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>the actors

> blacklisted didn't start back to work in Hollywood

> films until the early sixties.

 

Well boo hoo hoo. Hollywood producers, studio heads, and the unions blacklisted people for years for reasons that had nothing to do with politics. When communists were in charge of productions, they blacklisted conservatives. Such is the way of a monopoly industry.

 

You keep living in the '50s but hey, this is the 21st Century. Your side lost the cold war. Give it up. Forget it. It's a world economy now.

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Who are the conservatives that were blacklisted ? With Wayne, Disney, DeMille around. Cecil B died in1959. My point was the excellent film noirs were made well into the 50's and that the blacklist didn't end for actors until the 1960;s, not the 50's as you falsely stated. Bruce Cabot and Menjou weren't black or gray listed, but friendly witnesses who named names, such as Marc Lawrence were still denied work, because he was an ex- Communist. He was a party member for only a few months.

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>He was a party

> member for only a few months.

 

Who cares? The studios wouldn't let me on the lots in the '70s to take pictures for my magazine because I wasn't in a union, even though my pictures would have promoted their movies and being in a union wasn't required for magazine work. Non-union people were blacklisted during the past 70 years in Hollywood. Hundreds of non-union people were blacklisted. Blacks were blacklisted from working at the studios in technical jobs in the '30s and '40s.

 

The biggest thing that hurt Hollywood in the '50s was TV. Your leftist political whining is way out of date.

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What does your statement have to do with the political blacklist ? The Unions won the right to collective bargain and the studios signed the contracts. In 1958 California voted down in referendum a " Right to Work " proposal, a democratic way of doing things, the blacklist was not democratic. and is contrary to American principals Name calling ( calling leftist whiners ) doesn't';t advance your arguments.

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> Name calling ( calling leftist whiners ) doesn't';t

> advance your arguments.

 

I'm just trying to entertain you. You started a controversial thread to attract some attention, didn't you? Well, here I am. What would you do without me.

 

Anyway, what ruined the old classic film noir movie styles in the '50s was television, when Hollywood suddenly turned to color and Cinemascope, and then the fall of the old studio system. Film noir doesn't work well in color and Cinemascope.

 

I saw this film a few months ago, and look at the great cast:

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046791/

 

It was an old ?noir? type mystery movie, but it looked odd in bright color and wide screen. The lighting was flat, straight-on lighting, nothing creative. It was filmed like a stage play. Not very good.

 

It was a good story, a good cast, but nothing creative or traditional in it. This was because of TV. More people started staying home on the weekend in the ?50s to watch free movies in the form of TV shows.

 

In the ?60s they started adding more sex and cursing to attract people back to the movies, and the movies became more liberal and leftist than ever before, and that was the fall of old Hollywood and the classic movie era. And the ?70s was the worst decade of all for the movies.... zoom...zoom...zoom....zoom. In between the zooms.... cuss, cuss, cuss.

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This thread was dead for some time, I didn't revive it. Lucky Dan is another Pro- Blacklist poster on this site, there are plenty of right wingers here . If the movies become more vulgar and violent in the sixties, which they did, it is because of greed that they did so. It made money, Capitalism is an amoral system, if it makes money, it is good. Read Chomsky and Zinn for a more balanced perspective than you have now .

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> This thread was dead for some time, I didn't revive

> it. Lucky Dan is another Pro- Blacklist poster on

> this site, there are plenty of right wingers here .

> If the movies become more vulgar and violent in the

> sixties, which they did, it is because of greed that

> they did so. It made money, Capitalism is an amoral

> system, if it makes money, it is good. Read Chomsky

> and Zinn for a more balanced perspective than you

> have now .

 

No, Chomsky and Zinn should read me.

 

It was the communists in Hollywood who were at the forefront of trying to destroy the old Hays Code. They succeeded and look what happend.... vulgar violent crappy movies from then on. The Hays Code was put into effect originally by decent people to try to stop some of that exploitation type of greed, and the commies worked for years to kill the code. They finally succeeded. They hated it because it was based on the original religious Catholic code, and they hated religion.

 

So decent people flock here so they can see the old code movies and get away from most of the modern vulgarity and violence.

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Please ame one " Communist " who was trying to undo the Hays code.! Is the American political - economic system so sacrosanct that it cannot be criticized ? ALL man made political - economicsystems aare imperfect, it is up to man to make that system, whatever it is more humane. Unfettered Capitalism is not a just or fair system, just as an unfettered " Socialist System " need checks and balances. It is too bad the this so - called Conservative Administration is in fact, when it comes to executive power, the most radical in American History.

