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TCM Receives 'Jeer' from TV Guide


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I just received my new TV Guide in the mail this a.m. (6/12-18, 2006) that will go on sale next week at newsstands and the 'Cheers & Jeers' section has given TCM a jeer regarding the upcoming "changes" to it's programming. Here's what they had to say: "Jeers to Turner Classic Movies for straying from its quality-film roots. The cable network will premiere a new program in October called 'TCM Underground, hosted by Rob Zombie. The death-metal rocker/horror director ("House of 1,000 Corpes") will introduce such questionable cinematic milestones as "The Honeymoon Killers" and Ed Wood's "Bride of the Monster." Careful, TCM---your initials don't stand for Turner Crappy Movies." No mention, however, of the possible pilots that are being produced that we have been discussing the past couple of weeks that also are taking the focus off of movies and the Classic in TCM.

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TCM will most likly do the same as Fox Movie Channel and TCM UK having 1930's to 1970's films on at 6:00am to 6:00pm and 1980's to 2000's films on the rest of the time. >>

 

Allie,

 

Just so's everyone is on the same page, is this your thoughts on the direction TCM may take some day or is this something you have read in the papers, trades, magazines, etc.?

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http://www.turnerinfo.com/newsitem.aspx?P=TCM&CID01=d1dc22e5-b698-4fc5-af1d-dad4b71fb2e3

 

Release Date: 5/25/2006

 

Turner Classic Movies Broadens Viewer Base with Innovative Programming Initiatives

 

Auteur Filmmaker and Music Artist Rob Zombie (House of 1000 Corpses, The Devil?s Rejects) To Host Cult Movie Showcase

 

TCM Commissions Two Pilots for First Ever Original Series, One Featuring Wilmer Valderrama (That ?70s Show)

 

Documentary Looks at Maverick Filmmakers

 

Turner Classic Movies (TCM) is moving forward with several programming initiatives geared to attract a broader viewer base, including a new cult film showcase hosted by auteur filmmaker and legendary rocker Rob Zombie (House of 1000 Corpses, The Devil?s Rejects); two pilots, one featuring Wilmer Valderrama (That ?70s Show, Fast Food Nation), that could lead to TCM?s first-ever original series; and an exploration of the creative spirit and maverick determination of independent filmmakers in TCM?s first in-house documentary production.

 

?These programming initiatives allow us to cultivate a new generation of classic movie fans, helping us take viewers from novice to true fan through innovative approaches,? said Tom Karsch, executive vice president and general manager for TCM. ?Whether it is Rob Zombie introducing cult classics or a young Hollywood star recreating iconic movie scenes, this entertaining content is certain to broaden TCM?s appeal beyond our loyal core audience.?

 

The following is TCM?s slate of upcoming programming:

 

TCM Underground hosted by Rob Zombie? TCM Film Showcase premiering in October

TCM unveils a new late-night showcase featuring auteur filmmaker and music artist Rob Zombie as the host. Zombie will feature such cult and underground movies as Suzuki Seijun?s stylish Yakuza flick Tokyo Drifter, horror master George Romero?s The Crazies, Ed Wood?s Bride of the Monster, Francis Coppola?s creepy Dementia 13 and Leonard Castle?s offbeat The Honeymoon Killers.

 

Zombie has made a name for himself challenging audiences by stretching the boundaries of film, music and publishing. He recently took film to a new level with his critically acclaimed House of 1000 Corpses and its high-octane follow-up The Devil?s Rejects, and he is now working on his next film project, the animated horror film The Haunted World of Superbeasto, starring Academy Award? nominee Paul Giamatti, slated for release later this year.

 

As the longest active artist on Geffen Records and the most prolific Geffen artist when it comes to Gold and Platinum discs, Zombie has sold in excess of fifteen million records worldwide. This past March, his new album Educated Horses entered the billboard charts at #5. Zombie is also a seasoned video director, with more than 25 videos to his credit. In 1995, he won an MTV Music Video Award for ?More Human Than Human,? becoming the first self-directed artist to win such an award.

 

TAKE TWO (working title) ? Original series pilot

 

This unique concept will give a young star the opportunity to act out (or completely re-imagine) an iconic scene from a classic Hollywood movie. The pilot for the series will feature Wilmer Valderrama re-creating a scene from The Lost Weekend. TAKE TWO comes to TCM from World of Wonders, with Fenton Bailey & Randy Barbato (Movies that Shook the World) serving as executive producers.

 

IDOLS (working title) ? Original series in development

 

In IDOLS, a younger star working in film today has an opportunity to shadow and interview his/her classic film idol. It comes to TCM from executive producer Robert Trachtenberg (Cary Grant: A Class Apart, The Dick Cavett Show with Special Guest Mel Brooks).

