Bernie Sanders!

[jamesjazzguitar]

1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

 

Couldn't be any easier to vote here in CA;    Mail in voting.    10 days voting period with voting centers that are open-to-all and finally the standard polling places on election day (for those that didn't vote using all of these other methods).

 

[mr6666]

It’s A Great Day For American Democracy

Despite the freakout from TV pundits, the Nevada caucuses are a cause for optimism in dark days.

"......voters overwhelmingly decided to back a candidate whose agenda calls for a transfer of power away from those elites and into the hands of the people.

These are causes for celebration. It has been a dark decade for democracy around the world, and the spectacle of Americans coming together to rebuke the Democratic Party’s aristocratic drift, which has driven so much of the turn to President Donald Trump’s authoritarian populism, is both beautiful and profound.

But you wouldn’t know this from the way establishment pundits, including many ostensible Democrats, reacted to Sanders’ win Saturday evening.

On MSNBC, Chris Matthews literally compared Sanders’ victory to the fall of France to Nazi Germany. MSNBC host Nicole Wallace, a former George W. Bush staffer, described Democratic enthusiasm for Sanders as “political suicide,” and, puzzlingly, said the supporters of the night’s runaway victor constitute only “a squeaky, angry minority.”

This reaction is yet more evidence of the haplessness of the Democratic elite. It has been clear all year that Sanders is the front-runner for the party’s presidential nomination. And after his impressive showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, the moneyed minds of the party scrambled to get behind untested thirty-something ex-Mayor Pete Buttigieg and erstwhile Republican billionaire Michael Bloomberg. On the debate stage earlier this week in Las Vegas, both men did their best to beat up on Sanders, but failed to deliver so much as a scratch. Meanwhile, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) did as she promised she would, torching Bloomberg in a debate performance for the ages.......

There were three attacks launched against Sanders during Wednesday’s debate. First, Bloomberg suggested Sanders was a capital-C Communist. Second, Bloomberg criticized him for owning three houses. Third, nearly everyone on stage, including Warren, directed at him an inexplicable question: What about your bros?

None of these attacks work. They didn’t work four years ago, and they didn’t work in Nevada. Any campaign advisers who suggested using them should be discharged for political malpractice.

Let’s go through them one by one:..........

In short, the Democratic Party establishment is failing to derail its progressive insurgents because the Democratic Party establishment does not understand its rank and file. So much the better for American democracy."

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nevada-caucuses-bernie-sanders-american-democracy_n_5e51c43fc5b629695f5b7439?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067&__twitter_impression=true

[hamradio]

Re: From Bernie Sanders...

Sen. Bernie Sanders: "I believe that in the United States of America, we should have the highest voter turnout of any major country on earth, not the lowest voter turnout. I believe that we should make it easier to participate in the political process, not harder."

 

Question, did he meant the lowest voter turnout now or the past election?  

[hamradio]

1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

It’s A Great Day For American Democracy

Despite the freakout from TV pundits, the Nevada caucuses are a cause for optimism in dark days.

"......voters overwhelmingly decided to back a candidate whose agenda calls for a transfer of power away from those elites and into the hands of the people.

These are causes for celebration. It has been a dark decade for democracy around the world, and the spectacle of Americans coming together to rebuke the Democratic Party’s aristocratic drift, which has driven so much of the turn to President Donald Trump’s authoritarian populism, is both beautiful and profound.

But you wouldn’t know this from the way establishment pundits, including many ostensible Democrats, reacted to Sanders’ win Saturday evening.

On MSNBC, Chris Matthews literally compared Sanders’ victory to the fall of France to Nazi Germany. MSNBC host Nicole Wallace, a former George W. Bush staffer, described Democratic enthusiasm for Sanders as “political suicide,” and, puzzlingly, said the supporters of the night’s runaway victor constitute only “a squeaky, angry minority.”

This reaction is yet more evidence of the haplessness of the Democratic elite. It has been clear all year that Sanders is the front-runner for the party’s presidential nomination. And after his impressive showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, the moneyed minds of the party scrambled to get behind untested thirty-something ex-Mayor Pete Buttigieg and erstwhile Republican billionaire Michael Bloomberg. On the debate stage earlier this week in Las Vegas, both men did their best to beat up on Sanders, but failed to deliver so much as a scratch. Meanwhile, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) did as she promised she would, torching Bloomberg in a debate performance for the ages.......

