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You know, again that is an "assumption" on your part.  Every single African-American that I have seen interviewed has said they are voting for Hillary because they are more familiar with her.  Well fair enough.

I don't get why you have to go overboard in her defence by demeaning Bernie supporters and characterizing them so negatively: doctrinaire, racist, mysonist.  

 

Can't one read 'because they are more familiar with her" as saying 'they don't wish to do their homework and just vote for who they know'?      

 

Of course studies have shown that name recognition alone is a primary factor in voting  (which is why signs with a politicians name that say nothing about their positions are posted all over town).  

 

As for the rest of your post,  you're on target.    Just a bunch of groundless assumptions about Bernie supporters.     At the end of the day Hillary will need many of those same supporters to win the general.

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You know, again that is an "assumption" on your part.  Every single African-American that I have seen interviewed has said they are voting for Hillary because they are more familiar with her.  Well fair enough.

I don't get why you have to go overboard in her defence by demeaning Bernie supporters and characterizing them so negatively: doctrinaire, racist, misogynist.  

 

Every remark any of us has ever made on this Board is an "assumption."  It's not a bad word. If you are looking for posters who go overboard, I suggest you start with your countryman!

 

(Of course I don't think everyone who doesn't like Clinton is sexist or racist. But there tends to be something nasty in the tone of people who don't like Clinton -- particularly some of the Sanders supporters. And to respond to criticism of Sanders' supporters (as some do) by saying something about Clinton supporters, is to respond as Trump does to Rubio -- not addressing the issue, but saying the equivalent of "It takes one to know one.")

 

I used to be offended when Trump was equated with Sanders. Not so much anymore -- there are a lot of similarities among their supporters. Maybe not in policy, but in tactic. (Now instead of addressing that, a Sanders supporter would say, "Clinton supporters are the same!")

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Every remark any of us has ever made on this Board is an "assumption."  It's not a bad word. If you are looking for posters who go overboard, I suggest you start with your countryman!

 

(Of course I don't think everyone who doesn't like Clinton is sexist or racist. But there tends to be something nasty in the tone of people who don't like Clinton -- particularly some of the Sanders supporters. And to respond to criticism of Sanders' supporters (as some do) by saying something about Clinton supporters, is to respond as Trump does to Rubio -- not addressing the issue, but saying the equivalent of "It takes one to know one.")

 

I used to be offended when Trump was equated with Sanders. Not so much anymore -- there are a lot of similarities among their supporters. Maybe not in policy, but in tactic. (Now instead of addressing that, a Sanders supporter would say, "Clinton supporters are the same!")

 

You brought up the issue of Sanders' supporters on the boards.  I just think you are going overboard.  He is Hillary's opponent.  His tactics are nothing like Trump's.  That's just lunacy.

When I mention the word "assumption" it has very much to do with your habit of reading into what people are writing and then classifying them as you would like: i.e., as offensive, racist, foreign, etc. etc.  Not everyone does that.  You keep poking people with a sharp stick.

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You brought up the issue of Sanders' supporters on the boards.  I just think you are going overboard.  He is Hillary's opponent.  His tactics are nothing like Trump's.  That's just lunacy.

When I mention the word "assumption" it has very much to do with your habit of reading into what people are writing and then classifying them as you would like: i.e., as offensive, racist, foreign, etc. etc.  Not everyone does that.  You keep poking people with a sharp stick.

 

Your countryman called me a "fool" a few days ago. If I were another poster, I might have gone ballistic, said it was offensive, reported it to the mods, or even responded in kind, etc. I just ignored it as an example of his inability to engage in civil discourse with someone he disagrees with.  So don't talk to me about classifying people, and don't be so sensitive. 

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Clinton   - 632

Sanders - 441

 

The 191 delegate difference can all be attributed to the black vote in southern states.

 

Weird.

 

 

It's weird they vote for the lesser of two evils?

 

It's weird that African-Americans, who have every reason to support a move toward Democratic Socialism - and whose more thoughtful spokespersons have expressed that very desire in America for many, many years - would not vote for the one candidate that represents that move toward social justice. Instead they vote - almost en mass - for a same old status quo let them down every time Clinton? Even after the betrayals that are a part of the Clinton record since the last time they were in the White House; the constant flip flops of what she expresses from one month to the next?

 

America has finally got a steady, consistent person who is brave enough to call for the long-needed move toward Democratic Socialism - just what the black community has been wanting for generations - and they vote for corruption instead?

 

It's weird to me.

 

Then again, I am Canadian, so an awful lot of what Americans tend to express comes across as illogical to me. Without a continuous undercurrent of anger and miseducation to influence our observations, it's not always easy to relate to the choices you people make.

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Your countryman called me a "fool" a few days ago. If I were another poster, I might have gone ballistic, said it was offensive, reported it to the mods, or even responded in kind, etc. I just ignored it as an example of his inability to engage in civil discourse with someone he disagrees with.  So don't talk to me about classifying people, and don't be so sensitive. 

 

Don't this ... don't that ... 

You need to settle down.

