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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

CA has set up a sound process that allows parents to vote to fund a charter school when the local public school isn't serving their needs (i.e. not providing their kids a quality education).   Some public school admins are incompetent and \ or corrupt and competition is necessary to get them off their duff.    Also,  charter schools can fire incompetent teachers because they are not unionized.    So far charter schools have been able to get teachers that don't wish to belong to a union.  

 

In much of the South, Southwest and even some others that would mean that the whites who vote will switch funding to Charter schools and abandon the schools where the minorities go.

I don't know about CA, but the South Carolina Constitution requires that the state provide a free public education.  Of course, you could say that charter schools and parochial schools and private schools are public also - but I don't believe it.

But Bernie wants them unionized and once they get to a certain size and level of participation, they will become as unionized as the public schools.  You cannot outlaw unions.  In the South, teachers are not unionized, although they do belong to the NEA which is close to it.  However, they do not have bargaining rights or right to strike and the so called contracts offer them no protections at all.  Except for coaches.

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19 hours ago, TheCid said:

In much of the South, Southwest and even some others that would mean that the whites who vote will switch funding to Charter schools and abandon the schools where the minorities go.

I don't know about CA, but the South Carolina Constitution requires that the state provide a free public education.  Of course, you could say that charter schools and parochial schools and private schools are public also - but I don't believe it.

But Bernie wants them unionized and once they get to a certain size and level of participation, they will become as unionized as the public schools.  You cannot outlaw unions.  In the South, teachers are not unionized, although they do belong to the NEA which is close to it.  However, they do not have bargaining rights or right to strike and the so called contracts offer them no protections at all.  Except for coaches.

Read in The Week magazine where CA has some of the most segregated schools in the nation.

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Sanders lays out his vision for America: finish what Franklin Roosevelt started

The 2020 presidential candidate, who has consistently ranked second in national polls, defended democratic socialism

 

“It is my very strong belief that the United States must reject that path of hatred and divisiveness – and instead find the moral conviction to choose a different path, a higher path, a path of compassion, justice and love,” Sanders said in a defiant, 45-minute speech. “It is the path that I call democratic socialism.” ........

“In the year 2019 the United States and the rest of the world face two very different political paths.” Sanders said. “On one hand, there is a growing movement towards oligarchy and authoritarianism in which a small number of incredibly wealthy and powerful billionaires own and control a significant part of the economy and exert enormous influence over the political life of our country.

“On the other hand, in opposition to oligarchy, there is a movement of working people and young people who, in ever increasing numbers, are fighting for justice.”

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Sanders accused Trump and the Republican party of “hypocrisy” for their attacks on his ideology and quoted King’s observation that the US “has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor”.

“While President Trump and his fellow oligarchs attack us for our support of democratic socialism, they don’t really oppose all forms of socialism,” he said. “They may hate democratic socialism because it benefits working people, but they absolutely love corporate socialism that enriches Trump and other billionaires.”.......

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/12/bernie-sanders-2020-vision-fdr-democratic-socialism

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6 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Sanders lays out his vision for America: finish what Franklin Roosevelt started

The 2020 presidential candidate, who has consistently ranked second in national polls, defended democratic socialism

 

“It is my very strong belief that the United States must reject that path of hatred and divisiveness – and instead find the moral conviction to choose a different path, a higher path, a path of compassion, justice and love,” Sanders said in a defiant, 45-minute speech. “It is the path that I call democratic socialism.” ........

“In the year 2019 the United States and the rest of the world face two very different political paths.” Sanders said. “On one hand, there is a growing movement towards oligarchy and authoritarianism in which a small number of incredibly wealthy and powerful billionaires own and control a significant part of the economy and exert enormous influence over the political life of our country.

“On the other hand, in opposition to oligarchy, there is a movement of working people and young people who, in ever increasing numbers, are fighting for justice.”

....

Sanders accused Trump and the Republican party of “hypocrisy” for their attacks on his ideology and quoted King’s observation that the US “has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor”.