 

EDGE OF OUTSIDE? Original TCM Documentary premiering in July

 

In its first-ever completely in-house documentary production, TCM explores the uncompromising vision, creative spirit and maverick determination of independent filmmakers, both classic and current. A tribute to the fight for artistic freedom in American independent cinema, EDGE OF OUTSIDE features interviews with Ed Burns, Martin Scorsese, Spike Lee, Henry Jaglom, Arthur Penn, Peter Falk, Gena Rowlands and John Sayles, as well as friends and crew members who worked with such cutting-edge filmmakers as Sam Fuller, John Cassavetes and Sam Peckinpah. In a year that saw independent movies take center stage at the Oscars?, this documentary offers an intimate look at the various issues and struggles independent filmmakers face ? creative and personal, financial and emotional. It dispels the notion that an independent film is simply a low-budget film, instead defining the genre by the maverick filmmaker?s ability to infuse his or her films with creative spirit and determination.

 

Turner Classic Movies, currently seen in more than 70 million homes, is a 24-hour cable network from Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., a TimeWarner company. TCM presents the greatest motion pictures of all time from the largest film library in the world, the combined Time Warner and Turner film libraries, from the ?20s through the ?90s, commercial-free and without interruption. Expanding TCM's role as a curator of movie history, the network recently launched TCMdb, the Internet's most media-rich interactive movie database. For more information, please visit www.tcm.com.

 

Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., a Time Warner company, is a major producer of news and entertainment product around the world and the leading provider of programming for the basic cable industry.

 

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Fred,

 

I saw those posts. I was hoping Allie could tell us where she read the following that she posted:

 

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or if that was just her thinking as to where TCM was headed.

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Well, it?s probably her image of a ?worst-case? scenario, that is strongly suggested for the future because this Zombie crap.

 

I mean, if two years ago I had said to you that, ?TCM will probably wind up with shows in the future like ?IDOLS (working title) ? Original series in development? and ?a new cult film showcase hosted by auteur filmmaker and legendary rocker Rob Zombie (House of 1000 Corpses, The Devil?s Rejects); two pilots, one featuring Wilmer Valderrama (That ?70s Show, Fast Food Nation), that could lead to TCM?s first-ever original series; and an exploration of the creative spirit and maverick determination of independent filmmakers in TCM?s first in-house documentary production,?? you would have probably said that I was inventing impossible stuff and making stuff up that TCM would NEVER put on the air.

 

But now, it?s here, and it?s crap.

 

We people on this board told TCM first that this kind of stuff is crap and now TV GUIDE agrees that it is crap. How long does it take Time-Warner TCM people to realize that this type of stuff is CRAP that is going to hurt their old ?viewer base??

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Were "TCM viewers calling for a change in policy? If so,I was unaware of it.So much supply and demand,and ALL other corporate myths.ALL societies are rum from the TOP-DOWN.So much for "the voice of the people".

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I'd rather that they set-up a second channel to do this stuff.

 

I have no problem with them trying to broaden their base. I doubt they will create more classic movie fans, but they could gain a new audience.

 

I'd rather that they get more creative with the gold mine they are sitting on. Apparently they don't even understand what they own very well. And they don't know how to creatively market it to new potential viewers. I'm sure they think that's exactly what they're doing. But it's not.

 

New Coke. Classic Coke.

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Maybe this is the classic supply and demand problem. I mean, how many of us have talked about how tough it is to get friends and co-workers, family members, and even spouses interested in old movies? I don't know anything about the cable business, but I have no difficulty at all believing that TCM might find itself in need of a broadened base if it is to avoid extinction within the next several years. Dance with the one that brung ya, you might say, but when the ones who brought TCM start dying off, then what?

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Time-Warner already has other channels they can put this baloney on. There are some people at T-W who are so stupid they don?t seem to realize that they will lose their old base during the time they are trying to attract a few idiots to this home-made self-produced TV stuff that doesn?t have anything to do with Classic Movies. It?s like the way AMC started producing musical programs and talk shows for women when they were at the end of being American Movie Classics. I tuned in one night to watch an old movie, and there was an hour long show of Mariah Carey singing in a recent nightclub act!

 

The only ?broader viewer base? TCM is going to attract with this kind of crap is a bunch of idiot Goth hippie freaks like the people who watch some of the worst of the idiotic low-budget ?independent? films that are shown on the IFC and Sundance Channels.