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Your countryman called me a "fool" a few days ago. If I were another poster, I might have gone ballistic, said it was offensive, reported it to the mods, or even responded in kind, etc. I just ignored it as an example of his inability to engage in civil discourse with someone he disagrees with.  So don't talk to me about classifying people, and don't be so sensitive. 

 

What's this 'my countryman' business?  Another categorization.  Give it up

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Don't this ... don't that ... 

You need to settle down.

 

Yes, I'm angry now, because few things make me angrier than hypocrisy. As you know, I spend a lot of time in the UK. Although I enjoy and am interested in UK politics, I'm very careful about expressing my opinion about their politics without saying, in some fashion, that it's really none of my business.  I could say that many of the problems and disputes in the world today stem from past British interference, and therefore give everyone license to express opinions about British politics, but I choose not to do that. Perhaps you can learn something from my attitude!

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What's this 'my countryman' business?  Another categorization.  Give it up

 

DB (as you've referred to him) is a Canadian. You are two Canadians expressing opinions about another nation's politics.

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Yes, I'm angry now, because few things make me angrier than hypocrisy. As you know, I spend a lot of time in the UK. Although I enjoy and am interested in UK politics, I'm very careful about expressing my opinion about their politics without saying, in some fashion, that it's really none of my business.  I could say that many of the problems and disputes in the world today stem from past British interference, and therefore give everyone license to express opinions about British politics, but I choose not to do that. Perhaps you can learn something from my attitude!

 

Go ahead.  I may join in.

I've told you why I think I have a right to express my opinion.  The corporations in your country own my country for starters.

You want to control the world but everyone else must sit back mute?  

And you of all people who at every instance say it is his right to go on any thread and express whatever opinion he wants.  Talk about hypocrisy!

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Go ahead.  I may join in.

I've told you why I think I have a right to express my opinion.  The corporations in your country own my country for starters.

You want to control the world but everyone else must sit back mute?  

And you of all people who at every instance say it is his right to go on any thread and express whatever opinion he wants.  Talk about hypocrisy!

 

I like to get the opinion of non-Americans about what is going on here and both DB and you have done your homework.  i.e. you're not just talking out of your rear end.   Of course I don't agree with everything said but that doesn't matter,  it is the dialog.

 

Funny that someone claims Sanders supporters are like Trump supporters but says this:

 

"Of course I don't think everyone who doesn't like Clinton is sexist or racist."

 

Doesn't that sound familiar?     Oh yea,  like the comment Trump made about Mexicans;  hey SOME are good people.

 

Maybe SOME Clinton supporters are similar to Trump supporters.    ;)  

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Go ahead.  I may join in.

I've told you why I think I have a right to express my opinion.  The corporations in your country own my country for starters.

You want to control the world but everyone else must sit back mute?  

And you of all people who at every instance say it is his right to go on any thread and express whatever opinion he wants.  Talk about hypocrisy!

 

At least we didn't get your Keystone pipeline! I have no problem talking about some of the evils of the U.S. -- the racism, the inequality, the attack on voting rights, the poverty, etc. Why don't you start a thread and talk about racism in Canada?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/02/12/canada-not-that-racist-video_n_6673262.html

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At least we didn't get your Keystone pipeline! I have no problem talking about some of the evils of the U.S. -- the racism, the inequality, the attack on voting rights, the poverty, etc. Why don't you start a thread and talk about racism in Canada?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/02/12/canada-not-that-racist-video_n_6673262.html

 

Fell free to do so if this is to degenerate into a ****-for-tat.  I may even like some of your comments.  I'm not touchy about Canada's foibles.  What ever gave you that idea?  You're just being juvenile now.

You didn't respond to my earlier comment about being a hypocrite for being free to comment as one chooses on these boards.

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Fell free to do so if this is to degenerate into a ****-for-tat.  I may even like some of your comments.  I'm not touchy about Canada's foibles. 

 

Canada's as good to its first nations people as the U.S is to theirs. Historically speaking, probably considerably better.

 

Nevertheless, first nations issues are complex and we continue to try to work with them toward better governing of themselves and their money management issues. Theirs is a very sad state. Tremendous issues of depression and hopelessness on the reserves.

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Just to be clear on something ... I don't really like politicians in general.  It doesn't know any borders.  Granted some are worse than others but I find them all a bit like sleazy salesmen.

So, with that in mind please don't view any of my comments as being directed against citizens.  I love Americans and Canadians.  Bob Dylan, John Candy, Humphrey Bogart, Justin Ti... (well maybe not him).

But Bernie has a point.  Politicians are not serving the people but the top 1%.  It's not just true of America either.  The surprise is that this is coming as news to people.

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Fell free to do so if this is to degenerate into a ****-for-tat.  I may even like some of your comments.  I'm not touchy about Canada's foibles.  What ever gave you that idea?  You're just being juvenile now.

You didn't respond to my earlier comment about being a hypocrite for being free to comment as one chooses on these boards.