“While President Trump and his fellow oligarchs attack us for our support of democratic socialism, they don’t really oppose all forms of socialism,” he said. “They may hate democratic socialism because it benefits working people, but they absolutely love corporate socialism that enriches Trump and other billionaires.”.......

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/12/bernie-sanders-2020-vision-fdr-democratic-socialism

desperate demagoguery and eventually will be recognized as so.

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Sanders calls for wiping out $1.6 trillion in student debt by taxing Wall Street
 
 
 
bernie comes out swinging ... will he go after biden ... can he recover from the prisoners voting stance ... let the games begin ...
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sanders will screw up in 2020 just like he did in 2016.

he coulda ran against Hillary far more aggressively than he did...but chose not to.

yeah, this guy is a commie loser.

all this bleepwad is good for is waving his arrogant finger at his inferiors.

(anybody who doesn't agree with him)

Image result for bernie sanders pointing

 

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5 minutes ago, NipkowDisc said:

sanders will screw up in 2020 just like he did in 2016.

he coulda ran against Hillary far more aggressively than he did...but chose not to.

yeah, this guy is a commie loser.

all this bleepwad is good for is waving his arrogant finger at his inferiors.

(anybody who doesn't agree with him)

Image result for bernie sanders pointing

 

He is a true representative of the "slave morality." There is no way he will be the candidate this election, especially considering how he was destroyed last time.

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Bernie Sanders faces a new kind of threat in Elizabeth Warren

WASHINGTON - The Bernie Sanders campaign, facing a new challenge in the rise of Elizabeth Warren, has settled for now on a careful if sometimes awkward strategy: emphasizing Sanders's unique position in the liberal movement, while avoiding direct attacks on Warren and rolling out plans that overlap with her attention-grabbing ideas.

STAMFORD ADVOCATE > https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Bernie-Sanders-faces-a-new-kind-of-threat-in-14039192.php

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Analysis: The one candidate on the debate stage this week who can reasonably be presumed to mean what he says...... is Sen. Bernie Sanders

 

Why 2020 Democrats Pretend to Be Radical

You’ll hear fire-breathing promises at the debates, but it’s not the candidates who’ve changed that much.

It’s the party.

 

...... There’s abundant evidence that most of these candidates are projecting themselves as more disruptive, more ambitious, more contemptuous of conventional politics, more liberal, than their previous careers actually suggest....

“Great presidents are unifiers mostly in retrospect,” Schlesinger told me in 1997,.....

“The greatest presidents have started by dividing the country on important questions, as a way of uniting the country at a new level of understanding.”

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/26/2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-227211

 

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:20 PM, mr6666 said:

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Analysis: The one candidate on the debate stage this week who can reasonably be presumed to mean what he says...... is Sen. Bernie Sanders

 

Why 2020 Democrats Pretend to Be Radical

You’ll hear fire-breathing promises at the debates, but it’s not the candidates who’ve changed that much.

It’s the party.

 

...... There’s abundant evidence that most of these candidates are projecting themselves as more disruptive, more ambitious, more contemptuous of conventional politics, more liberal, than their previous careers actually suggest....

“Great presidents are unifiers mostly in retrospect,” Schlesinger told me in 1997,.....

“The greatest presidents have started by dividing the country on important questions, as a way of uniting the country at a new level of understanding.”

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/26/2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-227211

 

That was in 1997 and probably wrong even then.  I read the article, but did not read Schlesinger's book.  This is no longer the country of Lincoln or FDR as far as politics and elections are concerned.  Kennedy won by appealing to a slightly left of center position and did so even as president.  Johnson came into office by virtue of Kennedy's death and was more liberal than any other Dem after FDR.  McGovern, Humphrey, Kerry and Gore were all perceived as being liberal by voters. Carter was moderate.  Clinton won two terms by being moderate.  Obama was far more moderate than most give him credit for.  Primarily though he energized the Dem voters who sat out most elections - and are sitting them out again.  His signature "leftist/progressive" item was ACA and it has failed because it offended so many voters that they elected Republican Congresses and Trump.  Reagan was not that revolutionary as Schlesinger says.  He campaigned on a repudiation of Carter, Carter's failure with the Iranian Hostage crisis, the energy crisis, centrist philosophies, a tax cut and racism.

