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let me put it another way...

some fanatical Islamic terrorist cell detonates a nuclear dirty bomb in some population center releasing massive radioactive fallout like in heroshima and Nagasaki only much, much worse...

who is gonna be fretting about climate change after that?

exactly what did the liberal wing of the democrat party strain to get so stupid?

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I suppose the democrats now believe that thermonuclear war is no longer an eventuality, that the threat is either eliminated or greatly reduced?

and they have the gall to slam republicans and conservatives for being ignorant.

:lol:

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and their obsessive compulsiveness is just plain stupid. okay, one buys into climate change so just what would be required to actuate human change on the effect???

china? anyone think china is going to hamstring their economic progress by participating in some stupid climate change collective? that is why the msm obsessing on who and who does not accept it is so bleeping stupid.

it would have to be a collective effort without any holdouts or exceptions in terms of participating countries for any manmade effort to have any reasonable chance of effecting or reversing climate change and even the layperson understands that ain't gonna happen so are this rigamarol about who agrees and who does not is really putting the cart before the horse.

all this talk is just dumbness, sheer dumbness.

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15 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

I suppose the democrats now believe that thermonuclear war is no longer an eventuality, that the threat is either eliminated or greatly reduced?

and they have the gall to slam republicans and conservatives for being ignorant.

How do you feel about your boy Trump trying to fast track nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia?

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1 hour ago, LawrenceA said:

How do you feel about your boy Trump trying to fast track nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia?

If Trump says it's good then it must be good. A real free thinker. :lol: 

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16 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Bernie Sanders Asks the Right Question on Reparations:

What Does It Mean?

......“There are massive disparities that must be addressed,” Sanders answered. “There is legislation that I like introduced by Congressman Jim Clyburn — it’s called the 10/20/30 legislation — which focuses federal resources in a very significant way on distressed communities.”

He went on: “I think we have to do everything that we can to end institutional racism in this country. It is not acceptable to me that the rate of childhood poverty among the African-American community is over 30 percent in this country — that is beyond belief — that African-Americans die from cancer at higher rates than whites. So we’re going to do everything we can to put resources into distressed communities and improve lives for those people who have been hurt by the legacy of slavery.”  

Sanders’s response was broadly similar to the other candidates who support reparations. Unlike in 2016, when Sanders joined Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in not supporting reparations.......

 

At this point, Sanders asked a crucial, as yet unasked question:

 “What does that mean? What do they mean? I don’t think anyone’s been very clear.”

And he’s right.

Up until now, no one’s bothered to define reparations in the context of 2020 vetting. And the discourse has suffered for it....

Because they’ve not been pressed for details, the candidates have been able to voice “support” for reparations without committing to any particular policy or goals. But while the press may not appreciate the difference between symbolic posturing and genuine policy commitments, many black Americans have. ....

 

The preliminary questions journalists should ask instead of “do you support reparations?” are these: 1) Will you commit to meaningfully researching and developing a plan for reparations, and 2) If and when you develop a policy, will you commit to implementing it? ........

 

By asking Blitzer to define what reparations actually means, Sanders shifted the conversation from speculative rhetoric to practical policy ......

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/26/reparations-bernie-sanders/

 

 

 

 

 

I caught this part of the CNN interview with Sanders.  IMO sort of hemming and hawing on reparations.  Putting more money into "distressed" areas is not new.  The Republicans are doing it as support for Opportunity Zones now and there have been many similar programs in the past.

The issue on reparations is quite simple.  Do you support the federal government using taxpayer funds for payments to African-Americans?  Yes or No.  Anything else is not reparations.  If yes, how much and how distributed?  Then, you have to define African-American eligibility.  Obama would not be, but would Michelle Obama and their children.  Kamala Harris would not be eligible.  Should it be based on current financial position?

Of course, you could say spend money in poor, African-American dominate areas.  But that opens anther case of canned worms.

We are also speaking of this generation and the following American taxpayers providing reparations for something that occurred over 150 years ago.  This will all be financed with money borrowed from China and elsewhere.

But what about poor whites, Chinese, Irish, Catholics, Jews, ad infinitum?  All of whom have been discriminated against at some time in the past.  Almost always with government acquisition or even action.

Incidentally, Jim Clyburn (elected 1992) is the African-American Congressman from S.C.  He began his political career as an appointed official with state government.  When state was required to create a minority-majority district, he ran for it and has been in Congress ever since.  He is one of two Dems. in the seven person S.C. House delegation.  The other one was recently elected in the Charleston area after Rep. Sanford lost the Republican primary.  It is unlikely that the Dem will win re-election in 2020.

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27 minutes ago, TheCid said:

I caught this part of the CNN interview with Sanders.  IMO sort of hemming and hawing on reparations.  Putting more money into "distressed" areas is not new.  The Republicans are doing it as support for Opportunity Zones now and there have been many similar programs in the past.