There were three attacks launched against Sanders during Wednesday’s debate. First, Bloomberg suggested Sanders was a capital-C Communist. Second, Bloomberg criticized him for owning three houses. Third, nearly everyone on stage, including Warren, directed at him an inexplicable question: What about your bros?

None of these attacks work. They didn’t work four years ago, and they didn’t work in Nevada. Any campaign advisers who suggested using them should be discharged for political malpractice.

Let’s go through them one by one:..........

In short, the Democratic Party establishment is failing to derail its progressive insurgents because the Democratic Party establishment does not understand its rank and file. So much the better for American democracy."

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nevada-caucuses-bernie-sanders-american-democracy_n_5e51c43fc5b629695f5b7439?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067&__twitter_impression=true

 

Seems to be accurate this time.

[Bogie56]

Whomever becomes the nominee then the democrats better get behind him or her if they wish to survive.  The GOP got behind Trump for the sake of winning.   Take this advice ...

TURGIDSON
The duty officer asked General Ripper to
confirm the fact the he had issued the go
code and he said, "Yes gentlemen, they are
on their way in and no one can bring them
back. For the sake of our country and our
way of life, I suggest you get the rest of
SAC in after them, otherwise we will be
totally destroyed by red retaliation. My
boys will give you the best kind of start,
fourteen hundred megatons worth, and you
sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's
get going. There's no other choice. God
willing, we will prevail in
peace and freedom from fear and in true
health through the purity and essence of
our natural fluids. God bless you all."
Then he hung up. We're still trying to
figure out the meaning of that last
phrase, sir.

            MUFFLEY
There's nothing to figure out General
Turgidson. This man is obviously a
psychotic.

[ElCid]

7 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

Whomever becomes the nominee then the democrats better get behind him or her if they wish to survive.  The GOP got behind Trump for the sake of winning.   Take this advice ...

TURGIDSON
The duty officer asked General Ripper to
confirm the fact the he had issued the go
code and he said, "Yes gentlemen, they are
on their way in and no one can bring them
back. For the sake of our country and our
way of life, I suggest you get the rest of
SAC in after them, otherwise we will be
totally destroyed by red retaliation. My
boys will give you the best kind of start,
fourteen hundred megatons worth, and you
sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's
get going. There's no other choice. God
willing, we will prevail in
peace and freedom from fear and in true
health through the purity and essence of
our natural fluids. God bless you all."
Then he hung up. We're still trying to
figure out the meaning of that last
phrase, sir.

            MUFFLEY
There's nothing to figure out General
Turgidson. This man is obviously a
psychotic.

"There's nothing to figure out General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic."  A reference to Sanders?  I agree with it.

[Bogie56]

Hey, all you Sanders haters ... are you afraid you might be dragged kicking and screaming into becoming a country that resembles Canada?   Free health care?  Not as many guns?

We may be a slightly poorer country but we still manage to have the exchanging of the socks each Christmas.

[jamesjazzguitar]

51 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

Hey, all you Sanders haters ... are you afraid you might be dragged kicking and screaming into becoming a country that resembles Canada?   Free health care?  Not as many guns?

We may be a slightly poorer country but we still manage to have the exchanging of the socks each Christmas.

There is little to be afraid of since Sanders wouldn't be able to implement the vast majority of his plans \ ideas.    

If Sanders wins the most interesting discussion in D.C. will be over the budget;  am item that must get done.     Sanders would likely veto any compromise budget put forth by Congress,  with Congress not having enough solidarity to override said veto.     The government shut-down could end up being the longest one in US history.

 

[Bogie56]

3 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

There is little to be afraid of since Sanders wouldn't be able to implement the vast majority of his plans \ ideas.    

If Sanders wins the most interesting discussion in D.C. will be over the budget;  am item that must get done.     Sanders would likely veto any compromise budget put forth by Congress,  with Congress not having enough solidarity to override said veto.     The government shut-down could end up being the longest one in US history.

 

Oh, come on.  Sanders can raise the money by selling Trump's wall for scrap.  

[jamesjazzguitar]

Just now, Bogie56 said:

Oh, come on.  Sanders can raise the money by selling Trump's wall for scrap.  