You can't be a great president if you do not get elected.

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30 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

& why are so many centrist/moderates so fearful of hearing ANY dissenting views within the party?

almost a LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT attitude

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Without debate, without criticism no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive.

 

They (WE) are NOT fearful of hearing dissenting views within the party, but they do recognize that if the dissenting views are extreme (for majority of American voters) and are viewed as the sole position of the party, they are detrimental to the party's ability to get elected and enact any programs.

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Bernie Sanders details plan to support American seniors ahead of Iowa appearance

 

.........."I want Iowans and especially seniors to understand that under our proposal, we expand Social Security benefits in areas that they desperately need," he said.

To pay for an expansion of those Social Security benefits, Sanders supports lifting the payroll tax cap.

Currently, American workers pay a tax on wages up to $132,900 a year, and those taxes fund the Social Security program. That means someone earning millions of dollars a year in wages pays the same amount of money into the program as someone who makes far less, Sanders said. Sanders said the tax should be collected on all income over $250,000.

With that money, Sanders said he would support a benefit increase of $1,300 a year to seniors with incomes of $16,000 a year or less. He also called for increasing benefits paid to low-income workers when they retire and establishing a "Consumer Price Index for the Elderly" to ensure cost-of-living increases that keep pace with the products seniors use most....

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/07/19/bernie-sanders-social-security-medicare-for-all-details-plan-support-american-seniors-joe-biden/1775716001/

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6 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Bernie Sanders details plan to support American seniors ahead of Iowa appearance

Currently, American workers pay a tax on wages up to $132,900 a year, and those taxes fund the Social Security program. That means someone earning millions of dollars a year in wages pays the same amount of money into the program as someone who makes far less, Sanders said. Sanders said the tax should be collected on all income over $250,000.

With that money, Sanders said he would support a benefit increase of $1,300 a year to seniors with incomes of $16,000 a year or less. He also called for increasing benefits paid to low-income workers when they retire and establishing a "Consumer Price Index for the Elderly" to ensure cost-of-living increases that keep pace with the products seniors use most....

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/07/19/bernie-sanders-social-security-medicare-for-all-details-plan-support-american-seniors-joe-biden/1775716001/

I am assuming the post means all income period, not just that over $250,000.

Does he define "wages" and "all income?"  Presently there are a multitude of methods for hiding "wages" as some other type of income.  Much of that other income is also tax exempt, as well as being exempt from Social Security taxes.  Of course, then there is income that is never reported in the first place, but that is a different story.

The maximum Social Security benefit at age 66/67 is $2,861 per month ($34,332 annually). Will Sanders' plan raise the benefit amount on those earning over $132,900/$250,000 commensurate with how much more they pay into the system?

Does the plan mean SSA benefit "income" of $16,000 or less?  What about the person who receives $16,200 per year?  Does he/she get an increase - and right on up the benefits scale?

Improving Social Security is not as simple as many (Sanders included) think it is.  Does his plan address the millions who receive benefits and never paid into the system or paid very, very little?

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6 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Bernie SandersVerified account @BernieSanders 7h7 hours ago

 

Remember: the Walton family makes more money in 1 minute than Walmart workers do in a year.

Trump wants people to think that immigrants are why people are struggling.

 

No. It is the billionaire class that is transferring massive amounts of wealth away from working people.

Here again we get into that problem of what is income.  True the Waltons, Trumps, Besos', et.al. "make" millions very quickly.  But is it income or just value of possessions/investments?

So, Sanders is talking about Warren's "wealth tax" and not an income tax or an a Social Security tax.

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