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African-Americans for Clinton? You Really Should Read This


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Wasn't that a guy called Obama?

 

Yes, clearly Obama is another example.   As you know there have been many populist political movements.   While some are able to make gains by assisting in the election of politicians that further their agenda most have a short and fairly unproductive run.   What occurs most often is the establishment (mainstream) pick up some of their ideas (agenda) and make them their own. 

 

But in most cases change occurs slowly.   e.g. the 60s progressive movement pushed agenda items.   While women-rights and civil rights made gains as a result of this movement the work still continues and changes like the legalization of pot didn't start until fairly recently (and of course still NOT legal by the Feds).     In addition the civil rights movement didn't even address equal rights for gays.   It took over 40 years for there to be enough support for what should have occurred as part of the civil rights movement.

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Yes, clearly Obama is another example.   As you know there have been many populist political movements.   While some are able to make gains by assisting in the election of politicians that further their agenda most have a short and fairly unproductive run.   What occurs most often is the establishment (mainstream) pick up some of their ideas (agenda) and make them their own. 

 

But in most cases change occurs slowly.   e.g. the 60s progressive movement pushed agenda items.   While women-rights and civil rights made gains as a result of this movement the work still continues and changes like the legalization of pot didn't start until fairly recently (and of course still NOT legal by the Feds).     In addition the civil rights movement didn't even address equal rights for gays.   It took over 40 years for there to be enough support for what should have occurred as part of the civil rights movement.

My hometown newspaper for today showed as many arrests for marijuana possesion as anything else.  Of course, it was found incident to something else, such as a traffic stop or domestic complaint.

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Hillary recieved large African American support in South Carolina, and is getting the same up here in Michigan.

 

Apparently, her civil rights record doesn't bother African Americans as much as it seems to bother some WHITE CANADIANS who feel African AMERICANS should be.  AND give no hint as to why they even care.

 

Apparently, African Americans don't spend much time reading Truthdig!  :D

 

 

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Apparently, her civil rights record doesn't bother African Americans as much as it seems to bother some WHITE CANADIANS who feel African AMERICANS should be.  AND give no hint as to why they even care.

 

Canadians care about all people. We want everyone to know what it's like to live in a just society.

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I have to stick up for Canadians on this one, Hillary hasn't done a thing to help anyone. She probably thinks milk it still 25 cents a gallon.

 

Hillary also doesn't know the cost for a gallon of gas since she doesn't drive.   Just helping out here since you might of forgotten that.

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Hillary also doesn't know the cost for a gallon of gas since she doesn't drive.   Just helping out here since you might of forgotten that.

 

FDR didn't drive either. There's a big difference between a rich Democrat and a rich Republican (like Romney).  

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What I found most interesting about FDR was that many of the people in his own class hated him. They hated him because of the opportunities he gave poor and working class people in the New Deal.

 

That's the point. It's not about how much money a candidate has, it's about whether they use their position to further the interests of their "class," or try to help those less fortunate.

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Hillary recieved large African American support in South Carolina, and is getting the same up here in Michigan.

 

Apparently, her civil rights record doesn't bother African Americans as much as it seems to bother some WHITE CANADIANS who feel African AMERICANS should be.  AND give no hint as to why they even care.

 

Apparently, African Americans don't spend much time reading Truthdig!  :D

 

 

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The group that Hilary shown consistent interest in since the '70s is children of all races and situations. Children's rights was her legal specialty..

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I actually have begun to think that resistance to Mrs. Clinton is really a kind of veiled sexism.  And mentioning the African-American vote as you do sounds like you are diminishing the votes of citizens because of their color. Are you any better than Donald Trump?

 

Both are facts that are reported on daily in the media.  There is lots of resistance to Clinton whether her supporters like it or not.  It is there for many reasons and she knows it too.  Arguably it is unfair but that does not necessarily mean that she is the best candidate for everyone.

Bernie has not connected with black voters the way that Hillary has managed to do.  It is a fact.

You don't have to take things farther than that.

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Both are facts that are reported on daily in the media.  There is lots of resistance to Clinton whether her supporters like it or not.  It is simply there and she knows it too.  Arguably it is unfair but that does not necessarily mean that she is the best candidate for everyone.

Bernie has not connected with black voters the way that Hillary has managed to do.  It is a fact.

You don't have to take things farther than that.

 

That's true about the black voters, but in DB's posts he is making them sound like second-class citizens.  Like Bernie, who hasn't connected with them because he comes across as a doctrinaire, intellectual socialist; not someone who really feels for them.

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As of this morning, Sunday March 6, 10:00 am

 

Delegate count is:

 

Clinton   - 632

Sanders - 441

 

The 191 delegate difference can all be attributed to the black vote in southern states.

 

Weird.

 

It's weird they vote for the lesser of two evils?

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That's true about the black voters, but in DB's posts he is making them sound like second-class citizens.  Like Bernie, who hasn't connected with them because he comes across as a doctrinaire, intellectual socialist; not someone who really feels for them.

 

That didn't come across that way to me.  I think you are reading what you wish to see in his posts.  Not all people who dislike Cinton are sexist or racist.

DB has also said he is a Warren supporter and she is a woman too.

He has also said that in the absence of Hillary, Bernie would likely get all of her supporters in a general election.

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That didn't come across that way to me.  I think you are reading what you wish to see in his posts.  Not all people who dislike Cinton are sexist or racist.

DB has also said he is a Warren supporter and she is a woman too.

He has also said that in the absence of Hillary, Bernie would likely get all of her supporters in a general election.

 

Hillary has a strength (and tenacity) which some seem to find threatening. I suspect DB may be one of them. That doesn't mean they wouldn't support other women.

 

One doesn't have to "read" much into DB's posts (they are among the most unsubtle posts on the Board!) -- his vituperation speaks for itself.

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He has also said that in the absence of Hillary, Bernie would likely get all of her supporters in a general election.

That's an assumption I have to disagree with.  A lot of them would stay home.  A lot of people who would vote for Hillary in the general election would not vote for Sanders. 

I saw where someone supports Sanders naming Elizabeth Warren as his VP choice.  Now that would gurantee a Trump victory.

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That's true about the black voters, but in DB's posts he is making them sound like second-class citizens.  Like Bernie, who hasn't connected with them because he comes across as a doctrinaire, intellectual socialist; not someone who really feels for them.

 

You know, again that is an "assumption" on your part.  Every single African-American that I have seen interviewed has said they are voting for Hillary because they are more familiar with her.  Well fair enough.

I don't get why you have to go overboard in her defence by demeaning Bernie supporters and characterizing them so negatively: doctrinaire, racist, misogynist.  

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