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Just testing to see if we can combine all this discussion under one thread.

The US stock market declined on day after Iowa caucus'.  Chiefly attributed to further decline in crude oil prices.  However the Republican and Democratic results from Iowa may have been an influence as well.

Incidentally, based on Wikipedia information, it appears Ted Cruz has never really had a non-government job except for one year as an attorney.  And that appears to have been working on government related assignments. 

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Incidentally, based on Wikipedia information, it appears Ted Cruz has never really had a non-government job except for one year as an attorney.  And that appears to have been working on government related assignments.

 

But...but...but he's a Washington outsider! I know, cuz he told me!

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Only in your mind and in the minds of some fools in the media was Trump supposed to WIN Iowa.   Folks in the know assumed Cruz would beat out Trump since Cruz is a religious nut case and Trump is not (e.g. 3 marriages).   

 

Either way Iowa doesn't matter much based on the outcomes of past primaries.   Just ask Huckaboo and Ricky. 

Nope, he and the polls, as well as the media, kept saying he was going to win Iowa.  Cruz was a come from behind because he had an organization working hard, though not well publicized.  He also capitalized on the evangelical vote, which Trump ignored until too late.  "Iowa doesn't matter," but the current two-term President won the Iowa primary in 2008.

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jamesjazzguitar, on 02 Feb 2016 - 6:20 PM, said:snapback.png

Like I said the GOP did away with 'winner takes all'  in all the early primaries.  This clearly helps non 'winners'.    To me this clearly means that the spread (difference in number of delegates each candidate is awarded),  is what is important NOT who got the MOST delegates.     Since the spread wasn't large it is very easy for 2nd and 3rd place candidate to 'make up the spread' in the next round of primaries.   This will continue until the winner take all primary start.    Therefore one can't say who is 'winning' until some of the large state winner take all primaries are over.    Rubio is the one really counting on this;  IF can remain in 3rd place but NOT too far behind Cruz and Trump and he can win Winner takes all Florida,  he could pass those two with one 'true' win.

Winning, in the sense used before the caucuses, was placing first.  Everybody knows that.

 
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Exit poll last night - the question "As a Democrat, who is most trustworthy to you?"

 

Result:

 

Sanders - 83 percent

Clinton- 10 percent

 

The people are catching on.

Interesting.  Only 10% think she is trustworthy, but 48.9% voted for her?  83% thought Sanders was trustworthy, but 48.6% voted for him.  Or was this at the Republican caucuses?

Maybe trust is not as important as perceived ability to actually do the job of President.

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Rand Paul has joined Huckabee in dropping out of Republican primary.  Wonder how many more will follow soon?

Also appears there is going to be a fight for the evangelicals, especially in S.C.  

 

If today I had to predict who would win the GOP nomination I would say it will be Rubio.   The establishment candidates are dropping out and establishment money and power from folks like Rove and others will get behind Rubio.   Since Trump and Cruz are so disliked by so many in their own party I just don't see either of them beating the GOP establishment favorite as long as the establishment picks ONE candidate, early enough, to get behind.     

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Prediction (to be changed by events).  Cruz will win S.C. (evangelicals and better organization) with Trump coming in second. Rubio (if he gets his act together) probably come in third, but could be Bush or Kasich.


For Dems., it's a toss-up.  The African-Americans that Clinton needs probably won't bother to vote in large numbers, but the young probably will.


Reminder, the GOP primary in SC is Feb. 20 and Dem is Feb 27.  If you vote in GOP, can't vote in Dem.  But all voters can vote in whichever primary they choose.


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Trump won't release tax returns & Clinton won't reveal Wall St. speeches....

 

"Either Trump is lying about undergoing such an audit as an excuse not to release his returns, or the IRS has found that his most recent return includes an error considerably bigger than a simple oversight.

Whatever the truth, an audit should not preclude releasing his returns.

 

"Trump can keep using that excuse for months to come. He certainly seemed to have no intention to release his returns before next week’s 12 Republican primaries.

At the same time, Hillary Clinton has yet to release transcripts of her speeches for cash at Goldman Sachs.

So we approach the primaries with the leading Republican candidate and the leading Democratic candidate refusing to provide information that could be critical in making a clearheaded decision.

 

Call it Stupor Tuesday."

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/26/trump-now-on-his-third-new-reason-to-not-release-tax-returns.html

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Trump won't release tax returns & Clinton won't reveal Wall St. speeches....

 

"Either Trump is lying about undergoing such an audit as an excuse not to release his returns, or the IRS has found that his most recent return includes an error considerably bigger than a simple oversight.

Whatever the truth, an audit should not preclude releasing his returns.

 

"Trump can keep using that excuse for months to come. He certainly seemed to have no intention to release his returns before next week’s 12 Republican primaries.

At the same time, Hillary Clinton has yet to release transcripts of her speeches for cash at Goldman Sachs.

So we approach the primaries with the leading Republican candidate and the leading Democratic candidate refusing to provide information that could be critical in making a clearheaded decision.

 

Call it Stupor Tuesday."

 

 

Actually, Clinton has stated that she will release transcripts when Republican candidates release transcripts of their speechs to similar events.

