BallofFire Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 While I love them both, I have to go with Cagney. Outstanding in drama, comedy, and musicals, his mastery of the art is unmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patful Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I love both equally, but I would have to include Edward G. Robinson with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayresorchids Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I don't wanna have to make no choice, see? Botha dose guys is aces with me, ya got it? Don't gimme no more lip (so to speak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBurley Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Well, I'd hate to see Bogie playing Chester Kent in Footlight Parade; but then I'd hate to see Cagney playing Charlie Allnut in The African Queen. So I'm going to call this a tie. When Ann Blyth appeared at San Francisco's Castro Theatre last Friday night, it was brought up that she starred with Paul Newman, Robert Mitchum and William Powell. The interviewer (Eddie Muller) asked if she were on a desert isle, which of these three would she choose to share the island. To which she replied, "Why can't I have all three?" I'll follow her lead and take both Cagney and Bogie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinemabuff64 Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Although I have seen more Bogart movies,I appreciate the talent of Cagney.....I'm afraid that it's a tie for me as well.Can anyone tell me if they played in a movie together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooty127 Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 The versatile JAMES CAGNEY of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythoughts Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 I love James Cagney - he had great versatility - I liked him in "Yankee Doodle Dandy" as the song and dance man George M. Cohan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallofFire Posted July 26, 2006 Author Share Posted July 26, 2006 Cagney and Bogart did appear together in three movies that I can think of: The Oklahoma Kid - a sort of comedy western, Angels With Dirty Faces- classic gangster, and The Roaring Twenties- another classic gangster film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickspade Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 > Although I have seen more Bogart movies,I appreciate > the talent of Cagney.....I'm afraid that it's a tie > for me as well.Can anyone tell me if they played in a > movie together? Yes, they appeared in three movies together: The Oklahoma Kid (1939); Angels with Dirty Faces (1938), and The Roaring Twenties (1939). In each movie, Cagney was the "good guy," so to speak, and Bogie the heavy. . .even when they both played gangsters. And in each movie. . .well I don't want to give away the endings, so I won't. As for who my own personal favorite is, I have to admit when I first fell in love with classic films as a kid in the 1960s, Cagney was my guy. Then, in later years I discovered Bogie, and his cool persona just won me over. However, every time I see Cagney in a movie, especially his early-to-mid 1930's films where he has an unbelievable amount of energy and screen presence, I confess I begin to waver. If pressed to make a choice, it would be Bogie. . .but just by a whisker, see, sweetheart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipcress Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Tie. As cool as Bogart is... Cagney is versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeanddaisy666 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Well, I wouldn't want to see Bogey dancing from the waist down on a stage...nor would I want to see Cagney walking away with Claude Rains into the mist...but since they are both timeless, I'll call it a tie as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdb1 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I have been thinking about this for a while, and my conclusion is that they are both wonderful, both extremely talented, and both real "movie stars." However, I give it to Cagney by a hair. I find Cagney very sexy. I find Bogart very un-sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarboManiac Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I have to agree with patful. To me it was always a m?nage a trois. Ya can't have Cagney without Robinson, and you can't have Robinson without Bogart, and you can't have Bogart without Cagney, and you can't have Cagney without . . . ! Now, Raft, to me, is another story. I realize he was a big star, but I always forget about him. Kinda like George Brent. All of a sudden your realize, and say, OH! Yeah, I forgot about him! Crazy 'bout dem gangster films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pktrekgirl Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Well, Bogie has been my favorite actor for years. In fact, I probably wouldn't even be a classic film fan if it wasn't for Bogie. That having been said, I do love Cagney. In the gangster films, for sure...but Yankee Doodle Dandy is just an amazing film. I could watch him in that again and again. And have. When it comes down to it, I'll give it to Bogie because he is my forever sentimental favorite. But Cagney was an amazing actor/dancer....he did it all, and did it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeanddaisy666 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 