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> Please ame one " Communist " who was trying to undo

> the Hays code.! Is the American political - economic

> system so sacrosanct that it cannot be criticized ?

> ALL man made political - economicsystems aare

> imperfect, it is up to man to make that system,

> whatever it is more humane. Unfettered Capitalism is

> not a just or fair system, just as an unfettered "

> Socialist System " need checks and balances. It is

> too bad the this so - called Conservative

> Administration is in fact, when it comes to executive

> power, the most radical in American History.

 

Man, you've lost it. You aren't even talking about movies anymore. You are giving a streetcorner commie speech like you are standing on a soapbox on a sidewalk in the Village in New York, circa 1953.

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Calling unitary Government a radical idea for the American system A Red Speech !--- This is a joke isn't it !. Hasn't Bush expanded Executive Power to unprecedented heights ? Or are you just trying to bait me and not interested in defending your positions ?---- Please name that " Dirty Red " who wanted to kick out the Hayes code !

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> Calling unitary Government a radical idea for the

> American system A Red Speech !--- This is a joke

> isn't it !. Hasn't Bush expanded Executive Power to

> unprecedented heights ? Or are you just trying to

> bait me and not interested in defending your

> positions ?---- Please name that " Dirty Red " who

> wanted to kick out the Hayes code !

 

Man, you've got it bad. I expect you to start shouting "Free Tom Mooney" and "Save the Rosenbergs" any minute.

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> > Calling unitary Government a radical idea for the

> > American system A Red Speech !--- This is a joke

> > isn't it !. Hasn't Bush expanded Executive Power

> to

> > unprecedented heights ? Or are you just trying to

> > bait me and not interested in defending your

> > positions ?---- Please name that " Dirty Red " who

> > wanted to kick out the Hayes code !

>

> Man, you've got it bad. I expect you to start

> shouting "Free Tom Mooney" and "Save the Rosenbergs"

> any minute.

 

Another non - sense remark. --- Please name that Red-----who called for the ending of the Hays Code. I know you thing all this is very funny, so lets end it !

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> This thread was dead for some time, I didn't revive

> it. Lucky Dan is another Pro- Blacklist poster on

> this site, there are plenty of right wingers here .

 

Kenny, you got me all wrong. I'm not pro-blacklist - I'm a Texan

 

 

And "plenty of right-wingers here?" This place is pink right down to its underwear. Really, Ken you seem like a nice guy and I don't want to fight with you. You're the onliest communist I ever came across that admits it and I give you points for that anyway.

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I have never been a member of the party and in my personnel habits conservative. Unitary Government, as advocated by the Bush Administration, is radical and in conflict with the constitution. Thanks for the kind words.

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I have never been a member of the party and in my personnel habits conservative.

 

Oh. Okay.

 

But what are conservative personal habits?

 

Thanks for the kind words.

 

De nada, from one Irishman to another

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> I have never been a member of the party and in my

> personnel habits conservative.

>

> Oh. Okay.

>

> But what are conservative personal habits?

>

> Thanks for the kind words.

>

> De nada, from one Irishman to another

 

One marriage 33 years and I owned my own business for almost twenty years and I attended Mass regularly - Catholic. Some Marxist right !

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> Nah ken, I'm more a Independent Conservative, so I'm

> not very far right. I'm sort of part left and part

> right...somewhat of a loner in my political views.

 

Bush is a radical and not a conservative. Unitary Government sounds like Benito to me. Politics aside I hope that enjoy your stay on these message boards

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> Ah. Of course.

>

> Put me down as an ultra right wing wacko who likes

> noir, with a particular favorite being Dick Powell's

> performance in Murder, My Sweet. It speaks to

> the latent fascist within me.

 

I love " Murder, My Sweet " . In real life Mr. Powell was a conservative Republican. Leftists( Reds actually ) Dmytryk, as Director, and Scott, as Producer must have something to do with the films success. Claire Trevor was swell as the blonde femme fatale..

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Kiss Me Deadly may be my favorite counterculture noir picture.

 

There's a quote from the film, it's classic(by Dr. Soberin):

 

"Lie still. Why torment yourself? Who would you see? Someone you do not know, a stranger. What is it we are seeking? Diamonds, rubies, gold? Perhaps narcotics? How civilized this earth used to be. But as the world becomes more primitive, its treasures become more fabulous. Perhaps sentiment will succeed where greed failed. You will die, Mr. Hammer. But your friend, you can save her. Yes you can. The young lady you picked up on the highway. She wrote you a letter. In it were two words, "Remember Me." She asks you to remember. What is it you must remember?"

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