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1 hour ago, LawrenceA said:

No kidding.

I see that TalkTalk did address the Sanders \ Warren difference when it comes to Medicare-for-All.      What I read is:   Warren says she is for it but also comes up with little "outs",  like maybe allowing private-insurers.     I.e. she is trying to play to the "center" so she can attract a broader group of Dem primary voters.

Frankly I find that more realistic and practical but I can also understand why a Sanders' supporter would view it as shaky.

 

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2 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

I see that TalkTalk did address the Sanders \ Warren difference when it comes to Medicare-for-All.      What I read is:   Warren says she is for it but also comes up with little "outs",  like maybe allowing private-insurers.     I.e. she is trying to play to the "center" so she can attract a broader group of Dem primary voters.

Frankly I find that more realistic and practical but I can also understand why a Sanders' supporter would view it as shaky.

 

It still doesn't explain why he, like Jimmy Dore spends 99 and 44/100% of their time attacking the democrats while leaving Trump totally unscathed and taking Trump's view that the Russian hack of the 2016 election was just a hoax.

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or T's apparent 'sympathy' towards a Sanders nomination????     :blink:

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They are rigging the election again against Bernie Sanders, just like last time, only even more obviously.
They are bringing him out of so important Iowa in order that, as a Senator, he sit through the Impeachment Hoax Trial.
 
Crazy Nancy thereby gives the strong edge to Sleepy..... ..Joe Biden, and Bernie is shut out again. Very unfair, but that’s the way the Democrats play the game. Anyway, it’s a lot of fun to watch!
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1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:

It still doesn't explain why he, like Jimmy Dore spends 99 and 44/100% of their time attacking the democrats while leaving Trump totally unscathed and taking Trump's view that the Russian hack of the 2016 election was just a hoax.

There is NO GOP Primary.    Trump isn't facing anyone AT THIS TIME.  

But the Dems do have a primary and thus there are Dem politicians running against other.    Thus AT THIS TIME it is only logical  and reasonable to discuss democrats.    For a supporter of one Dem candidate to attack the other Dem candidates (just like we are seeing the Dem candidates starting to more aggressively attack each other).     This is also the case with leading Dem politicians like A.O.C. ;    As the primary has heated up,  she,  a Sanders' supporter,  is attacking moderate Dems more so than Trump.    She hasn't said anything about the latest Sanders \ Warren feud and I admit that surprises me.    (because A.O.C. wouldn't support a sexist).

As for "taking Trump's view" on the Russian hack as a hoax;     Granted anyone with that POV is grossly mistaken and misguided,  at best,   but  that doesn't mean they must be e secretly for Trump.     That POV is held by many Sanders' supporters I know.    They don't wish to acknowledge that Russian helped Trump win unless Clinton supporters acknowledge that the DNC helped Clinton beat Sanders in the 2016 Dem primary.   I.e. bitterness makes one cagey.   

 

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On 1/18/2020 at 2:58 PM, Bogie56 said:

Indeed.  Trump loves to play up the 'poor poor mistreated Bernie' card as that will keep his supporters at home when he doesn't win the nomination.  Jimmy Dore does the exact same thing.  He works for the Republicans.

I like Bernie but even I can see through this.

Trump is a "**** stirrer" extraordinaire. 

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9 hours ago, TalkTalk123 said:

Yea, when it comes to war you can count on the Democrats just as much as the Republicans, no need to be right or left their both blood suckers!

The question was about Warren not about war or Clinton. You can't even answer a question properly.

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10 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

There is NO GOP Primary.    Trump isn't facing anyone AT THIS TIME.  

But the Dems do have a primary and thus there are Dem politicians running against other.    Thus AT THIS TIME it is only logical  and reasonable to discuss democrats.    For a supporter of one Dem candidate to attack the other Dem candidates (just like we are seeing the Dem candidates starting to more aggressively attack each other).     This is also the case with leading Dem politicians like A.O.C. ;    As the primary has heated up,  she,  a Sanders' supporter,  is attacking moderate Dems more so than Trump.    She hasn't said anything about the latest Sanders \ Warren feud and I admit that surprises me.    (because A.O.C. wouldn't support a sexist).

As for "taking Trump's view" on the Russian hack as a hoax;     Granted anyone with that POV is grossly mistaken and misguided,  at best,   but  that doesn't mean they must be e secretly for Trump.     That POV is held by many Sanders' supporters I know.    They don't wish to acknowledge that Russian helped Trump win unless Clinton supporters acknowledge that the DNC helped Clinton beat Sanders in the 2016 Dem primary.   I.e. bitterness makes one cagey.   

 

Your points are well taken and not incorrect.  I should add in most circumstances.  In this instance we have been referring to criticism that has been going on since the last election and well before the 2020 primaries.

Regarding your fist point:  This has been Dore's and TT's position since the last presidential election.  It has had nothing to do with 2020.

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14 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

Your points are well taken and not incorrect.  I should add in most circumstances.  In this instance we have been referring to criticism that has been going on since the last election and well before the 2020 primaries.

Regarding your fist point:  This has been Dore's and TT's position since the last presidential election.  It has had nothing to do with 2020.

This was posted by TT in the Trump Whoppers forum but really belongs here.   To me it is relevant to this discussion;   Here is a Dem that is really taking it at Sanders.   Bottom line here these type of comments only hurt the Dems chances to defeat Trump.     Lockhart knows this but it appears ensuring Sanders' isn't the Dem nominee is a larger priority for this Hillary Clinton supporter.