jdb1, tastes are funny. I find Bogey very sexy in a schleppy, unmade bed type of way. Cagney I also think is sexy, but in a cocky, take charge type of way. Both...well, as per their screen images...powerful smoldering SAM guys. SAM was an acronym we used in the 1960s to denote 'sexual animal magnetism' guys. I think both Bogey and Cagney fit this description. To go further back, to when my mother discussed her fascination with Tyrone Power (not that was something I didn't get), I wouldn't throw either Bogey or Jimmy out of bed for eating crackers. Yes, GM, Raft does take a back seat to both of the above. But he was inimitable in his own way. Although I wouldn't put him in the same row with Brent, Brent I would leave in the men's room, with the door barred. He's about as sexy as a sponge that has seen better days and is about to be tossed in the trashcan. What I find fascinating are the studio stills of the actors of that era. Someone who magically transformed himself into something else entirely on the screen looks oh so different in a still, and sometimes looks dynamically sexy to boot. dolores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhfive Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Did everybody get to see the recent TCM broadcast of Cagney in "Hard To Handle" (1933)? I watched a recording of the movie last night. My God, Cagney and his co-star (Ruth Donnelly) are funny in that movie. They had me laughing out loud. GarboManiac... George Brent? Looking at the TCM schedule, it looks like a mini-George Brent-athon starting at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, Saturday, July 29th. All of us Brent-aphiles rejoice at the thought of this upcoming glimpse (way too rare, if you ask me) of this most under-rated of Warner Brothers contract players!! Now. If I was able to sport a Brent moustache and look dashing...all would be right in my world. Rusty Message was edited by: jarhfive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhfive Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Oh, yes...the topic. Cagney, or Bogart? Both favorites of mine. However, it would have been great if Warner Brothers had added Bogart to the Cagney-Pat O'Brien duo. All fast talkers, a Bogart-Cagney-O'Brien triumvirate would have been a hoot. Rusty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movieman1957 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I saw "Hard To Handle" and "Lady Killer" and they're both unusual but fun pictures. Cagney was pretty funny in both. I had never seen either of them before. On the whole I'll take Cagney. As much as I enjoy Bogart he does not have the the range of talent that Cagney does. (IMO) Bogart might be "top of the world" but I can't see him as George S Cohan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeanddaisy666 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Rusty, blech on Brent. I'm sure you're a thousand times better looking. On O'Brien, he annoyed me for some reason. I hated, HATED him in I Married A Doctor, but that was the script. Stupidest, lamest movie in the entire world. I didn't like his priestly portrayals, and I didn't like him in Front Page. Aside...I love Adolph Menjou. But O'Brien...eh. But darn, I didn't take note of Hard To Handle. I'm surprised at me, 1933 no less. Rats. Hope they replay it. dolores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeanddaisy666 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 True, moveiman1957, Cagney was to Bogey as Grant was to...everyone else! Cagney could do comedy and drama and musicals without breaking a sweat, as could Grant. Bogey was, well, Bogey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayresorchids Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Yes, jarhfive, wasn't Hard to Handle marvelous? I have a question for you: Do you think Lefty succumbed to the charms of Claire Dodd? It wasn't clear to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhfive Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 dolores, Okay...sure..."I Married A Doctor" was really a bad movie. Watching me put the recording of "I Married A Doctor" in the player, my wife warned, "don't do that...that movie is crap." Did I listen to her? No. And it was crap...and a waste of time. However, have you seen Pat O'Brien in "I Sell Anything"? It is the best fast talking movie ever. Well, except for Lee Tracy in "Turn Back The Clock" and Lee Tracy in "The Half Naked Truth" and Lee Tracy in... Adolph Menjou moustache? Hmm... Rusty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhfive Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Ayres, Do you mean "make love"? Cagney and Dodd (seductress) are having breakfast together when interrupted by Brian (girlfriend) and Donnelly (mother of girlfriend). Later in the movie Donnelly tells Cagney, "you should have left your hotel door closed". Donnelly says that after Cagney "hems and haws" about the relationship between him and Dodd. So, yes...enough evidence for a "one night stand" between Cagney and Dodd. Rusty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeanddaisy666 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 No! Hmmm, that makes two more movies on the 'look see' list! Thanks, Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayresorchids Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Thanks jar (I'm so naive!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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