When you consider partisan groups and the medias' penchant for jumping on one or a few statements, can understand why nobody would want to release transcripts of previous speeches.

Also, surely someone that was there recorded the speech or there were enough copies of it on paper or in the "ether" that it is already out there?

As for audit preventing release of tax returns.  Seriously doubt that is true.  Perhaps he is afraid that if he releases the returns, people will begin to question many things in them?  Then the IRS auditors will begin to look more closely than they are now?

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Actually, Clinton has stated that she will release transcripts when Republican candidates release transcripts of their speechs to similar events.

 

Another evil ploy from the acid queen.

 

Republicans are not the ones running on the idea of breaking up the big banks or otherwise reducing their power.

 

Democrats are the ones running on that. Hillary is running on it only because that's what Sanders has been running on since day 1. But Sanders knows she's lying - and if her speeches were known to the public, so would everyone else.

 

Because the Republicans aren't running to tame the banks, there's no reason whatsoever for them to release any speeches they've made to those banks. There sure as hell is a reason for Clinton to have to do so, though - seeing as how she's making a claim that is not backed up by her history (what else is new).

 

This attempt to distract people by pretending that her release of speeches is a form of victimization is typical Clinton bull**** chicanery

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I watched parts of Clinton's S.C. victory speech last night.  That is the speech she should have been giving all along.  Maybe now she can get fired up, tell the people what they need to hear and just ignore all the blather about her emails, Wall St. speeches, ad. infinitum.

She's running for the future of America and to make it greater.

As she said "America is Great."

Best thing Sanders could do is admit he can't win and support Clinton.  Actually that might hurt Clinton because the GOPers would pounce on it to attack Clinton.

If Sanders wins nomination, Trump wins Presidency and Republicans win overwhelming control of both houses of Congress, Supreme Court, state legislatures, governorships and county councils.  For decades to come.

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see more here: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

 

Super Tuesday Results
March 1, 2016, 11:55 PM ET
Republicans Ala. 50 del. Ark. 40 Ga. 76 Mass. 42 Minn. 38 Okla. 43 Tenn. 58 Tex. 155 Vt. 16 Va. 49 Alaska 28 Delegates Donald J. Trump 44% 34% 39% 49% 21% 28% 40% 27% 33% 35% 0% 257 (+175) Ted Cruz 21 30 24 10 29 34 25 43 10 17 0 106 (+89) Marco Rubio 18 25 24 18 36 26 21 17 19 32 0 67 (+51) John Kasich 4 4 6 18 6 4 5 4 31 9 0 23 (+17) Ben Carson 10 6 6 3 7 6 8 4 4 6 0 8 (+3) Reporting 83% 60 92 91 88 100 96 56 84 99 Midnight ET 1,237 to win
Lead
Win
Democrats Ala. 60 del. Ark. 37 Colo. 79 Ga. 116 Mass. 116 Minn. 93 Okla. 42 Tenn. 76 Tex. 252 Vt. 26 Va. 110 Delegates Hillary Clinton 79% 68% 41% 71% 51% 41% 42% 66% 66% 14% 64% 508 (+417) Bernie Sanders 18 28 58 28 48 59 52 33 32 86 35 295 (+230) Reporting 84% 60 54 92 92 56 100 96 57 85 99 2,383 to win
Lead
Win

 

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It's disappointing to see that Clinton eked out a 1 percent win in Massachusetts. As usual, Boston fights it out with Philly over who's the stupidest major city people in the nation.

 

It's becoming clear from the results that all the "fear of socialism" seems to be in the South. The northern states tend to have much better sense, going for Sanders.

 

The South, as always, will prevent America from ever becoming a great country it seems. It may always be keeping it going backwards, with almost no signs of growth there. It's such a shame. If I were a border state like Minnesota, or North Dakota, or Oregon, I'd probably try to leave the U.S. and become a province of Canada. Just separate from the southern dregs once and for all.

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It's disappointing to see that Clinton eked out a 1 percent win in Massachusetts. As usual, Boston fights it out with Philly over who's the stupidest major city people in the nation.

 

It's becoming clear from the results that all the "fear of socialism" seems to be in the South. The northern states tend to have much better sense, going for Sanders.

 

The South, as always, will prevent America from ever becoming a great country it seems. It may always be keeping it going backwards, with almost no signs of growth there. It's such a shame. If I were a border state like Minnesota, or North Dakota, or Oregon, I'd probably try to leave the U.S. and become a province of Canada. Just separate from the southern dregs once and for all.

 

Well, Bill certainly did his part to screw up the voting in a couple of locations in Massachusetts. 

 

Bill Clinton Appearance Outside New Bedford Polling Place Raises Questions

 

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-new-bedford-video/

 

Unless he was voting, he had no business being inside a polling place, and we all know that's not where he's registered anyway.  He knew exactly what he was doing.  You wonder just how low they are willing to go to achieve their ends.

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I can't believe it.  It's as if Ann Coulter has been reading my mind, tweeting this on Tues. evening:

 

"Hillary is winning all the states where Dems don't have a chance in the general election; Bernie winning Dem/swing states."

 

That's why it'll be interesting to see how the race proceeds from here now that most of the South is done voting.

 

 

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