 

What TCM needs to do is simply have some AV/Film and Drama department students from high schools and colleges sitting on the regular TCM set and talking to each other (not to Osborne or any old adult) about the ?wonderful? movies of the old days, while showing some scenes from the old movies they are talking about. Just like TCM did a few years ago when it had a young lady talking about Marlon Brando putting on one of Eva Marie Saint?s gloves in ?On the Waterfront.? I never noticed the thing about the gloves before, but that young lady did and that impressed me very much.

 

These interviews don?t need to be long on the air at any one time. Just a minute or two, shown occasionally, in-between films, a few times a week, and geared to the types of films being shown.

 

TCM could tape a lot of these for a very low budget, and edit them down to many different 1, 2, and 3 minute segments, that could run often. They could tape hours of this stuff, with a lot of different kids of different ages, from different schools, so that they could edit a lot of different ones for airing during the whole next year.

 

They could even get some real ?kids? (10 to 13 years old) in there to talk about silent comedies like Chaplin, Keaton, and Lloyd films. They could have some young college students talking about the old romance and pre-code movies. They could have some high school kids talking about adventure and mystery films. Other kids, like maybe high school and college drama students, could talk about the great old Technicolor films. Some girls in ballerina costumes could talk about films like ?The Red Shoes?. Some guys could talk about the mysterious drama and unusual music and photography of ?The Third Man.?

 

If these spots and ?promos? ran often enough, just a minute or two at a time, kids and young people in the audience would begin to see them while channel surfing, and they would suddenly stop on TCM to see what these kids are talking about, and they would soon learn that it is Ok for young people to like classic movies. Heck, if young college people just talk on camera about the ?hidden meaning? of some of the dialogue in a lot of Pre-Code films, half the teenagers in the country will be watching all the Pre-Codes on TCM, trying to figure out the ?hidden meaning? of the remarks.

 

One thing kids and young people need to learn and need to be told BY OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE is that it is Ok to like old stuff, old media, old drama, and old films. They don?t need Osborne trying to tell them this, and TCM doesn?t need the type of people this Zombie idiot will attract.

 

As a matter of fact, when has TCM ever had teenagers talking to each other about classic films in the TCM studio? Never.

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I totally agree with the core of what you're saying Dobbs, as I do believe the fan base will eventually jump ship. Hey, with all this recent talk of DVD recorders initiated by you, maybe we'll start trading recorded DVDs of our favorite classics Netflix style, via the mail, and quit relying on the disappointing networks that seem to be selling their souls like two-dollar h--. Well you get the idea!

 

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Good ideas, Mr. Dobbs. I'm not sure how many young people TCM could or will attract, however. Kids that like old movies, music, clothes, etc. tend to be a small minority, not only in the present, but also past and future. Nothing, other than a short-lived fad (the popularity of swing a few years ago, for example) will ever change that. While I'm no longer the Chicken Little that I was when I joined these boards, and am not that fearful of TCM's imminent demise, I would like to know AMC, IFC, and Bravo's ratings before and after their programming changes.

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wow. FredCDobbs. That was great.

 

I had made a uncannily similar post, but it disappeared when I tried to post it. Now I don't have to remake it. You hit on a number of points I wanted to make.

 

Real people talking about the films - famous actors from today commenting before a favorite film of theirs. The younger people would relate their own heros/stars that were excited about these great old classics. They are windows into other eras. They teach, entertain and add unique value to what's being offered today. They are special and TCM seems to not even realize what they are sitting on.

 

Creatively packaging around the core product in ways that make you inquisitive about each actual movie is the way to go.

 

This 'me too' approach is late to the party and rather uncreative. Moreover, it seems to be a surrender where a great victory could be won. They just don't realize the ammunition they are sitting on. Laughable, if it weren't so deplorable.

 

Great post, Dobbs.

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It was my image of the next logical step to take place is all, a routine of newer films during prime time and older films scheduled for the off hours. I wasn't making any kind of positive or negitive judgement on the matter. I should have made that more clear.

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"Creative Spirit and maverick determination of independent filmmakers" could include guys like Orson Welles, Sam Fuller, Nicholas Ray, John Cassavettes, William Castle, Don Siegel, Sam Peckinpah and Otto Preminger to name a few.

 

The creative spirit and maverick determination is what helped make so many great filmmakers great. That spirit and determination has been a part of movie making since the beginning, silent days. There has always been filmmakers who buck(ed) the system and our film history is all the better for them. Some of them worked for the studios, most of them toiled for smaller outfits but they all shared a belief in the power of film.

 

"Pick-Up on South Street", "Ride the High Country", "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", "The Moon is Blue","Anatomy of a Murder", "Johnny Guitar", "Seconds" are just some that come to mind. They may not have the cache of better known classic films but they are just as important.

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