 

Yes -- we are all free to comment on the Board, within the limits set by the Board itself. But we've all been critical (you included) about certain posters whom we feel go over the line.  ;)

 

Regarding Canada, you justify your special interest in our election by the fact that our corporations control your country. What corporations? I just filled a prescription. My drug plan paid $625 for it. I fortunately didn't pay anything. The drug comes from a company in Ontario L5N 6L4. So this is an example, not of an American going to Canada to buy cheap drugs, but of a company creating jobs in Canada and charging my health plan a fortune for a drug that I can get over the counter at Boots in the UK for $15! So my point is -- this collusion of international corporations affects us all negatively, and Canada is as much a part of it as any other country.

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Yes -- we are all free to comment on the Board, within the limits set by the Board itself. But we've all been critical (you included) about certain posters whom we feel go over the line.  ;)

 

Regarding Canada, you justify your special interest in our election by the fact that our corporations control your country. What corporations? I just filled a prescription. My drug plan paid $625 for it. I fortunately didn't pay anything. The drug comes from a company in Ontario L5N 6L4. So this is an example, not of an American going to Canada to buy cheap drugs, but of a company creating jobs in Canada and charging my health plan a fortune for a drug that I can get over the counter at Boots in the UK for $15! So my point is -- this collusion of international corporations affects us all negatively, and Canada is as much a part of it as any other country.

 

We are but a flea on an elephant's behind, my friend.

A friend and I were at Picadilly Circus and an irate Londoner came up to us and said, "Hey, what are you Yanks doing in my country?"  My friend responded, "You are mistaken.  We are not from America.  We are from Canada."  He sneered and said, "Canada?  That's not even a real country."

We both thought that was pretty funny.  I don't have a chip on my Canadian shoulder.

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Yes -- we are all free to comment on the Board, within the limits set by the Board itself. But we've all been critical (you included) about certain posters whom we feel go over the line. 

 

You only feel we go "over the line" because we call foolishness out so honestly.

 

Fools seem to mistake this honesty for anger. But one doesn't have to be angry to swat away nonsense when it's presented - even if it means calling a fool a fool for the foolishness expressed.

 

I'm never angry on these boards, but some seem to feel sure that I am.

 

I saw that moderator1 removed my post the other day when I addressed you as "fool".  If moderator1 thinks that's best, so be it. Sometimes these categorizations are left in place, other times not.

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You only feel we go "over the line" because we call foolishness out so honestly.

 

Fools seem to mistake this honesty for anger. But one doesn't have to be angry to swat away nonsense when it's presented - even if it means calling a fool a fool for the foolishness expressed.

 

I'm never angry on these boards, but some seem to feel sure that I am.

 

I saw that moderator1 removed my post the other day when I addressed you as "fool".  If moderator1 thinks that's best, so be it. Sometimes these categorizations are left in place, other times not.

 

I didn't notice that it had been removed. That kind of annoys me -- I would have preferred that it remained, as a monument to your special style.

 

Btw, the drug company I referred to in my recent post was GlaxoSmithKline, in Mississauga, Ontario. It's a British company which has bought up companies and labs in Canada and the U.S. So maybe part of the great American healthcare argument should be how huge international companies are raising prices in the U.S. for drugs manufactured in the U.K., Canada, and elsewhere, while keeping prices lower in those countries.  If I were Donald Trump, I would say "Get that Glaxo/Mississauga factory relocated to the U.S., so that if they must gouge us, at least they create jobs here!"

 

(Oddly enough, one of Trump's more liberal positions relates to the price-gouging excesses of drug companies.)

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(Oddly enough, one of Trump's more liberal positions relates to the price-gouging excesses of drug companies.)

 

He's pandering for the elderly vote. 

 

We hear the same junk from every politician down here during every election.

 

Of course, he's right, just like they all are on this issue. But the fact that it's still an issue should tell you how much actually gets done about it.

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I didn't notice that it had been removed. That kind of annoys me -- I would have preferred that it remained, as a monument to your special style.

 

You think I deserve a monument? That might be "over the line", ay?

 

There's nothing "special" about my "style", other than that I'm forthright and good with words. At least, I think I'm good with words - but maybe not as good as I think, considering so many here disagree with my take on things.

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You think I deserve a monument? That might be "over the line", ay?

 

There's nothing "special" about my "style", other than that I'm forthright and good with words. At least, I think I'm good with words - but maybe not as good as I think, considering so many here disagree with my take on things.

 

Oh, one can accept that another person is very good with words, and still disagree with him! Yes -- you do deserve a monument. Maybe a sort of Mount Rushmore for TCM posters -- you and three others to be determined.

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I didn't notice that it had been removed. That kind of annoys me -- I would have preferred that it remained, as a monument to your special style.

 

Btw, the drug company I referred to in my recent post was GlaxoSmithKline, in Mississauga, Ontario. It's a British company which has bought up companies and labs in Canada and the U.S. So maybe part of the great American healthcare argument should be how huge international companies are raising prices in the U.S. for drugs manufactured in the U.K., Canada, and elsewhere, while keeping prices lower in those countries.  If I were Donald Trump, I would say "Get that Glaxo/Mississauga factory relocated to the U.S., so that if they must gouge us, at least they create jobs here!"

 

(Oddly enough, one of Trump's more liberal positions relates to the price-gouging excesses of drug companies.)

 

"I don't think health care is a right"

- Dr. Ben Carson, GOP debate

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