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Question for you: will this divisiveness with the Republican Congress that Obama is experiencing be any better with Clinton?  I tend to think it could be worse for a number of reasons.

I'm not saying it would be any better with Bernie either.  Perhaps there is no hope?

Probably would not be quite as divisive.  As long as she keeps Bill on the road or something.

Remember, Republicans in Congress are divisive because their constituents hate Obama and they must respond to that.  Those same constituents would hate Sanders moreso than Clinton.

Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do not like any of the three.  And the Democrats have failed to encourage and raise up any moderates who might be able to work with some of the Republicans.

However, yes we are in for a very long run of bitter divisiveness from the elected Republicans in Congress, in governorships and state legislatures.  Only end to it will be when GOP has 60+ senators and a majority in the House and an extremist GOPer in the White House.

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Probably would not be quite as divisive.  As long as she keeps Bill on the road or something.

Remember, Republicans in Congress are divisive because their constituents hate Obama and they must respond to that.  Those same constituents would hate Sanders moreso than Clinton.

Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do not like any of the three.  And the Democrats have failed to encourage and raise up any moderates who might be able to work with some of the Republicans.

However, yes we are in for a very long run of bitter divisiveness from the elected Republicans in Congress, in governorships and state legislatures.  Only end to it will be when GOP has 60+ senators and a majority in the House and an extremist GOPer in the White House.

 

It seems it is their way or the highway.  Not very promising and a bit outrageous how they can hold a country hostage.

If most of these 'angry' republicans are older white males I can see them giving Hillary a rougher ride than Obama.  Just my observation.  It's more to do with personality and being a woman than it is issues.

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Remember, Republicans in Congress are divisive because their constituents hate Obama and they must respond to that. Those same constituents would hate Sanders moreso than Clinton.

 

Yes, Republicans in Congress are well aware that Clinton is really one of them.

 

Hillary, like Bill, masquerades as a liberal - actors in political theater. But they give everything to the right and the Corporate State that they can swing in return for money and lots of it. The military absolutely own Hillary - she's a war-m0ngering hawk of the first order who will keep the war machine well-greased.

 

So many of the "people" are completely fooled, though. The Clintons are brilliant con artists, though they do have the entire Democratic Establishment - who have also enriched their own individual selves through Bill's traitorship to the working class - behind them, using the Corporate Media as its most effective tool in keeping the people fooled.

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It seems it is their way or the highway.  Not very promising and a bit outrageous how they can hold a country hostage.

If most of these 'angry' republicans are older white males I can see them giving Hillary a rougher ride than Obama.  Just my observation.  It's more to do with personality and being a woman than it is issues.

Possibly, but I think it would be more of a fear that she is actually more experienced in many areas and might actually be a threat to their domination of Congress and thereby the government.

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Corey Robin in Salon explained how the Clintons rose to power on this reactionary agenda. The Clintons, and the Democratic establishment, he wrote, repudiated the progressive agenda of the Jackson campaign and used coded language, especially regarding law and order, to appeal to the racism of white voters. The Clintons and the party mandarins ruthlessly disenfranchised those Jackson had mobilized.

 

The death of Mr. Scalia will underscore the importance of what it means to have a Democrat in the White House. A President's appointees to the Supreme Court represent perhaps the biggest long-range impact that a President can have. President Clinton appointed Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Does that sound reactionary? 

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Would I ever. And I'm a socialist.

 

He's an *******! And he could get elected. As Bill Maher would say, the American voters are not smart, although they've somehow elected a smart POTUS twice in a row. Why would you even want to know what Trump would do in the White House?

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He's an *******! And he could get elected.

 

Sure is and sure could. He came off great in that last debate - he demolished the other candidates.

 

I wish Sanders could announce that Warren will be his running mate. Then we'd see lots of women switching from Hillary to Bernie right quick.

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Sure is and sure could. He came off great in that last debate - he demolished the other candidates.

 

I wish Sanders could announce that Warren will be his running mate. Then we'd see lots of women switching from Hillary to Bernie right quiT

 

The Republican Party is on its last legs as a viable entity -- just look at their presidential candidates. And that's why they're so freaked out about the Supreme Court vacancy while Obama's still president. They're likely to lose the Senate in November and they realize that if the Clintons are restored to power, they're toast. That's a triple play among all three branches of power!

 

And you'd rather take your ball and go home if Hillary wins the nomination? What if I took the same approach if Bernie wins?

 

P.S. As for Warren, she's smart enough to stay out of the fray for now. It's to her benefit to let the progressive debate play on.