CNN political commentator and former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart took aim at Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Wednesday, claiming, he couldn’t “imagine any woman” believing Sanders’ denial of allegations he told Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) a woman couldn’t be elected.

“I thought that Bernie Sanders probably had the most difficult night because I think the people who matter most care the most about this electability issue and women not being electable,” Lockhart declared. “And I can’t imagine any woman watching last night and saying, ‘I believe Bernie.’ I think people believe Elizabeth, and his explanation was not great.”

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Trump defends Sanders, stoking Democratic divisions

Politics Jan 25, 2020 3:00 PM EST

WASHINGTON — As tensions between Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren rose earlier this month, Sanders found himself with an unusual ally: President Donald Trump.

During a raucous campaign rally in which Trump critiqued some of his Democratic challengers, the president launched into an unprompted defense of Sanders...........

Trump is taking a page out of his own playbook from the election four years ago and betting that the Democratic divisions that helped him win the White House are even deeper now. ......

 

Though Trump and Sanders are at odds on most major issues, they have some striking similarities. Both rose to political prominence without the backing of their parties’ establishment, but now wield significant influence over those parties’ policy positions. Both men have forged visceral connections with lower income voters, in part by pledging to revamp trade policies they say have hurt American workers. ........

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-defends-sanders-stoking-democratic-divisions

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17 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Trump defends Sanders, stoking Democratic divisions

Politics Jan 25, 2020 3:00 PM EST

WASHINGTON — As tensions between Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren rose earlier this month, Sanders found himself with an unusual ally: President Donald Trump.

During a raucous campaign rally in which Trump critiqued some of his Democratic challengers, the president launched into an unprompted defense of Sanders...........

Trump is taking a page out of his own playbook from the election four years ago and betting that the Democratic divisions that helped him win the White House are even deeper now. ......

 

Though Trump and Sanders are at odds on most major issues, they have some striking similarities. Both rose to political prominence without the backing of their parties’ establishment, but now wield significant influence over those parties’ policy positions. Both men have forged visceral connections with lower income voters, in part by pledging to revamp trade policies they say have hurt American workers. ........

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-defends-sanders-stoking-democratic-divisions

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Or is Trump trying to insure he has the weakest opponent?  I'm sure that is part of his thinking.

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2 hours ago, TheCid said:

Or is Trump trying to insure he has the weakest opponent?  I'm sure that is part of his thinking.

Uh,  I assume that isn't just "part of his thinking" but 90% of it.       Trump doesn't want to compete against a women.     He does wish to compete against a progressive. 

While I don't know what Trump's team thinks about the two billionaires,   I assume Trump doesn't wish to compete against them either since with Steyer there is little "history" to attack him on and thus Steyer can change his policy stances at-will during the campaign making it harder to attack him.     Frankly I don't know what a Bloomberg \ Trump contest would look like.

Mayor Pete isn't a progressive.

So that leave Sanders.    

 

 

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Craig Timberg, co-author of this BezosPost hit-piece implying Sanders supporters are Russian assets, is the same hack who promoted the PropOrNot blacklist of US journalists in 2016—so outrageous & vile, even his own editors had to walk it back some https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/01/24/facebook-is-inflaming-divides-tearing-democratic-party/ 

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New campaign ad goes after Sanders by mentioning heart attack

 

.......The ad from Democratic Majority for Israel features six Iowa voters and argues Sanders would be unable to beat President Trump in November, The New York Times reported.

“I like Bernie, I think he has great ideas, but in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Iowa, they’re just not going to vote for a socialist,” a male voter says in the ad, according to the Times. “I just don’t think Bernie can beat Trump.”

Another voter highlights the heart attack that Sanders, 78, suffered while on the campaign trail in Las Vegas at the beginning of October.

“I do have some concerns about Bernie Sanders’s health considering the fact that he did have a heart attack," the person says, according to the newspaper. .......

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/480399-new-campaign-ad-goes-after-sanders-by-mentioning-heart-attack-report

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Trump Is Growing Concerned About Bernie Sanders,

While His Advisers Think the Vermont Senator Will Be Easy to Beat-

"..........Trump, according to operatives in his circle, has expanded his reelection worries from his longtime focus on former Vice President Joe Biden to the new twin threat of Sanders and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who is running for the nomination but has committed to spend at least $1 billion of his fortune to defeat Trump, no matter who is nominated.

Trump’s interest in Bloomberg and his money is described by his advisers as “an obsession,”

but he has also long been concerned that the populism embraced by Sanders, as well as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, would play out in unpredictable ways in a general election........

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/trump-sanders-2020-election/

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I noticed that apparently Bernie Sanders still considers himself an Independent in the US Senate.  Didn't he make a big thing out  of signing official Democratic Party documents stating that he is a Democrat?  If so, why didn't he change his affiliation in the Senate?

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On 2/5/2020 at 5:56 PM, TheCid said:

I noticed that apparently Bernie Sanders still considers himself an Independent in the US Senate.  Didn't he make a big thing out  of signing official Democratic Party documents stating that he is a Democrat?  If so, why didn't he change his affiliation in the Senate?

hypocrisy.

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I'm no big fan of this overwrought aging communist but fair is fair and I'm glad he has declared victory in iowa. he dam well should! now we hear that this schtootz perez wants a recanvass in iowa...why?

because sanders is on top?

he does that sanders oughta declare war on perez and his bleeped up DNC.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iowa-caucuses-sanders-buttigieg-democratic-party_n_5e3c62d4c5b6b70886fc5204

 

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