But seriously a Sanders Presidency could end up being very similar to Trump's in that both men are outsiders and vastly disliked within their own so-called party.

With Trump the vast majority of GOP pols in D.C.  decided to cave and support Trump on most items.   

The D.C.  Dem establishment will have to make a similar decision with Sanders.         Today's L.A. Times;   Sanders -  Latino voters love Sanders,   politicians don't. 

[Bogie56]

6 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

But seriously a Sanders Presidency could end up being very similar to Trump's in that both men are outsiders and vastly disliked within their own so-called party.

With Trump the vast majority of GOP pols in D.C.  decided to cave and support Trump on most items.   

The D.C.  Dem establishment will have to make a similar decision with Sanders.         Today's L.A. Times;   Sanders -  Latino voters love Sanders,   politicians don't. 

The democrats doing the Sunday shows are starting to feel the Burn.  They don't dislike his policies (not unlike what we have in Canada and Europe) and acknowledge that he is bringing excitement and voters to the party.  You've got to remember that a lot of the criticism against Sanders is just BS propaganda.  His ideas are hardly new.  The rest of the world looks on and scratches its head.

Hey, I think his time was in 2016 but the party did not get behind him.  I think Warren would make a much better President.  I can see her on the world stage.  There are lots of good candidates.  Klobachar and Buttigieg are good but stand no chance against Trump IMO.  

I didn't post the Strangelove dialogue by accident.  And I left in Muffley's response about Ripper being psychotic.  Democrats have to get behind the candidate whoever he or she is and whatever they felt about them before has to be tossed aside.  Trump is a national threat.

[Sukhov]

1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:

Hey, all you Sanders haters ... are you afraid you might be dragged kicking and screaming into becoming a country that resembles Canada?   Free health care?  Not as many guns?

We may be a slightly poorer country but we still manage to have the exchanging of the socks each Christmas.

To a significant of (uneducated) voters, Sanders may as well be Pol Pot. This insane article is how many of the voters view Sanders.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democratic-socialist-hes-an-all-out-marxist

Much of the population also don't necessarily support all of his policies such as gun control or whatever else that would cause them to vote for the GOP. Someone like Bloomberg or even Warren would appeal to self described moderates or right wing voters or whoever else is susceptible to voting Dem next election.

[hamradio]

1 hour ago, Bogie56 said:

Hey, all you Sanders haters ... are you afraid you might be dragged kicking and screaming into becoming a country that resembles Canada?   Free health care?  Not as many guns?

We may be a slightly poorer country but we still manage to have the exchanging of the socks each Christmas.

This becoming a 3rd world type of country is what many leftist / globalist dreams of!  Shut everything down and send all but burger flipping jobs overseas.  

Calling people "right wing nutjobs" for calling this out doesn't work, see through that psychology!

[hamradio]

10 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

To a significant of (uneducated) voters, Sanders may as well be Pol Pot. This insane article is how many of the voters view Sanders.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democratic-socialist-hes-an-all-out-marxist

Much of the population also don't necessarily support all of his policies such as gun control or whatever else that would cause them to vote for the GOP. Someone like Bloomberg or even Warren would appeal to self described moderates or right wing voters or whoever else is susceptible to voting Dem next election.

Sanders is far from being a type of Pol Pot, LOL!  Sanders won't come to the point of how exactly he's going to come up with the trillions to pay for his objectives.  Doubt anyone will bring up infrastructure to him which is overdue for an overhaul.  National debt, well dealing with that has long since past for any future president.  

But if he could by magic come up with such funding then paying off the debt can be within reach. 

[Bogie56]

19 minutes ago, hamradio said:

This becoming a 3rd world type of country is what many leftist / globalist dreams of!  Shut everything down and send all but burger flipping jobs overseas.  

Calling people "right wing nutjobs" for calling this out doesn't work, see through that psychology!

Sanders is hardly a globalist so you should have no problem voting for him.

And why on earth would any American liberal want to 'shut everything down.'  Anyone who believes that is a serious nut job.

[Vautrin]

I get the feeling that some of these candidates are trying to extract our precious bodily fluids

for their own diabolical  purposes. 

 

[hamradio]

7 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I get the feeling that some of these candidates are trying to extract our precious bodily fluids

for their own diabolical  purposes. 