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The Republican Party is on its last legs as a viable entity.

 

Yes, it's absolutely on its last legs as a viable entity. That the electorate has given it both the Congress and the Senate in recent elections - and consistently gives it close to 50 percent of the vote in Presidential elections - are just tricks the American public likes to play on Republican politicians.

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The Republican Party is on its last legs as a viable entity

 

So, that's why they control the US Senate and have an overwhelming majority in the US House?  Not to mention, more state governorships and state legislatures and county councils?  And until a couple of days ago, control of the Supreme Court.

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So, that's why they control the US Senate and have an overwhelming majority in the US House?  Not to mention, more state governorships and state legislatures and county councils?  And until a couple of days ago, control of the Supreme Court.

 

If you kill the head, the body will die. Once the Republicans lose the Senate -- their midterm gains in 2014 were deceptive -- you'll see what I mean. It'll be a different story with an Obama majority on the Supreme Court (underestimate him again at your peril!) and a Democrat in the White House for another four years.

 

The triple play would render the annoying state and local GOP majorities as relatively inconsequential. But they will be around for a while because they cheat -- I mean redistrict.

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Sure is and sure could. He came off great in that last debate - he demolished the other candidates.

 

I wish Sanders could announce that Warren will be his running mate. Then we'd see lots of women switching from Hillary to Bernie right quick.

Now that would really help Hillary with the nomination.  At least Elizabeth Warren is smart enough to know that liberal Mass. politics do not appeal to most Americans.  Too bad Pelosi never learned that.

A Sanders-Warren ticket?  Hell, Trump could demolish that without even campaigning, let alone any other Republican.

Bottom line folks is still:  Who can win in November?  Whose coattails can pull more Dems. into Congress and the state and county offices?

BTW, Ginsberg is almost 83.  Next President will likely appoint her replacement.

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The right-wing hate machine was founded on the back of the Clintons in the 90s. Limbaugh, Boortz, etc on the radio spent hours everyday fomenting outrage and animosity towards Bill and Hillary. When Hillary first attempted healthcare reform while she was First Lady, they ripped her to shreds. By the end of Bill's second term, there was no more hated person in America by the right-wing than Hillary Clinton. I know, I used to hear it everyday on the radio. That venomous loathing carried over to Fox News and the ever expanding conservative radio propaganda machine with new, powerful voices like Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingram.

 

So yes, the Republican establishment would hate Sanders, and refuse to work with him, but Hillary is an old, seasoned hatred that's grown and festered for 25 years. If/when she gets elected, I honestly think the rancor will be worse than it has been with Obama.

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The right-wing hate machine was founded on the back of the Clintons in the 90s. Limbaugh, Boortz, etc on the radio spent hours everyday fomenting outrage and animosity towards Bill and Hillary. When Hillary first attempted healthcare reform while she was First Lady, they ripped her to shreds. By the end of Bill's second term, there was no more hated person in America by the right-wing than Hillary Clinton. I know, I used to hear it everyday on the radio. That venomous loathing carried over to Fox News and the ever expanding conservative radio propaganda machine with new, powerful voices like Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingram.

 

So yes, the Republican establishment would hate Sanders, and refuse to work with him, but Hillary is an old, seasoned hatred that's grown and festered for 25 years. If/when she gets elected, I honestly think the rancor will be worse than it has been with Obama.

 

I remember. I used to listen to Rush before I wised up and started watching Keith Olbermann on msnbc (and, boy, is he missed)! I've even forgiven him for dating Ingraham!

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The right-wing hate machine was founded on the back of the Clintons in the 90s. Limbaugh, Boortz, etc on the radio spent hours everyday fomenting outrage and animosity towards Bill and Hillary. When Hillary first attempted healthcare reform while she was First Lady, they ripped her to shreds. By the end of Bill's second term, there was no more hated person in America by the right-wing than Hillary Clinton. I know, I used to hear it everyday on the radio. That venomous loathing carried over to Fox News and the ever expanding conservative radio propaganda machine with new, powerful voices like Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingram.

 

So yes, the Republican establishment would hate Sanders, and refuse to work with him, but Hillary is an old, seasoned hatred that's grown and festered for 25 years. If/when she gets elected, I honestly think the rancor will be worse than it has been with Obama.

However, she also served two full terms in the Senate and as Secretary of State.  So she knows the people and the system.  She is also more pragmatic than Obama or Sanders.  

