can you tell if the audio is simply out of sync or is it entirely different audio altogether and won't match up with the lips at all even if put in sync? So you would say the Comp. Version has the most synced audio? I am a videographer and might be able to put a version in sync for home purposes. I think I am going to buy it anyway one day as I am a fan of Bogdanovich. How is the commentarty track by the critic? This can really be a selling point as I discovered the other day as I watched The Train by Frankenheimer whose commentary is really interesting. Thanks, Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiller Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 The audio for any version of Arkadin is never going to be completely synched up because Welles redubbed all the audio during post-production, sometimes altering/improving dialogue months after the scene had been filmed. So there are many places where a character says one line on-screen, but actually says a slightly different line on the soundtrack. For whatever reason, Welles seems to have assumed that viewers wouldn't mind. (And since he was working in Europe, where international productions and post-production dubbing were the norm in the 1950s, perhaps his reasons were justified.) The commentary track on disc 1 is actually pretty good. I haven't listened to it for months, but I remember being impressed. The critics talk about the audio sync problems, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinemAL Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Thanks Quiller - I think I have gotten enough info that I want to purchase now. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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