The issue on reparations is quite simple.  Do you support the federal government using taxpayer funds for payments to African-Americans?  Yes or No.  Anything else is not reparations.  If yes, how much and how distributed?  Then, you have to define African-American eligibility.  Obama would not be, but would Michelle Obama and their children.  Kamala Harris would not be eligible.  Should it be based on current financial position?

Of course, you could say spend money in poor, African-American dominate areas.  But that opens anther case of canned worms.

We are also speaking of this generation and the following American taxpayers providing reparations for something that occurred over 150 years ago.  This will all be financed with money borrowed from China and elsewhere.

But what about poor whites, Chinese, Irish, Catholics, Jews, ad infinitum?  All of whom have been discriminated against at some time in the past.  Almost always with government acquisition or even action.

Incidentally, Jim Clyburn (elected 1992) is the African-American Congressman from S.C.  He began his political career as an appointed official with state government.  When state was required to create a minority-majority district, he ran for it and has been in Congress ever since.  He is one of two Dems. in the seven person S.C. House delegation.  The other one was recently elected in the Charleston area after Rep. Sanford lost the Republican primary.  It is unlikely that the Dem will win re-election in 2020.

This SJW nonsense will turn more people to Trump. He should be very thankful to them for helping him. :lol: 

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" But what about poor whites, Chinese, Irish, Catholics, Jews, ad infinitum?  All of whom have been discriminated against at some time in the past.  Almost always with government acquisition or even action. "

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-and shouldn't NATIVE AMERICANS be considered 1st??

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On 2/27/2019 at 4:09 PM, mr6666 said:

" But what about poor whites, Chinese, Irish, Catholics, Jews, ad infinitum?  All of whom have been discriminated against at some time in the past.  Almost always with government acquisition or even action. "

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-and shouldn't NATIVE AMERICANS be considered 1st??

:unsure:

Agree and thought about that, but isn't already some program that supposedly provides them with some type of reparations?

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Warren: Native Americans should be 'part of the conversation' on reparations

".....Warren is so far the only 2020 candidate to float the notion of reparations for Native Americans......

Asked to explain her position on reparations, Warren offered few details but pointed to America's "ugly history" of racism and pointed to her bill to address housing discrimination against black Americans, the paper reported.

“America has an ugly history of racism,” Warren told attendees, according to the paper. “We need to confront it head-on. And we need to talk about the right way to address it and make change.”......

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/431250-warren-native-americans-should-be-part-of-the-conversation-on-reparations

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3 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Warren: Native Americans should be 'part of the conversation' on reparations

".....Warren is so far the only 2020 candidate to float the notion of reparations for Native Americans......

Asked to explain her position on reparations, Warren offered few details but pointed to America's "ugly history" of racism and pointed to her bill to address housing discrimination against black Americans, the paper reported.

“America has an ugly history of racism,” Warren told attendees, according to the paper. “We need to confront it head-on. And we need to talk about the right way to address it and make change.”......

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/431250-warren-native-americans-should-be-part-of-the-conversation-on-reparations

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Wow,  this is funny;    Warren trying to get money for her relatives!    (wink \ wink).

 

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Betsy KleinVerified account @betsy_klein

 

.@VP goes after Bernie Sanders at CPAC:

"Under the guise of Medicare for All + a Green New Deal, Democrats are embracing the same tired economic theories that have impoverished nations and stifled the liberties of millions over the past century.

That system is socialism..."(cont)

8:12 AM - 1 Mar 2019
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Bernie SandersVerified account @BernieSanders 4h4 hours ago
 
 

Clearly, Pence and Trump are afraid of our campaign because when 1 million people volunteer in a week,

the president and VP know our grassroots campaign is the strongest challenge to their chances for re-election.

They know our ideas are widely supported by the America people.

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Beware of right-wing scare tactics about Democratic socialism:

Conservatives are using this boogeyman to manipulate their base-

New right-wing poll signals Republican election strategy to dismiss the Democrats as un-American communists

"..........Here's Sanders account of his socialist ethos:

“Almost everything he [FDR] proposed was called 'socialist.' Social Security, which transformed life for the elderly in this country was 'socialist.' The concept of the 'minimum wage' was seen as a radical intrusion into the marketplace and was described as 'socialist.' Unemployment insurance, abolishing child labor, the 40-hour work week, collective bargaining, strong banking regulations, deposit insurance, and job programs that put millions of people to work were all described, one way or another, as 'socialist.' Yet these programs have become the fabric of our nation and the foundation of the middle class.”

If you polled Republican primary voters and asked them if they supported Social Security or Medicare and Medicaid, an overwhelming majority would say 'Yes.' And that would, strictly speaking, make them socialists. Both liberals and conservatives treasure fundamentally socialist programs, but propagandistic polls like this mislead respondents into thinking the choice between socialism and capitalism is a binary one.