Republicans hate losing, especially when God told them they were right and are ordained to run the USA the way they see fit.  They also hate that while Bill was President, a lot of good things happened in US despite him personally being so worthless. So maybe, they are just transferring their hatred of Bill (and any Democrat) to Hillary?

Incidentally, in '92, Clinton won because it was about the economy and GHW Bush thought he could ride the Desert Storm victory to another term.  The current situations in Europe, China, US and oil industry may be the undoing of any Democrat.

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And you'd rather take your ball and go home if Hillary wins the nomination? What if I took the same approach if Bernie wins?

 

Go home?

 

I'll vote for my second choice - Trump. I'm pretty sure I've said that a couple of times.

 

The only way I vote for Clinton is if neither Sanders nor Trump are available to be voted for.

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What a steaming pile of bull. Women and the left love Elizabeth. Hillary, even with the entire Establishment cheating for her, has nowhere near the love that Sanders-Warren would inspire.

 

Yes,  Women and the left love Elizabeth.    But as you noted the Dem party is NOT run by the left.   i.e. the Dem establishment is NOT govern by the left.      So the question still is;  are their enough 'true' liberals in the Dem party to elect Sanders as their nominee? 

 

I really don't know but I do feel it is way more possible today than it was,  say,  6 months ago.

 

(in addition Hillary just isn't a very good politician so that helps Sanders as well).  

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The right-wing hate machine was founded on the back of the Clintons in the 90s. Limbaugh, Boortz, etc on the radio spent hours everyday fomenting outrage and animosity towards Bill and Hillary. When Hillary first attempted healthcare reform while she was First Lady, they ripped her to shreds. By the end of Bill's second term, there was no more hated person in America by the right-wing than Hillary Clinton. I know, I used to hear it everyday on the radio. That venomous loathing carried over to Fox News and the ever expanding conservative radio propaganda machine with new, powerful voices like Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Laura Ingram.

 

So yes, the Republican establishment would hate Sanders, and refuse to work with him, but Hillary is an old, seasoned hatred that's grown and festered for 25 years. If/when she gets elected, I honestly think the rancor will be worse than it has been with Obama.

 

She'll accomplish nothing. Unless you think that making the odd speech in favour of continuing to fund Planned Parenthood is something. Sanders will do that.

 

The corruption will absolutely continue under her. Might continue under him as well, but unlike her, he'll rail against it genuinely (not phony like her as she continues making private deals with her banker friends).

 

A Hillary presidency will be worse than a waste of time - though at a minimum it will be that.

 

If another Justice dies or retires she might nominate someone reasonable - but Sanders would nominate someone even better!

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Incidentally, in '92, Clinton won because it was about the economy and GHW Bush thought he could ride the Desert Storm victory to another term.  The current situations in Europe, China, US and oil industry may be the undoing of any Democrat.

 

The truly sad thing was that Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall became ill during Bush 41's administration. He had vowed to stay on the Court, but I suppose he gave up hope that a Democrat would win the White House in 1992. So he decided to step down -- and Bush 41 gave us Clarence Thomas, who's now second in seniority on the High Court. 

 

Marshall died at the age of 84 on January 24, 1993 -- four days after Clinton was inaugurated.

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Yes,  Women and the left love Elizabeth.    But as you noted the Dem party is NOT run by the left.   i.e. the Dem establishment is NOT govern by the left.      So the question still is;  are their enough 'true' liberals in the Dem party to elect Sanders as their nominee? 

 

If there aren't, then Sanders won't win. The biggest obstacle at the moment is from frightened people trying to scare his supporters and undecideds that supporting him is a mistake.

 

I see supporting the system as it exists as the mistake.

 

Sanders wants to change it, Hillary doesn't - no matter how much she bald-face lies about it.

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However, she also served two full terms in the Senate and as Secretary of State. So she knows the people and the system.

The right spent a tremendous amount of time, money, and energy trying to destroy Hillary while she was in both jobs.

 

I'm not trying to suggest people should vote for Bernie because Republicans hate Clinton. I was simply stating that, like Bogie said, they won't work with Sanders OR Clinton. This idea that she's more practical and has experience implies that either one matters to Capitol Hill Republicans. They openly state that they feel their election to national office is not to work for their constituents, but to stop any and every Democratic initiative that comes along, regardless of content, even if it's something they themselves promoted six months earlier.

 

The US system of government has been on life support for the last 20+ years, and it may be flatlined. I'll vote, and do my part to support my beliefs, but I think it's never going to change, save for some massive, major disruption in the status quo (cataclysmic natural disaster, nuclear war, environmental catastrophe, etc).

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