 

That's why some like Bernie. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-outshines-vampire-weekend-at-iowa-concert

 

[Princess of Tap]

3 hours ago, hamradio said:

Sanders is far from being a type of Pol Pot, LOL!  Sanders won't come to the point of how exactly he's going to come up with the trillions to pay for his objectives.

 

* Doubt anyone will bring up infrastructure to him which is overdue for an overhaul.  National debt, well dealing with that has long since past for any future president*.

 

 

 

But if he could by magic come up with such funding then paying off the debt can be within reach. 

 

Infrastructure, national debt--

Your president has control of the executive branch and the Senate, yet he's done nothing about these two issues-- I should say he's extending the national debt ridiculously with with tax Kickbacks to the 1%.

You need to look at what's going on right now. trump spends all his time trying to consolidate his power, cover up his crimes, and get help from foreign countries for re-election.

He's president now, what is he doing for the American people?

[hamradio]

22 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

Infrastructure, national debt--

Your president has control of the executive branch and the Senate, yet he's done nothing about these two issues-- I should say he's extending the national debt ridiculously with with tax Kickbacks to the 1%.

You need to look at what's going on right now. trump spends all his time trying to consolidate his power, cover up his crimes, and get help from foreign countries for re-election.

He's president now, what is he doing for the American people?

Trump signed the Water Infrastructure Bill - 6.8 billion Oct 2018

https://www.c-span.org/video/?453538-1/president-trump-signs-water-infrastructure-bill

 

$147 Billion Infrastructure Bill - Sept 2018

https://www.constructionequipment.com/trump-signs-147-billion-infrastructure-bill

 

It's a start but a LOT more is needed. 

House  started on the $1 trillion infrastructure bill back on December.  Unknown how it's progressing.

[Princess of Tap]

7 minutes ago, hamradio said:

Trump signed the Water Infrastructure Bill - 6.8 billion Oct 2018

https://www.c-span.org/video/?453538-1/president-trump-signs-water-infrastructure-bill

 

$147 Billion Infrastructure Bill - Sept 2018

https://www.constructionequipment.com/trump-signs-147-billion-infrastructure-bill

 

It's a start but a LOT more is needed. 

House  started on the $1 trillion infrastructure bill back on December.  Unknown how it's progressing.

 The only thing that jerk is doing  in infrastructure is building a bogus wall, which is strictly for political purposes.

And why he has ballooned the debt way out a control has to do with his pampering the 1% with that tax break.

The philosophy of America is that everybody pays their own share.

trump won't show us his income tax because he doesn't pay his fair share.

And he doesn't want any of his 1% billionaire friends and their "human" corporations to pay their fair share either.

[ElCid]

16 hours ago, hamradio said:

Trump signed the Water Infrastructure Bill - 6.8 billion Oct 2018

https://www.c-span.org/video/?453538-1/president-trump-signs-water-infrastructure-bill

 

$147 Billion Infrastructure Bill - Sept 2018

https://www.constructionequipment.com/trump-signs-147-billion-infrastructure-bill

 

It's a start but a LOT more is needed. 

House  started on the $1 trillion infrastructure bill back on December.  Unknown how it's progressing.

The bottom line is that Trump has not done anything on infrastructure.  He has signed a few bills that the House and Senate passed, but he has not used his office to advance anything.  He may tweet about something or talk, but not really putting any effort into it.

Most bills are bottled up in House committees and there are a lot of them.  Not sure if anything is happening in McConnell's Senate and he may very well stifle anything that comes out of the House.

[hamradio]

Under $200 billion = nothing.  Learn something everyday. 

[NipkowDisc]

the gorgeous Elizabeth Montgomery.

[ElCid]

5 hours ago, hamradio said:

Under $200 billion = nothing.  Learn something everyday. 

Trump did NOT do it. Congress in a rare bilateral action passed the bills and Trump had to sign them.

[jamesjazzguitar]

1 hour ago, TheCid said:

Trump did NOT do it. Congress in a rare bilateral action passed the bills and Trump had to sign them.

It is sad so many misunderstand the powers of a U.S. President  (which in many cases are limited).

To me the main time a U.S. President does something related to domestic policy is when they VETO a bill.    ("does something" being in regards of changing the course and \ or direction a policy is taking).

Signing a bill pass by Congress is NOT changing the course and \ or direction of a policy.