We already have, as Sanders says, socialist safety nets for the very rich and the very poor, but pitiless free market capitalism for everyone else. He's merely proposing we extend those safety nets to the middle class. Republicans talk about democratic socialism as though it's interchangeable with communism.

The later involves the government owning the means of production (which no one actually proposes); the former is a return to the midcentury norm, to the America of FDR and Eisenhower and Johnson......

https://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/beware_of_right_wing_scare_tactics_about_democratic_socialism_conservatives_are_using_this_boogeyman_to_manipulate_their_base/

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this is from 2016.........

GOP again using same scare tactic

:rolleyes:

 

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'I Know Where I Came From': At First 2020 Rally, Sanders Shares How Childhood in Brooklyn Shaped His Drive for Political Revolution-

Bolstered by recollections from his youth, Sen. Bernie Sanders spoke of his desire to "transform this country and finally create an economy and a government which works or all of us, not just the one percent."

 

"I did not have a father who gave me millions of dollars to build luxury skyscrapers, casinos, and country clubs. I did not come from a family that gave me a $200,000 allowance every year beginning at the age of three," he noted. "But I had something more valuable. I had the role model of a father who had unbelievable courage in journeying across an ocean with no money in his pocket to start a new and better life."

 

"The principles of our government will be based on justice—on economic justice, on social justice, on racial justice, on environmental justice," he said. ....

 

Sanders called for pursuing Medicare for All to guarantee healthcare as a right for every American as well as policies to ensure a $15-per-hour federal hourly minimum wage, affordable childcare, and tuition-free public college.

He also called for ending wars abroad, addressing the student debt crisis, expanding Social Security, reforming the criminal justice system, strengthening gun safety laws, safeguarding reproductive rights, transforming the national energy system away from fossil fuels, closing tax loopholes created to benefit billionaires, and rebuilding infrastructure across the country.

Decrying Trump's cruel immigration policies, Sanders also demanded comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients and a humane border policy that treats asylum seekers with dignity,.......

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/03/02/i-know-where-i-came-first-2020-rally-sanders-shares-how-childhood-brooklyn-shaped

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On 3/1/2019 at 4:50 PM, mr6666 said:

Beware of right-wing scare tactics about Democratic socialism:

Conservatives are using this boogeyman to manipulate their base-

New right-wing poll signals Republican election strategy to dismiss the Democrats as un-American communists

"..........Here's Sanders account of his socialist ethos:

“Almost everything he [FDR] proposed was called 'socialist.' Social Security, which transformed life for the elderly in this country was 'socialist.' The concept of the 'minimum wage' was seen as a radical intrusion into the marketplace and was described as 'socialist.' Unemployment insurance, abolishing child labor, the 40-hour work week, collective bargaining, strong banking regulations, deposit insurance, and job programs that put millions of people to work were all described, one way or another, as 'socialist.' Yet these programs have become the fabric of our nation and the foundation of the middle class.”

If you polled Republican primary voters and asked them if they supported Social Security or Medicare and Medicaid, an overwhelming majority would say 'Yes.' And that would, strictly speaking, make them socialists. Both liberals and conservatives treasure fundamentally socialist programs, but propagandistic polls like this mislead respondents into thinking the choice between socialism and capitalism is a binary one.

We already have, as Sanders says, socialist safety nets for the very rich and the very poor, but pitiless free market capitalism for everyone else. He's merely proposing we extend those safety nets to the middle class. Republicans talk about democratic socialism as though it's interchangeable with communism.

The later involves the government owning the means of production (which no one actually proposes); the former is a return to the midcentury norm, to the America of FDR and Eisenhower and Johnson......

https://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/beware_of_right_wing_scare_tactics_about_democratic_socialism_conservatives_are_using_this_boogeyman_to_manipulate_their_base/

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this is from 2016.........

GOP again using same scare tactic

:rolleyes:

 

and how did the GOP get democrats to start talking about reparations?

:D

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

MSNBCVerified account @MSNBC 1h1 hour ago

 
 

Sen. Sanders has signed a loyalty pledge to the Democratic National Cmte., saying he is a member of the party

and will run for president in 2020 only as a Democrat, his campaign and the DNC tell @NBCNews

- @aseitzwald

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Well Sanders is a member of the Dem party NOW since the Dem party has taken up most of his agenda. 

 

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14 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Well Sanders is a member of the Dem party NOW since the Dem party has taken up most of his agenda. 

 

not that there's anything WRONG with that  ;)

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59 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

not that there's anything WRONG with that  ;)

Depends on how defines 'wrong';   if it leads to the GOP regaining the House,  keeping the Senate and Trump being re-elected,   some may define that as 'wrong'.   (I assume that is what the 'wink' is meant to represent).

 

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